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Adrian - just to confirm that is correct, there is no confusion about the width. Paul

I would be grateful if someone could give a reference to the Ted Trotter drawing, not one I remember being aware of (too young!) Paul Ps I hadn't realised some remains of Cyclops were conserved.

That is the diagram number used by the LNER, They had full page diagrams as well as the little ones in the Specially constructed diagram book. I only have a few of them, and not the one Dave has submitted here. Peter Tatlow uses that series of diagram numbers throughout his WSP multi volume series. My LMS diagram book shows the Trestrol as of LNE origin. T'is a pity, as LMS diagrams show when there are 'space' instead of floor on their specials. Mike - The inner longitudinal is the same height as the outers http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/cyclopsresearch/e31fd8265 Paul

That is why I suggested Rowntrees. They appear to have been considered a top class customer, they got masses of Palvans when they were new, http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brpalvan/e3a96538e Then they had Vanwides http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brvanwide/ed6ad0ed In my early spotting days I can remember the return to branding on the removable labels they had on the side. And it is well known a large fleet of air braked vans were allocated to them. http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brvda/e21ead03b Paul Bartlett

The van train in 66 is interesting, All Vanwides, with the possible exception of the final two vans (before the brake van) as they look like they have framed sides - as the Izal and Glass Palvans. I wonder if this is heading to/from the Izal factory near Sheffield, or Rowntrees chocolate at York? Paul

And the rear view of the real thing. http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/road/e573e5228 Paul

This is in Smiths now, and the editor frequents this site. So beaware it is in copyright. Paul

I don't understand this comment, The photo in SW Nov 2013 pages 52-3 is a very different photo - and spectacularly clean! 25/09/61 Paul

Umm not true, there are quite a lot in my collections and others at home. What I didn't do well for is side on photos in good light, mine are cramped in the rain. Yours are an excellent addition to our knowledge. Regards Paul

I noticed a Triang Newsletter in MRC last evening (when looking for Meat vans) sometime around 1961. Anyway it discusses the Trestrol in detail, mentioning the prototype dimensions and that the trestles were grey, despite the photograph of the model being as we all know it - sans trestles! Paul

With the wheel so close to the headstock I would suggest it is one of the 8 GLASS MD. That was how they were used in these sets. Adrian - wonderful table. Sorry, I don't have original numbers for the converted wagons in the B909xxx series. Others, don't overlook that the BR diagrams give the original diagram numbers. B909651 had GWR bogies 909603 & 605 909655 had LNER axle boxes 909606 & 909657 had BRS axle boxes Paul

Largely unrebuilt, 1978 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmineralweld/e28cd6868 Replated 1978 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmineralweld/e2455ecdc I don't believe any effort was made to vacuum brake the clasp brake ones built without VB - it was the Morton brake that was used for VB later on - having learnt their lesson that clasp brake and end door unloading (which required the axle to be grasped) didn't mix. Paul

That isn't a 16 ton mineral. A nice photo of 26 or 27ton iron ore tippler , as in the later part of this collection http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/bscotippler Nice photo of it with the TOPS fleet number. Paul

Really nice comparison of BR standard Grey! Paul

That is not a 16 ton mineral, it is a 13tonner. http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/steelmineral Paul Ps and don't overlook there were Private trader steel 16ton minerals.

Duplicates a topic already going and in which the same is said. Paul

David Thanks, very nice photos, interesting to see the crane in action. Although NER it looks as if they may have been maintained on the WR so the GWR brake van. Or simply the revenue railway got shot of all of the GWR brake vans quite early on, and they tended to be used by the engineers quite generally. In later years, plenty on my website well off of the WR. http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/gwrbrakevan Paul Paul Bartlett

Post 1463 - that 2nd photo has resolved a query I had, what was this wagon for http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/internaluser/e3a595fcb see the one next to the loco. Paul

I wonder if this http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brtwinjibcrane/e1da1edfc is that rail laying crane? I can partially make out 480 on the brake van??? Can you read the number on the original? Paul

Away from the Black Country, Clyde Cement used blast furnace slag to make cement http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/clydecementpba http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/clydecementpda Paul

A couple of nice LMS Iron Ore hoppers, converted with a roof and top hatches for Cardiff Slag Reduction here http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/alliedsteelwire/edbf91d1 and http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/alliedsteelwire/e17746725 Paul

Yes looks about right on my photos Paul

Going a little OT, but I noticed in tiny writing on Palmolive kitchen hand wash "avoid contact with marble, limestone and stainless steel". Ridiculous as these are the main components of modern kitchen sinks! What could be in it?! Paul Bartlett

Adrian - Lovely photos. Poole one of the few yards I was refused entry to, and I only ever saw the CBs in Whitemoor, very closed in and on poor days. They all worked from Lenwade, as you say a right motley collection, the 3 axle bogies were very crudely cut from earlier wagons and unfortunately were renumbered - I expect others know the origin of each one. No need to give lots of info, the diagrams are in the Specially constructed diagram book on the Barrowmoremrg site - see 2/800 - 05. All the running numbers are given. Paul Bartlett

After being at the Club last night, caught Prog at the BBC on BBC 4. Perhaps available via iPlayer? Lovely to see it opening with 'Nice'. We danced their entire set at Essex Uni - couldn't do that now, even with a newly installed set of replacement heart arteries! Paul