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14 minutes ago, chris p bacon said:

 

Although you've failed to mention your 're-stocking fee' should you provide a faulty product.  

For a faulty product, it would be a full replacement, not a repair.  However, if you change your mind and no longer want one, we would issue a full refund less the restocking fee.  But seeing as you don't want one ???

 

 

 

 

8 minutes ago, truffy said:

But you still haven't addressed the question as to why you're not using a tried-and-tested 4-6-0 mechanism for a 4-6-0 locomotive.

 

I'm curious only because it seems a more logical and stress-free approach (from a very much potential customer).

The gearbox I posted a while took such criticism that we altered it, from a tried and tested model.  So we're having two versions of the gearbox built which we intend to exhaustively test to see which performs the best.  Tried and tested may be ok, but can we improve on it.  Things like less stress in the corners, less wear and tear in the long run.  I want the model to outlast me, the clock is ticking down.  

On 14/10/2019 at 10:34, cctransuk said:

 

I think that he will tell you - in no uncertain terms - that he has covered this earlier in the thread!

 

Regards,

John Isherwood.

Thanks John yes I did.  

On 13/10/2019 at 21:19, Darius43 said:

 

Based on your eloquent posting history on this thread it strikes me that you and KR have been trolling each other in equal measure.  Nevertheless I’m sure that the loss of your custom will be devastating.

 

Darius

My whole profit margin is riding on his purchase.  I wait with bated breath.

18 minutes ago, cctransuk said:

 

I too would comment that the test print looks good - though it's not to easy to make a reasoned judgment on this view.

 

We could make more helpful comments if you could perhaps provide square-on, side and front elevations.

 

Regards,

John Isherwood.

Once we have the full EP samples in, it will be easier to highlight all the issues in one go.  They rushed it out so that we'd have something to show for the GETS show this weekend.

With all the mass complaining about which gearing we are going to use, we're having two examples to test to make sure we provide the best possible.  We DO want to get this right.

The order book closes on Nov 30th.  

Yes, we have the first test prints.  We've spotted a few errors already, but they are quick fixes, nothing too bad.  

And before anyone gets on their soapbox, we ARE still on schedule.  

I'm posting this as a courtesy, I don't have to do this.  Anyone who wants a GT3 has ordered via the website.  That's all the acknowledgment I need that we are bringing the right product to the market.

On 29/08/2019 at 03:07, phil gollin said:

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Now !   Is this the actual "announcement" - or is that still to come ?  

 

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September 5th, at 9am, ish.

On 29/08/2019 at 01:42, Enterprisingwestern said:

 

Presumably you will have a few dishes of humble pie on offer?

 

Mike.

I've ordered a food truck Mike.

6 hours ago, gary_lner said:

Very interesting pictures it's starting to take shape now. Thank you for sharing them here Keith. Can't wait to see what you bring with you to the great electric train show in October for this project and the soon to be announced project.

 

Regards Gary 

Thanks Gary,

We will have the first EP samples at the show.  Very much looking for to seeing the reality of all the hard work come to fruition.  

As there appear to be far too many 'experts' who clearly know everything about everything.  I'm not going to be taking part in this thread.  I didn't start, I didn' ask for it, and I won't be using it.  Nothing can be achieved by trying to defend my actions or credibility here, only a very few have something positive to offer.   No matter what I do, I cannot pacify the main (who don't want to be wrong), Objectors. 

Enjoy your modeling.  

2 hours ago, GWR-fan said:

Keith,

          I daresay that you and David Jones have similar abrasive personalities.  A response from you regarding what you would really like to say to your critics is indicative of some one who has a short temper.  Right from the start you offered relatively poorly detailed CAD's plus a basic website using a low cost domain server.  You refused to reveal any of your past manufacturing history and only when researched by others you claimed Scalecast as a previous company although a search on Google shows the Canadian website blog has had no activity for nearly two years.  Do you still retain ownership in the company or was it sold or failed?   I am not asking personal questions only those related to your business experience as recent events have cast a shroud on your funding method.

 

You refuse to provide a mail address other than a P.O. box and ask others to provide their home addresses and yet it is you wanting the money from these people, not the other way round.   Only now after the collapse of DJM do you start responding to questions critical of your project as no doubt you do not want to detract potential fence sitters who have not made up their minds as to funding the project.

 

A question was asked at Warley from memory apparently back at the initial launch about the potential success of the project and your apparent offhand response was if you do not succeed then you will not have a model GT3 to run on your railway (railroad?).  I feel this a rather naive response as the project is not about you but the hundreds of crowd funders who will be financing your dream.

 

As yet you have provided a basic CAD (apparently a more detailed CAD and tooling to follow), a basic website,  a Canadian P.O. box address, little to no information on your previous business experience, claimed annonymity and yet you want several hundred crowd funders to take you on your word and face value.  You state that the shipment will go to a U.K. address to be distributed and posted worldwide.  As yet you do not state the location of that place nor the manner in which the goods will be handled.  Will you travel to the UK at the time and personally, singlehandedly manage and handle the posting of these models.  A recent debacle with Locomotion showed how an undermanned handling/distribution method resulted in numerous packages being sent to wrong addresses or multiple items sent when only a single purchase was made. This is a project no doubt exceeding 100,00 pounds in value and yet you offer just the basic details and seem to believe that you are doing the customer a favour by offering the locomotive RTR.

 

I previously suggested that you need to be more open with both your funders and your critics as you need to instill confidence in your public.  The GT3 is your first model and you have hinted that there may well be more projects in the future.  Critics may not necessarily want a GT3 but there may be future projects that may appeal to them.  Your somewhat abrasive personality under fire will not build confidence with your critics and hints that you and David Jones have a lot in common as regards personality. You have not responded to previous posts from me so I do not anticipate an answer to my posting.

 

When David Jones came under fire, he retaliated personally or used his support base to counter critics as merely trolls, eventually taking all information inhouse on his website and restricting distribution of information to only funders of his projects.  I do see the day and perhaps quite soon (once you are fully funded) that you will stop posting on RMweb and will provide information only on you website.  Of cause,  this will not be inexpensive as you will not get the free publicity that you do on this site and will need a webmaster to set up your site to provide information other than the very basic site that you now have.

 

Initially you were somewhat helpful to responses on this thread as you needed to build up your funder base but as the critics started questioning the details and the logistics of the project you became very defensive and to my mind abusive or simply ignored questions from those who were not funders of the project.  I understand that you have invested personally in the project with your money and your time and want the project to succeed,  however, the entrepreneur (showmanship) side of you seemingly ignores the fact that people are handing over large sums of money and want confidence and reassurance, not abusive responses.  You really need to bite your tongue when answering your critics as it is you wanting the funding not the other way around.

 

I really do wish you success with this and future projects, however, you really need to understand that your funding method requires a degree of professionalism, frankness and openness from you and not the negative rather childish responses you have provided to your critics.  You may have noticed that your continued reluctance to provide other than basic information has increased the number of critics in this thread.  When you are selling vapourware you need to build confidence in your customer as he needs proof of something tangible in the future other than your personal assurances or guarantees.  A guarantee is worthless when the guarantor can only be contacted through a post office box in a foreign country.    At least if the funder is gambling on a horse race or a football game he is able to research his team's performance and the team's chance of winning a game.  With your company you are increasingly reluctant to provide previous business experience or company details other than a P.O. box.  I am sure that if it was you handing over the funding to me then you would want similar details from me as to my previous business experience and my company details in being able to pursue a very costly project through to completion.

Thanks for the comments.  

6 hours ago, cctransuk said:

 

Now there's bold words - I too hope that you don't have cause to eat your words.

 

Regards,

John Isherwood.

It's gonna happen, progress is moving in the right direction.

9 hours ago, truffy said:

I will wait until we have the EP samples before deciding...but I don't do sound anyway.

there is the DCC ready version Nigel.  

10 hours ago, Littlethorpe said:

From Companies House Website regarding setting up a LImited Company....

 

"Your registered office address is where official communications will be sent, for example letters from Companies House.

The address must be:

a physical address in the UK

in the same country your company is registered in, for example a company registered in Scotland must have a registered office address in Scotland

You can use a PO Box. You must still include a physical address and postcode.

You can use your home address or the address of the person who will manage your Corporation Tax.

Your company address will be publicly available on the online register."

 

Looks like everyone is correct. Time to give him a break I think, nobody has to order from him if they don't wish to. He hasn't done himself any favours with the (apparent) tone of some of his Posts but that is always the problem with Forums & Social Media. Best just to stick to factual Posts.

 

I will certainly be ordering an N Gauge GT3 if it gets the go-ahead. Saw a superb scratch-built N Gauge version on one of the layouts at the GCR Event yesterday.

 

David

We are not a PLC or a LTD company, therefore won't be listed with companies house.

8 minutes ago, Steamport Southport said:

 

But I believe that practice is illegal in the UK. PO Boxes have been virtually eliminated in the UK for some time apart from government ones and L69 catalogue and retailers  (Littlewoods, QVC, etc).

 

Even traders using them have to put a "proper" address on all correspondence. That was to stop criminals using them. Again we aren't saying that anyone is a crook. Just that some of the ways of doing things are different in the UK.

 

 

Jason

Sole traders are allowed to use PO Boxes in the UK, I used one for 13 years as a LTD company in a former life, we still had the LTD company registered address which was our accountant's office. 

53 minutes ago, chris p bacon said:

 

I'd actually say the questioning has been pretty lightweight so far 

 

The real test will be if there is a delay or cost increase, or both.

 

 

I can guarantee there will be no cost increase at this stage.  However, if we do decide to do a 2nd run, then I don't know.  As is stands today we have no delays, the project is moving along just on time.  Tooling is scheduled to begin in July and run till the end of the year with production set to start in the new year.

17 minutes ago, PMP said:

Thank you very much, i appreciate the order book will need to close soon, and I feel that displaying the CADs in good time may increase sales. Including a potential order from myself.

I just want to make sure it's right before I release it on here, I get savaged enough on here as it is, the blood is coming through the bandages.  

15 minutes ago, PMP said:

 

I wonder if I might ask this again? I appreciate you’ve been busy responding to other questions.

brgds 

I was just correcting a few errors yesterday with the factory and as soon as we have completed CAD drawings I will publish them here.  I will also publish the EP samples too.  The order book will have to close soon as I need to order the sound decoders from ESU.

2 hours ago, RLWP said:

 

And as you probably already know, that's likely to be one and the same. If he is using an agency to do the CAD work and a manufacturer in another country, he wouldn't need premises

 

And from what I can make out, the PO box IS his trading address, this is how it is done in Canada

 

And really, I don't know why I'm bothering. I think I'll go and find my pitchfork and light my flaming torch - I haven't been to a good lynching in ages

 

Richard

The lynching started without my participation.  Premises cost money for a start-up company, so we are using outside contractors for each project.  That way there aren't bills to pay for unused office space.

2 hours ago, Ryde-on-time said:

Another prickly and somewhat daft response

 

The impression I get is that you feel people should be grateful to you for doing this project, they should shut up and blindly give you the money. I on the other hand think it is you who should be grateful to those interested in funding this model for you

 

I don’t think your a crook.  Concerns however make my mind does go back the the FTG wagon saga as another example of a single individual with no experience but trying to get a model produced. FTG was set up to produce modern wagons and the first, a simple SPA open wagon, was developed. It was researched, CAD designs done, the wagon was tooled and first EP”s shown on RMweb, however there were then problems with the factory (I don’t think the reasons were made public). Ironically it took Dave Jones to then step in, help rescue the tooling and get it transferred to another factory who did eventually make the wagons

 

There are a couple of differences with your project - FTG were only trying to develop a simple wagon and it was not crowd funded (so the escalation in cost due to problems could simply be reflected in an increased selling price)

 

Your role with the GT3 project appears to be one of project management but you don’t seem to know your customers (for instance people in the uk are suspicious of PO box addresses) and communication skills don't seem to be one of your strengths. China like all countries has its own culture and I can't see your style of communication going down  well in certain situations. What is your plan B if you have problems or begin to run out of money? Would it be your plan to ask for further money rather than cancel the project?

This is why the GT3 has been funded this way.  There was a soft launch to gauge the response at Warley, then the EOI was launched, once enough interest was shown by asking for deposits only after enough customers committed did I know the project was going to succeed.  As a 51-year-old British citizen, I am well aware of my customer base.  Can anyone deny that some of the questions asked on here have been very personal and invasive?  If you poke the dog, he will bite.  I have shared everything I know, as the project develops, and yes I am also learning from this.  I may have been a little abrupt with some questions, for which I apologise.  We won't run out of money, that won't be a problem.

2 hours ago, chris p bacon said:

 

Certainly, But to make it a level playing field first you have to send me £120 and I'll send you an incomplete CAD.

 

 

seems fair enough.

3 hours ago, Colin_McLeod said:

1, I never asked for you home address. I asked for your trading address

 

2, Benefit to me and others, is that there would be a known physical location where you can be communicated with regarding the GT3 and where if (hopefully unnecessary) notices can be served in the event of problems

 

3, I have sent you my home address by email.   Over to you!!!

The trading address is listed on the website.  All company correspondence should be directed there.

4 hours ago, Darius43 said:

 

This would imply that there is a UK-based distribution organisation or location.  Please can you explain in more depth how this will work and where it will be located?

 

Darius

The shipping container from China will be unloaded at a yet to be found location in the UK, and customers orders will be distributed from there, returns will also be returned there too.