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This summarises things nicely. Something we don't have, and as SM says towards the end of the post, is that what I (or you) personally believe would sell is purely based on our own preferences rather than any particular knowledge of the market. Covkid's suggestions on what he thinks should be in the range would put me off completely, whilst my personal choices would no doubt be a turn-off for him! They will make what sells, though one other thing that will come into the equation is the number of liveries the loco will have carried, another selling point as it allows more options at a cheaper price than a completely new loco. Look at Bachmann's 009 offerings as an example.

That's exactly my take on it as well, having modelled for several years in 1:120 and having made N scale buildings before that, there is certainly more presence in TT than in N and it's much less fiddly as well.

Blimey, that's cheap!! I sold my 2200SC for £3.5k a couple of years ago and thought that was cheap!

If anyone is interested the Arnold site currently has a Kof at £87.19.

There is, and he knows that, look at the catalogue at the next two phases, lots of modern stuff!! 🤣

I think some of you should offer your services to Hornby as its clear that you think you know more about what will sell when starting a brand new scale than they do... 😉

As I said the choices in the early phases appeal to all ages and both old(e) and modern so I'm not sure where you are coming from. Have you looked at their catalogue? The two steam sets are just to get things moving, which is what they've done. Future stock that they've announced will appeal to a wide audience as well, and has plenty of modern image. To get a new scale up and running it would seem to have a good selection that will appeal across the board.

They've already said they will.

"Ye olde steam locos" like A4s and A1/3s appeal to all ages, hence Hornby focussing on them to get the scale up and running... Very logical business decision.

I think its worth differentiating here, TT itself certainly isn't a flawed concept, but I do believe TT3 was, a compromise too far perhaps? To be fair, Roy did say "TT3" and not "TT", which are two different scales.

The question has been asked and answered several times on both this and the Peco TT thread! There are many answers as well! You hit the nail on the head in the previous paragraph, TT3 was indeed a flawed concept (poor scale/gauge ratio), and N came along at just the wrong time for it, the two combined did for it. Have times changed enough? Only time will tell, as many of us have said when others before you have posed this question. In many ways TT is the ideal scale, small enough to have an advantage over 00/H0 when building a layout in confined spaces (or the opposite of a large layout with lots of scenery) and nowhere near as fiddly as N and allows more detail, if that's what you want. The signs are there that it could end up as a successful scale, it has a big advantage over 00 and N in that you can run scale models of British and Continental prototypes on the same layout and they'll both will be the same scale, something that has not been possible before in the UK, but we don't know what will happen, and nor do you, it's all speculation! As someone previously said, come back in 10 years and then we'll know!

Two of mine do scrape and the other doesn't, however that's loosely laid track on the floor, Mittenburg is currently on the bench getting final tweaks for Narrow Gauge North in March, but as soon as that's cleared off the Grainge and Hodder boards will be bolted together and some proper testing and track laying will commence, so further news in due course! I suspect that's where they are coming from... Tillig, and before them, BTTB and Zeuke used exactly that to sell TT against H0 in their adverts from the 60s and 70s.

No one is asking them to stop, we're talking about TT120, not 00, and the general view seems to be that they'd be an added extra cost with no real benefits! No doubt the few who do want/need them will find a way!

Certainly not what they are for in Real Life! ;)

As Jeff said it's a balance, personally I wouldn't want them, too easily damaged. They'd also add to the overall cost. The moulded ones on my Easterner set look good enough, even close up. I suspect we are getting into rivet counting areas now and I don't see most TT120 modellers so far as being that type, they are willing to accept compromises to get stuff at a reasonable cost as long as it looks OK.

I don't think they were, but 8fs were and used widely in the UK. SK said that an 8f would be a possible in the future when I asked him.

I can't see there being any visible difference at all, until they are pushed together, but I don't know of any of the well known commercial couplers that allow that?

I do wonder if there's all that much difference in manufacturing costs, perhaps a little, like N, but not a substantial amount?

I agree, Les, for the vast majority of modellers sprung buffers are a waste of time and money, they are a gimmick along the lines of "Oh, look, my loco has sprung buffers!". And they add to the cost of the loco...

I've no issue at all with constructive criticism, we've had a fair bit on here and it's in general been helpful. But that video wasn't constructive criticism, it was a hatchet job. We had enough of that earlier in the thread, I hoped we'd have moved on, but it seems that for some we have not.

My H0e/m stock is about the same size as the TT so it works ok. Hadn't even thought of any DCC issues as I don't run it, but won't lend it out to any DCC layouts!

Many years ago I made this for uncoupling H0e/009 couplings, it works equally well on Tillig/Hornby TT ones as well. Length of copper clad sleeper and a bit of bent brass soldered on the end.

To add to the last post i was quite impressed with the Hornby points as well, they certainly don't look particularly "train set" in appearance. I was going to go for Peco track out front and Hornby in the fiddle yard, but after looking at the points I may keep to Hornby out front and just use the Peco flexi track as their points are half the price of Peco and I can live with the dead frog.

My Easterner arrived this morning, I'm about to go to work so won't have time to set it up, but I did run it up and down a length of Peco H0m track using a Gaugemaster D controller and it ran very smoothly and quietly in both directions...

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