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I did consider that might be what was happening, but looking at a railway atlas it didn't seem likely - but I didn't know how they operated the local lines. One of his other photos has a tank wagon in the consist, and that could be a similar working. Regards Paul Bartlett

http://www.flickr.co...ams/6334787410/ - Interesting, I'm pretty sure that the PGA is a Yeoman aggregate hopper, well lost? [it is the one that is much wider than the other hoppers. Paul Bartlett

There are 189 photos of BR pipes to choose from! http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brpipe Admittedly quite a lot are not the same prototype. A few are from the later 60s such as http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brpipe/eceeb1f1 Paul Bartlett

All of the condemnation dates are given in Slinn J N & Clarke B K (1987) GWR Siphons pub. by HMRS 122 pages. ISBN 0 902835 10 6 The earliest I can see is 7/61. Most followed soon afterwards in 61 and 62. There is one in 64 and one in 69. Paul Bartlett PS Why would an LMS BG be commented on? They were very common. Paul Bartlett

Remarkable in how clearly the dark brown (BS 3-039) of the "underparts" shows up. Paul Bartlett

Yes of course CO goes back a century, What I wrote was "The CO on WR wagons appears to have a similar function" because it continued and no colour coding is known for the WR. All of this has been discussed in detail before, but I cannot find the topic. There are numerous examples in my collections, but as mine (and DLs) are mostly from the 1970s onwards they had got quite mixed up by then. They don't appear in the official documents that explain brandings on wagons - whereas, as an example, the use of similar visual signals for mineral wagon sizes is in the documents. I hadn't heard any association with specific jobs and they are not limited to any particular type of engineers or ex revenue wagons. Paul Bartlett

Yes. Common on SR, especially on ex revenue wagons transferred to the Civils. But, seen all over when the SR went continous brake and their unfitted departmental stock was sent north. Paul Bartlett

As I have said, we don't know these officially and the new Hornby Trout https://www.Hornby.com/shop/2013-range/wagons/r6622-zfozfp-trout-ballast-hopper/ DB992185 appears to be http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/troutzfo/eba30fde Dave L gives some infor on these in Volume 2 - on page 84. He doesn't know much about them and only allocates to regions, certainly not to depot. This one he says is LMR. This is the same as BRHSG suggested back in 1979. The CO on WR wagons appears to have a similar function. Paul Bartlett

I have posted photos of a couple more shunting tractors - 66006 Massey Ferguson 50 as Shunting tractor @ Ripple Lane C&W 30/05/87 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/road/e54eaed42 - this is working! and 66014 PVY125F Shunting tractor with front loader @ Gateshead 24/09/88 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/road/e54eaed48 Paul Bartlett

I have recently posted some Bruffs and similar in http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/otproadrailer Paul Bartlett

Yes, often discussed on wagon sites, but no one has come up with a list. It looks like Hornby are using one of the Scots ones on a forthcoming Trout. Paul Bartlett

That is a lovely photo when blown up. In the foreground gives us another LMS RCH mineral number and a view of the interior, as well as a lovely 'little' load in the open merchandise. Then there appears to be two rows of tipplers in chalk traffic - a number are suitably branded but all appear to have had the same load. And behind these 4 Sand tipplers as well as lots of other interesting wagons - slope sided mineral, GWR van with a frame door.... I wonder which was scrapped first, that GWR van or the Palvan Paul Bartlett

When this topic began I disagreed with the title, however after the past year it is now an accurate question for my urban garden. Where we used to get through a tube of niger every 48 hours I have only half filled it once since August - and only caught sight of pairs of goldfinch twice in that time - they used to queue up, up to a dozen at a time. Collared doves - used to be two to four almost permanently in the garden, not seen one for months. OK we have a steady 8 - 12 sparrows, a few black birds, a few woodpigeons - admittedly there is a roost of them building up once again in the town garden opposite us. Starlings - none, feral pigeons - very occasional. Robin rare, not seen a Wren in months .... All very sad. Paul Bartlett

I wasn't suggesting these were spray painted, but the specifications were altered to permit easier spray painting. The van I referred to earlier clearly shows a green end on a PMV. I thought we had been down this route before and established when black ceased being used for the ends of NPCCS, certainly before the introduction of blue in 1965. Painting is really difficult - as you suggest hand painting continued for a long time - I saw plenty of brush strokes on stock in the 1970s and 80s. However, the instructions I have for repainting WAGON stock for June 1959 has instructions for 4 different methods of applying paint - I don't understand what any of them were. They were OB - Oleo Resin Brushing Process OS - Oleo Resin SPRAYING Process QD - Synthetic Resin Process R - Chlorinated Rubber Process. Sometimes there is no difference in the instruction, othertimes it appears a different paint was available for spraying or not. Paul Bartlett

Unlikely, the black ends was earlier before air spray painting became common practice. http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/srpmv/e341aefa Paul Bartlett

Ok, I thought Dormobiles were motor caravan conversions. Paul Bartlett PS incidentally, if it has a side windows am I wrong that it is not strictly a van. Wasn't there a difference in tax payable on whether a vehicle was a van or not. When the body was like a van but had side windows then it was taxed like a car?

why I called it a Workobus was that it has side windows. In the commercial version these had a pair of long benches either side and were aimed at the market for cheap personnel transport for, as a commn example, building site workers. I believe they were all on the long wheelbase chassis. Interesting how a concept such as "dormobile" gets corrupted as in the caption. Paul Bartlett

apologies if seen before, but a nice Bedford Workabus http://www.leedsmrs.org/jpegs/Gallery/AlanSmith/HL/Healey Mills CCE dormobile 1963-4.jpg just being written by the look of it. My first vehicle was a Workabus, dreadful rust bucket incapable of going above 55mph going down hill, but wonderful fun, it was possible to get an awful lot of students in it! The sliding doors could be held open, so chatting to passing pedestrians was interesting. Paul Bartlett

If only! There are designs which seem to have gone almost totally unnoticed - I've got quite a number of photos that are from others, and Peter Fidczuk worked hard at getting the more unusual for his Modellers Backtrack articles, but there are hardly any photos at all of diag 1/101 version - mine are after years in internal use http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmowtmineral/e1c90d53f http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmowtmineral/e13aa9b14 Paul Bartlett

I was pleased to see the prototype photo. I have a couple of 7mm versions for the Parkside Plate and thought they looked a bit overloaded, but they were very like that photo. I also gave them the dimensions of the Peco 7mm Pig Iron wagon and they have added a suitable load to their range. Their products are a lot nicer to those made elsewhere whom use plaster for making load models. Paul Bartlett

I like this one, the internal user fleet of elderly wooden minerals appears to be in much better condition than the BR steel minerals. Paul Bartlett

Oops. I won't correct - I was too bothered about ensuring were weren't getting the dreaded presfloW. .. and in summer 1986 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/apcmpresflo/ef628cb4 Paul Bartlett

Photo here http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/apcmpresflo/eb92909e Not all presflo were BR owned, APCM had two privately owned batches, 1960 introduced in yellow and 1963 in grey - and grey continued to be their livery after the name boards were removed http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/apcmpresflo There are various photos taken in the yard at Exeter Central in my collections - and elsewhere on RMWEb there has been a recent discussion of cement silos which included a photo of EC. http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brpresflo/e23be7eb2 EC went on being used long after the BR design Presflo were withdrawn http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/stspca/e3c288452 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/apcmpca/e1c9d4615 You asked about singletons, yes early on there were road vehicles designed to unload direct from the Presflo. You sound as if you are interested in the earliest use of Presflo. Becareful, the early batches had oil, not roller bearing, axleboxes - part of the BR modernisation plan of 1958 was to fit roller bearing to all 35ton GLW wagons (ie with payloads of about 22tons) and the Presflos appear to have been converted early, and totally (unlike other fleets) - perhaps a reflection that the powder was affecting the oil bearings. Lots more Presflo here http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/?q=presflo Paul Bartlett PS and thanks for spelling Preflo correctly!

It will have been in internal use for many years. That link to the discussion is interesting, but it is incorrect in suggesting BR gave up with the top flap so early. Some of the wartime and immediate post war steel minerals did not have the flap door - and they were high wagons compared to many RCH wooden mineral wagons. It seems to have been the late 60s or early 70s when the top flaps began to be welded in place, and the rebodies of the 1970s lacked the top door. By then conventional hand unloading would have been rare (if not gone completely - these not very good photos were of an historical artefact http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/coalloading/e52ba4798 http://bit.ly/WQ5Tw8 http://bit.ly/Y0PXIT Incidentally a lot of steel minerals didn't make it into the 1970s http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/midlandrailway/h52befd34#h52befd34 What a waste. Paul Bartlett