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Very nice, Unit models make a nice model of such a load http://www.unitmodels.com/product.php?id_product=67 Paul Bartlett

Thank you for this comment. Because, as with your example from Flicr, important information is left behind - the Flicr page gives info on place and date of photo and this is not copied, nor are any comments that others have added. You also still have to click on it and go to the Flicr site to enlarge it. I might even flog a few downloads or prints, which helps pay for the site. Nothing comes free. Paul Bartlett

Not at all certain, but I think it looks slightly like the shorter DAMO A, ASMO may have roof vents on the centre line and there is none here. At least one ASMO was in Perth in 1969 (unidentified) and one is conserved at Didcot. http://bit.ly/Xwr7xz - although it doesn't appear to have roof vents, so perhaps the original diagram is misleading. I do wonder if any of these made it as grounded bodies, they would have been useful tractor sheds! (the Mogos do appear to have been quite popular as garages). Paul Bartlett

.. and those vans, to give apoplexy to anyone whom believes there is a standard BR freight stock red (Bauxite!). Paul Bartlett

Nice line of Continental vans in the background! Paul Bartlett

... and how many did you photograph. I've tried without success so far to encourage a friend (and he is on RMWeb) to take photos of the van(s) he regularly uses. Living close to where Netto Rail keep their road fleet in York it is now very noticeable how short a working life a lot of the road vehicles have - Jarvis had a brand new fleet, where are they now? Paul Bartlett

... and that B557510 is immaculate. Too easy to forget that they were once brand new! I think it confirms that the interiors weren't painted. Paul Bartlett

Some nice 16ton minerals here http://www.britishpathe.com/video/coal-trucks including a lot of views of the loads from above. Paul Bartlett

The web page mentioned is http://www.davesrailpics.bravehost.com/lud/grain.htm Very nice. Paul Bartlett http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/lnergrain

Which is NER and nothing like the H&BR - Kit kat - refrigerator van. Good photos and drawing pages 18-20 of Tatlow, P. (2007) LNER Wagons, Volume 2, LNER North-Eastern Area. Wild Swan,. ISBN 978-1-895184-34-7. Although only a resemblance, the 5 pairs of torpedo vents is correct, most unusual! Paul Bartlett

I also have a collection of them at http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/br0809 The imagination in how to finish these old stagers that was permitted from the later 1980s onwards is spectacular. Paul Bartlett

I have pointed this lack out to Slaters. Because of their shock open and BR van kits etc. they have every component necessary for a kit except the sides, at least for the unfitted and Morton vacuum braked versions. I think Slaters have lost interest in 7mm wagons, not enough profit, Gauge 1 and big vans seems to be their scene now. Dapol have announced a clay open, if the photos they have used is correct, then it is a short, end door wagon and not one of these. (Admittedly other photos they used for the CCT and Fish don't appear to have been a good guide to their plans). Paul Bartlett PS the LMS did, of course, have many more than 100 corrugated ended open merchandise, but the VB ones had auxilliary suspension. I hadn't noticed that unusual D1839 with VB but without auxillliary suspension. PPS many of these wagons lasted into the 1980s usually in engineers use.

Although I'm not sure what this has to do with 16ton minerals, this is an interesting photo. The train appears to have a number of recently repainted (and in the case of the 2 door wooden mineral and the Low ) totally resheeted wagons. I assume they have recently visited the reasonably local Shildon works? Paul Bartlett

I cannot remember the answer to the question, but Julie has been remarkably helpful about recording the real railway part of the hobby http://bit.ly/RaIuWJ . She used to most enjoy the hobby when there were small yards to be visited, in interesting towns and we saw a lot of the country that way.She measured a lot of wagons before the family came along. However, she dislikes dirty smelly little locomotives (Evening Star is OK!) and has never got on with model exhibitions, but more importantly nor with the condescending members of our fraternity whom seem to think she is some sort of secretary when she answers the phone or even meets them. Paul Bartlett I forgot to add that when she is in a foul mood she reminds me of the MTK Class 45 kit that was bought by her (at considerable cost for a student used to live on flavoured milk) that remains in bits!

Quite possibly, certainly not too late, I photographed a couple of BR SCVs, and the SR style Horse boxes (as built by BR, one preserved at NRM) also survived later than this. I also did think of Fruit D, but it looks a bit "fussy". Paul Bartlett

Which was frequenly photographed http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lmstank/ed8130b5 Paul Bartlett

Yes a long LNER 4 wh CCT I think the ??GW?? is an LMS fish van in stores livery - looks possibly dirty olive green http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lmsfish/e1d6f2cb2 Not sure about the final two 4 wheelers, the last appears to have SR profile, but the third from last doesn't - lower roof profile. Indeed I think one of the interesting feature of these different trains is how the profiles, both height and width vary so much. Paul Bartlett

ABS will have done all of the whitemetal castings for the Mopok CCT, so they should have all that is necessary available. Paul Bartlett

From their appearance they look like they are in private internal ownership. That second one has an unusual bar across the door to prevent it opening, and the poor way some top doors were plated up, but with the body still in original condition. Paul Bartlett

It would be interesting to know if they were "fun". Unlike a conventional brake van they were on a bogie vehicle - so maybe they rode better. And at 10ft x 8ft x 8ft which is the same length as the van of a BR standard van, and marginally wider than the standard van. OK going out for some fresh air wasn't possible, unlike a standard van, but were they so bad? Paul Bartlett

They are a nice pair of photos. None of mine have the footsteps. However, in a discussion some years ago a conclusion was drawn that grey roof was unusual but not too rare, for example http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/braketender/e1a5ae1c8 Paul Bartlett

That's correct. This is the one we are discussing, rather more expensive (but some are still cheaper than the cost new when calculators that take inflation into account are used). Books have gone down a lot in relative price! Bartlett, P., Larkin, D., Mann, T., Silsbury, R., and Ward, A. (1985) An illustrated history of BR wagons, Volume 1 published by Oxford Publishing Company, 192 pages. http://www.bookfinder.com/search/?ac=sl&st=sl&ref=bf_s2_a4_t1_4&qi=EYXOBJUCZ2LSWy0KjPmH7MamIsg_3865398188_1:88:818&bq=author%3Dp%2E%2520bartlett%26title%3Dillustrated%2520history%2520of%2520british%2520rail%2520wagons What 'ours' had was drawings (not weight diagrams) almost all of which were prepared from our own field measuring. Also, there are descriptions of the type of brake rigging/bogie used for each lot and photographs of the main brake riggings, buffers, axleboxes, bogies. There are mistakes (the 16ton minerals are messy and the first three lots of china clay wagons were unfitted when new (guess were Ratio got their info from without acknowledgement )). Drawings - Lowfit 1/001; Lowfit 1/002; Medfit 1/017; Medfit 1/019; Highfit 1/032; Highfit 1/039; Highfit 1/044; Highfit 1/037; Highfit 1/049; Soda Ash 1/046; Dropside open 1/033; OAA 1/191; OCA OCO0lA; Shock open 1/031; Shock open 1/056; Shock hood B 1/058; China clay open 1/051; Sand tippler 1/072; Palbrick 1/026; Ferry open 1/055; Timber 1/420; Scrap open MFO0lA; Expt. car -; Carflat 1/130; Beer tank 1/302; Class A Ferry tank 1/305; Demountable beer 1/334; LNER/BR Pipe 1/461; BR pipe 1/462; BR Tube 1/448; Ferry Tube 1/449; Single bolster 1/402; Double bolster 1/416; Bogie bolster C 1/473; Bogie bolster D BDA BDO06D; Bogie bolster E 1/479; Bogie bolster BBA BBO0lB; Borail EB 1/482 & 483; LNER/BR Plate 1/432; Boplate E 1/490; Trestrol EO/MO 2/682; Strip coil 1/407; Slab coil 1/411; Strip coil A 1/412; Pig Iron l/007; slope-sided mineral ex WD 1/100; Mineral weld ex WD 1/102; ex SNCF Mineral 1/112; Weld Mineral 1/108; Weld Mineral rebody 1/108; Double door Mineral 1/110; Double door VB Mineral 1/119 & 1/120; Double door Mineral rebody; Double door Mineral 24.5t 1/115; Ironstone tippler 1/181. The book we were promised was an Ian Allan "Datafile" one based on the series we did in Model Railway Constructor & the last 5 albums - but that went belly up. There are a lot of good drawings in those, as there were in a few of the Model Railways before that also went down the tubes (was it something we did?). Now decent drawings are rare in the model press. Paul Bartlett PS wasn't post 86 longer originally?

I made up the Mopok CCT and have several of their kits semi made! I also have 4 of the ABS Maroon suburban coaches in their cylinders, several have probably never been opened. I don't understand your dislike of the printed sides, They were very fine, and the thick paint used was sufficient to reproduce the difference between the glass and 1/8inch steel sheeting of the prototype. As to our book, thank you for the comments. Unfortunately the Ozalids of volume 1 appear to be missing, lost either by Motor Books or in the transfer to Ian Allan. No one seems to be interested in a reprint. There are a couple of editions on Abe books at the moment for about £40. The original price of £17.95 was typical for the time, but shows how much cheaper books have now become. Of course they ended up much cheaper with the WHS Book Club. They are scarce, which surprises me as I would have expected quite a lot to be on the 2nd hand market because of the book club sales - I think a lot of their books hardly get looked at! We soon found the way to get any money out of publishing was through magazine articles! Paul Bartlett

How were they "modified" to carry cars? That is what a CCT was built to do. Yes at least 3 of the condemned examples at Swindon in 1979 are in my collection, e.g http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lmsparcels/e104320f4 As you say, the cull was well underway at that time, despite the external condition being good. For some reason it was the Southern wooden vans, both 4 wheel and bogie which seem to have been favoured by survival into the 1980s. Going OT, in Mallaband, P. & Bowles, L. J. (1982) British Rail Coaching stock 1981. Pub RCTS, 128pages, ISBN 901115 51 7. the only LMS hauled stock remaining are 174 bogie brakes (and 5 exhibition vans); the GWR is reduced to 16 Siphon Gs as Newspaper vans and the LNER is not mentioned. The SR on the otherhand has 93 Bogie brake, one bogie GUV and 729 (I calculate!) of 4 wheel PMV and CCT. Paul Bartlett