KR Models

10 hours ago, Colin_McLeod said:

What makes you say that? We have people asking due diligence questions before parting with money and not getting satisfaction with the answers.

So what benefit would be my home address be?  Can I have yours?

18 minutes ago, AY Mod said:

 

I know what you have said about PO Boxes Keith but in the UK, in a commercial sense, it is a means of masking a physical address where callers are not accepted or welcome.

 

I am trying to help here.

I know Andy.  The issue is my business license is registered to that address and I can't advertise a different address or I would be in breach of my license which carries a hefty fine. 

13 minutes ago, AY Mod said:

 

Whilst you are correct about registered addresses not necessarily being the same as a trading address there is currently a lot of concern about transparency, ethics and trust at the present time here after the collapse of DJM. It's your call of course but more openness and transparency would not do you any harm and potentially secure more customers.

 

5 minutes ago, AY Mod said:

 

Whilst you are correct about registered addresses not necessarily being the same as a trading address there is currently a lot of concern about transparency, ethics and trust at the present time here after the collapse of DJM. It's your call of course but more openness and transparency would not do you any harm and potentially secure more customers.

 

My address and phone number are both listed on the website, yet some are still not happy with this.

4 minutes ago, Ian Hargrave said:

 

 

In the light of the very recent DJM collapse raising concerns now is surely understandable and prudent ?

As with any business large or small.  Prudence is one thing, but out an out personal unfounded, ignorant comments from some contributors is another.  I have been open and honest as I can be, I don't see everyone on here even leaving their real names.

44 minutes ago, RLWP said:

You must have the patience of a saint, Keith. Are you expecting to see any orders from the critics on this thread?

 

Richard

Hi Richard,

I have to be very refrained about saying what I really want to will all those who criticize me for at least coming forward with such a bold venture but hey it's a learning curve.  If they don't want to order that's fine, but no need to be so invasive and blunt with the criticism and hide behind a blank profile.  Even the issue with PO Box use, that's standard practice here.  If I was a limited company in the UK, there would only be an address that my company would be registered at, that could be my accountants for all any would know, it doesn't have to be my home address. 

3 hours ago, dpgibbons said:

 

If you are invoicing out of Canada, as you appear to be, then your customers are not protected by their local trading laws and would have to seek redress in Canada. If you are invoicing out of the UK then a PO Box address will not suffice, and you are also required to give the buyer clear information regarding returns and cancellation policies, as well as delivery costs and arrangements.   

 

Both returns and cancellation policies are listed on the website, delivery costs have yet to be confirmed for all areas, but if you are a common user of buying online, then you'll have a rough idea of cost.

3 hours ago, chris p bacon said:

 

The website is  .co.uk which would imply to many purchasers that it is a UK based company, the law as it stands here is that a full address is required.

And you have our full address on the website

4 hours ago, Colin_McLeod said:

So is the company based in Canada and do you have a street address that is not a PO number?

 

Will a contract to purchase/ crowdfund this model be subject to UK law or Canadian law?

PO Boxes are commonplace here, because of community mailboxes.  We are subject to retail trading laws in whichever country we sell products in.

31 minutes ago, Colin_McLeod said:

KR Models,  I asked about shipping, customs and VAT because your web site gives the following address and phone numbers  which are in Canada,  not in the EU.

 

 +1 780 863 2330

F: +1 587 540 5875

PO BOX 23124 RPO CITADEL,

St Albert, AB, T8N 6Z9

Canada

 

As I've stated before, all distribution will be sent from the UK.  Non-UK customers will be responsible for their own customs charges. 

48 minutes ago, polybear said:

 

2. Plus the Royal Mail Fee (currently £8) for collecting the VAT

 

 

The VAT is charged at source, import duty is down to you.

1 hour ago, truffy said:

Hi Keith

does this mean that the subscription list won’t be closed before manufacturing commenced?

i did look on the website but if the answer’s there I’m afraid I missed it 

Almost, We have to wait until all the figures in, so at some point, we have to stop taking orders to collate those figures.  

5 hours ago, Ryde-on-time said:

It's easy to have a cheap dig at DJmodels but perhaps you should consider the facts

 

DJmodels started with the intention of making one model, the Austerity, which would then go on to fund a small number of other models . His initial plans for his range were modest, supplemented with commission work. Dave was already well known within the hobby but he did not start with crowd funding, his initial plans were self financed.

 

You, however, are unkown within the hoddy, are secretive about many thngs, and don't seem to want to put a penny of your own money at risk with the GT3 (unlike Cavalex for example who reach the point where they are ready to start tooling before asking for money)

It wasn't a cheap dig, it was a fact that we won't be bringing out too many products at once.

2 hours ago, Colin_McLeod said:

 I am interested in purchasing an OO version without sound but would need to know the following before purchasing,

 

1, Shipping costs to Ireland

2, VAT payable on importing

3, Photographs of the finished model including the chassis with the body removed so that I can see what type of chassis I would be buying.

4, Full postal address of KR Models registered office for any correspondence that might arise.

 

Can KR Models advise please?

Hi Colin,

1. According to Royal Mail £15.15

2. As an EU country, you will pay VAT

3. These will be available during the manufacturing process.

4. It's on the website.

14 hours ago, nightstar.train said:

Thanks for the reply Keith.  I remember having a chat with you last year at Warley, so if you have EP samples available this year I think that’s pretty good going. From pie in the sky to production ready in a year. 

 

When will the order book stay open until? I would imagine showing off the EPs will bring in a few people. Quite understand about not having stock. Even at cost price to yourself having 50 in stock is still many thousands of pounds (or loonies). 

We have to look at every aspect of the project as it proceeds.  Some details become available to use quicker than others.  We have had tremendous support for the project and pre-sales have confirmed that we have done it right.  Regardless of a few contributors on here.

8 hours ago, nightstar.train said:

@KR Models Where is the project at the moment. Have you got final CADs? 3D test prints? I’m very very tempted to buy one, DCC sound probably, but after the recent DJ Models debacle I’m a rather wary of crowdfunding. 

Thanks

the final CAD drawings will be available this week, and tooling starts July.  The EP samples should be out September, which will be on display at Warley this year.  We are not as ambitious as DJ Models, and we want to grow slowly, bringing out about two projects a year.

We will be building a few extra to cover any warrenty issues, but that's it.  We won't be holding stock on the off chance that they get sold.  Having capital tied up in unsold stock is not a prudent step at this stage of the companies life.  If after the release we get a flood of orders or interest, then we can make a 2nd run.  

13 hours ago, rorz101uk said:

Just paid my second instalment! When the next up date likely to be? 

If you ordered the sound version the next installment will be August, and the DCC ready version November.  

This question extra bodyshells seams to have raised some peoples blood pressure.  The warranty will work if you have a damaged body shell, then we will collect it and fully replace it.  Because as a rule something else may be damaged and just exchanging the body may not solve all the issues.  The big manufacturers produce extra because they can and it helps with in-shop quality control.  We will have parts and spares for warranty purposes.  

14 hours ago, Hilux5972 said:

That’s not exactly true. I much prefer to buy rtr than kits, no matter how good the kits. I can build wagon kits, a basic coach kit maybe, but locos are far beyond my skill. I suspect many people may well be the same. 

The resin kit is what drove me to do an RTR version.  Even the kit instructions say that the chassis is not strictly correct and needs some heavy modification.  

3 hours ago, Stanley Melrose said:

I think Mike may be wondering if he will be able to obtain just the bodies of the loco and tender to mate with the HighLevel chassis so he can build his model to P4 (or perhaps) EM standards.  Those who model to the wider gauges (especially P4) usually find that the 00 chassis is surplus as adding springing/compensation to improve running and current collection and replacing the wheels in the 00 chassis is not possible,

 

Stan

Hi Stan,

The resin kit is still available if he wants to use that for kit building.  

4 hours ago, Enterprisingwestern said:

 

A bit of an off the wall question, but will there be any surplus/spare bodyshells available for those of us awkward sods who would like to go down alternative paths?

It's just that being a Yorkshireman I don't fancy chucking a complete set of mechanical underpinnings away!

 

http://www.highlevelkits.co.uk/gt3page.html

 

Mike.

We will be carrying some spares but not many.  If your loco is defective then yes we will swap it right away.  We'll be mostly carrying sound decoders and motors, and some chassis.

19 hours ago, truffy said:

ISTR that Silverfox has an oil drum kit in resin. I suppose you could argue that that’s moulded rather than cast, in which case fair dos; or that it’s a kit rather than complete model, in which case fair dos to a lesser extent. 

 

But I stand by my question and thank you for your, albeit discourteous, reply. 

Hi Nigel,

It is a cast metal chassis to give it weight and traction.

On 07/06/2019 at 07:01, Littlethorpe said:

https://krmodels.co.uk/products.html

 

It works fine for me.  Refresh your screen and try again.  If you're using a computer press F5

6 hours ago, Colin_McLeod said:

Is the 00 model still open for new orders?

Until we give the factory the final number the order line is still open.  The first payment will be a combined deposit and 2nd payment to bring you inline with existing customers.

9 hours ago, MGR Hooper! said:

Excellent! I'll keep a close eye.

 

Is there any chance of updating your website or this thread with the number of orders? Or atleast a percentage of it? So we'll know how far along we're getting with it?

The N Gauge has only 22% of where we need to be secure enough to proceed.