KR Models

2 minutes ago, grahame said:

 

There are a huge number of designers who make 3D printed items available commercially through Shapeways (so having a printer is not a requisite), a large number of individuals who are capable and do have home printers and it is quite possible to commission such items should KR Models not include them. 

 

 

These CADs are not set in stone, things are still subject to change. We just don't want to release 15 different variations of a model and overwhelm ourselves with the work that follows. If its viable for us to offer the chimney option, then we can try.

10 minutes ago, Chris M said:

KTM making all these announcements of new projects before any project has actually made it to the customers make them start to sound like someone whose name I won't say aloud.

Id like to state that we have only released the EOI's for these products. That doesn't mean that these models will be out in the next year, or even 2 or 3 years, it doesn't mean they will receive sufficient interest. Its essentially market research, just how much demand is there. We have no intentions on moving forward with a project unless we are comfortable we can fund, tool, and produce a product completely and efficiently. We will still stick to our guns of 2 active projects at a time. 

Bare in mind also, the GT3 was meant to be in peoples hands by now, but due to complications with the pandemic it hasn't been entirely smooth to say the least. So, we have been working on these to keep us busy, and in my opinion its better than staying idle and waiting around. - Michael

9 minutes ago, Edge said:

It absolutely cannot be denied that KR are going for it, they have rather cornered the ‘quirk’ section of the market with their OO announcements

Just like my father, we here love the weird and wonderful. - Michael

The Bulleid Leader, a desperately sought after model, finally coming to life.

The Leader was a class of experimental 0-6-0+0-6-0
articulated steam locomotive, 5 were planned but only one was completed, and was produced in the United Kingdom. It looked like a ‘new’ generation of diesel but was actually a steam powered loco. The Leader project was part of Bulleid's desire to modernise the steam locomotive based on experience gained with the Southern Railway's fleet of electric stock.

https://krmodels.co.uk/collections/oo-gauge/products/bulleid-leader

We here at KR Models are proud to announce that we intend to produce the Clayton DHP1!

It was a demonstrator ordered by Rolls Royce to showcase their engines and hydraulic transmission, with help from Col Fell of 10100 Fell Loco fame. Clayton modified the Class 17 drawings to suit the requirement as they were designed around the same time, although the 17 was about 4 feet longer but the general layout was identical, testing didn't go to plan and it was soon relegated to works shunter for the final 2 Class 17's being built (the 2 with Rolls Royce engines).

https://krmodels.co.uk/collections/oo-gauge/products/clayton-dhp1

6 hours ago, Paddy said:

Hi Keith,

 

I agree with your comment about "business suicide",  I am not for one moment suggesting you should go off and create a King (or other large/expensive projects) with fingers and everything else crossed.  My point was about building credibility in the market and producing something relatively limited like the Shark seems a sensible way of doing this i.e. a £20+ model.  This is the sort of money where I (and probably other people) would be willing to take a punt on you.

 

If the Shark arrives on time, budget and is a good model then I for one would be more interested in backing the King proposal.

 

If your business model is working then good for you and as I said before, I wish you and Michael every success.

 

Kind regards

 

Paddy

 

This is why we announced the Shark Brake van first, If, for whatever reason, the Shark van doesn't receive enough orders after the EOI met its target goal for us, then refunding the money wouldn't be too much hassle, If we do meet the orders, then the project wouldn't take too long to actually make, cleaning up the CADs would be an easy task, and by the point production finishes the current pandemic situation should have eased up substantially by then. - Michael

32 minutes ago, msw2009 said:

 

Couldn't agree more with Paddy's comments.  Good luck to KR Models - I've just expressed an interest and will certainly be in for 1 or 2. 

 

Production of a good quality n gauge Shark would, I'm sure, be an enormous boost to the King project.

 

Mark

 

 

An expression of interest is just that.  You have expressed an interest in a certain model.  There is no point producing a model that isn't going to sell.  Therefore, we set up EOI to test the market, if no interest, then that's where it stays.  It is business suicide to produce a model, invest all the time and money, if there is no market.  Our business model is working fine right now.

6 hours ago, Paddy said:

Hi Keith,

 

My advice would be to start with something small like the Shark and get it to market.  Deliver a quality product and on time to build credibility (like RevolutioN).  Sadly N gauge modellers have been let down too many times and are no doubt reticent to commit to an expensive loco unseen.

 

If RevolutioN announces a model then I have no worries about it being delivered or the quality of the finished model.

 

This is in no way meant as a slight on KR Models but rather you are suffering from those who have gone before.

 

I wish you every success with all your projects and I have certainly expressed an interest in the Shark.

 

Just my 5c worth,

 

Kind regards
 

Paddy

 

 

 

 

As we have announced expressions for multiple project, that does not mean they are in active development. The only two that are is the GT3 and the Fell, once the GT3 is in peoples hands, we will start moving towards another model to push into active development, and we have a few candidates for that. 

Expressions are to gauge interest, they aren't indicative of when a model is going to start development or even if it will at all. We just want to see how many people would be interested in one if we were to make one. Thats all.

2 hours ago, The Stationmaster said:

There's a very considerable and noticeable difference between 6024 as running now and 6024 in its final BR form and that will still be noticeable in 2mm scale because the engine will immediately be seen to be lower.  Not knowing anything about KRM's marketing plans I don't know if the intend to offer a 'modern' version - that's up to them and their customers.  And as I said some detail differences will very obviously not be readily visible in 2mm scale unless you look very closely indeed.  It really all depends what the basic tooling is - and that is down to KRM and where they think the biggest market lies.  

 

But I think they need to sort the tender detail - that one is a bit too obvious from normal viewing angles if they are using the DJM CAD unaltered and a 'modern' version  is just one of several.  And it's also an easy thing for a modeller to add if they want it but not so easy to remove if integrally moulded.  

The issue with offering different variations, is that most require extra tools to produce the differences.  This adds to the cost of the project.  DJM offered 15 different variations, we will not be doing the same.  We have had it confirmed that these drawings cover 6002 - 6019.

5 hours ago, Chris M said:

I would love to see this get enough support to go ahead and wish KR Models all the best.  I'm tempted to show an interest but, having been bitten by DJ, I really don't think I would be prepared to  part with cash up front at the moment so in fairness I can't register an interest. There aren't many details such as what amount would be required up front (100%, 50%) or at what point this would be paid. I guess if I payed by credit card any funding would be protected by the credit card company so maybe there is no risk. I paid by debit card with DJM which, on reflection, was rather stupid of me. I suppose one problem with this project for me is that it reminds me of how gullible I was with DJ. I know KR Models has absolutely nothing to do with DJ (apart from buying the CAD from the administrator) and I I have heard that the business plan for KRM is more sensible than DJM in that this is is not the main source of income for the folk behind KRM. This makes a very big difference to the chances of long term success. It sounds as though the KRM set up is more like Revolution than DJM in that respect but I don't have first hand knowledge. Anyhow, if this project  appears to be getting plenty of support I could well become interested in having a king again, but not just yet. I bought a Britt when the king died so I have all the locos I need in my roster.

 

 

Has the 00 GT3 actually been produced yet? I know there are pre production samples so it should be close if not already there. I think seeing customers receive (and praise) this loco would be helpful in drumming up support for the king. Apologies for being a little negative but being taken in by DJ still hurts.

We are very aware of the bitterness left behind after the collapse of DJM.  Obviously we didn't see that coming when we launched.  Our goal is to produce models that people want.  The king is very popular and we hope that people will get onboard with it.  We have over the two years that we have been running that we are way more engaged with customers, we are more open with customers and we reply far better to comments than DJM ever did.  This  is to give confidence back into the industry.  The N Gauge market is a very small market in comparison to OO, but we feel that the N Gauge community need to have these products too.

5 minutes ago, John M Upton said:

Seen within context you can see that it refers to N Scale Fell and GT3 in N looking unlikely.

This is correct. The GT3 and Fell N Gauge expressions have been less than successful, nevertheless we have kept them up for people to show interest.

3 hours ago, John M Upton said:

Just seen elsewhere that this and the N gauge King may be dropped due to lack of interest?  Has the ghost of DJM scared people off?

We have announced nothing of the sort.

17 minutes ago, Miss Prism said:

Is the gear ratio 22:1 ?

 

The gearing is prototypical to the speed of the loco

14 hours ago, MGR Hooper! said:

Send it over in a plain brown box

As its our first model and one close to our hearts, we definitely did not want to just send it in a brown box haha

I would also like the point out that the box is also padded inside, making 100% sure the model is safe inside.

9 minutes ago, MGR Hooper! said:

I was just going to say it had a German feel to it.

Not copied this design I hasten to add.  

On 08/06/2020 at 14:36, Barry O said:

Something was bugging me about the video. I have left it for a while and now have gone back to it. I take it this is a fully geared together version? There is a bit of gearbox wind up when it sets off.  Sorry it is the engineer coming out in me!

 

Baz

The way that is sets off is because of the sound decoder.  The sound has to reach the point where is can actually set off.  The non-sound version doesn't do this.

1 hour ago, Wagpnmaster said:

Another, maybe factory fitted, would be to produce the 'hub caps'  recessed to accommodate the crankpin nut and its rotation, but with two small 'pips' on the rear at 3 o'clock and 9 o'clock. These could either be a friction fit or glued into two corresponding holes drilled in the coupling rod. 

 

This way it is minimal modification and they won't incorrectly rotate. If the 'hub caps' were a friction fit, then they could be popped off for lubrication or removal of the coupling rod, if needed. 

We will do what we can regarding this suggestion, many thanks.

18 minutes ago, gary_lner said:

Hi Michael. I'd be happy if both options could be done. 

 

Gary 

Unfortunately, that isnt an option.

If we paint them then you wont be able to glue the hub caps on because the paint would lift.

Painting the crank pins would be the easiest solution, but not the most aesthetically pleasing.

We can make and supply the hub caps, but we cannot fit them because if we did we run the risk of locking up the crank pins and ceasing function to the model. The factory has told us that they cant do this without damaging or severely hindering the function of the model.

But as stated above, if you attempt this and glue the crank pins shut, that will void warranty and we will not replace the model.

As for Chris P Bacon contacting our factory, we are pretty confident he hasn't as we haven't given away who our factory is as they wish to remain confidential.

Please be aware that if you fit after market hubcaps and you glue the crank pins, your warranty is void.

So far as the track testing is still going on, the full gear box is looking the better of the two options.  It appears to be smoother and slightly less jerky.  

7 hours ago, Bucoops said:

Just an observation from the video - does the bogie front wheel appear to jump a little when it hits bends, or is it my aging and tired eyes?

This is one of the fixes we are looking into 

8 hours ago, cctransuk said:

 

The 'crankpin nuts' should be large diameter, bowl-shaped roller bearing covers : -

 

 

Regards,

John Isherwood.

We can't do that due to a sizing issue.

8 hours ago, No Decorum said:

Yes, I’d be curious to know which of the two samples was chosen i.e. the one with rod drive or the one with internal gearing to all driving wheels.

 

I note the Royal Train headcode. Will there be closed discs in the accessory pack and will they be easy to fix in place?

 

I must say the running and decorated sample looks and sounds impressive.

There will be two sets of head code discs.  A white set and a coloured set to cover the lights.  That way you can select which head code you want.