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Ramp wagon photos http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/modaramp MODA flats http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/modawarflatpfb Paul Bartlett

I've kept away from this topic, but Specially constructed wagons are my specialism so. I have never managed to find anything which is the same as the Tri-ang short Weltrol. It seems to be based on LMS principles, but I have the full diagram book and there is nothing in there which has the same dimensions. However, there was an interesting internal conversion at BSC Stanton see http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lmspecial/e1a425fa2 (and a couple more photos alongside) which had the remains of the LMS BTZ code but it has been reduced in length by removal of part of the well. It ends up probably shorter than the Tri-ang one. Paul Bartlett PS the Cyclops is here http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/cyclopsresearch but the discussion of the Trestrol is just confusing this thread.

This is the prototype. http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brmedfitsteel Paul Bartlett

Isn't this the Presflo used for Delabole - labelled as DELAFILA http://PaulBartlett....oslate/e4279117 ? I wouldn't criticise the use of LSWR too much, BR "Return to" brandings frequently referred to the pre-Grouping names of railways. Very useful when there were two (or more) Companies serving the same town. Paul Bartlett

That's OK, there are many detail photographs on my site, try looking at the collections in here http://paulbartlett....ils?customize=2 if you are looking for something in particular. Paul Bartlett

This looks very nice, BUT sorry, you have correctly put independent brakes on this - with paired V hangers. Unfortunately these are NOT connected across the wagon - they are independent. This is true right the way through to the earlier BR mineral wagons, and virtually all Private Trader mineral wagons. This photograph - with the straight narrow V hangers of earlier wagons should show how the back of the V hanger has nothing more than the heavy gauge wire which prevents the brake push rods falling on the track if they break away from the V hangers. http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/smbp444/e19f18d55 Paul Bartlett

The rebodying programme lasted along time - until 1979 at least http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmineralclaspvb/e2c5a6886 There are plenty in my collections, including rebodied unfitted minerals http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmineralweld/efe7fab4 Note that an important difference to the originals is that the bottom of body curves into the floor, instead of ending in a sharp corner. Some of the longer 10ft wb ones with a 17ft 6 in body are here http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/mineralmcv10ft - the prototype following the models of that period, which had used longer underframes for many years! Paul Bartlett

Here http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brhba/e9446741 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brhba/e1df64701 Paul Bartlett

Dear all Lackenby Steel works Some of you may be interested in the considerable additions I have made to the collection of photographs I have posted taken at Lackenby in July 1989 see http://paulbartlett....com/bsclackenby Not many locos! Paul Bartlett

apologies, wrong subject

I have some photos of these - the relatively rare SR milk tank http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/srmilk/e1c6c48e3 ex W2021 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/gwrbrmilktanks/e39b58663 and B3192 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/gwrbrmilktanks/e3c1f5ef8 which is conserved on the NYMR. There was also a LMS origin tank used at STJ. Paul Bartlett

That is nice! The very first photo, shows what I consider to be quite a rare milk tank - one of the LNER ones E70357. Personally I only ever caught one of these http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/lnermilktank and it, and the frame, both have split axleboxes whereas 70357 has the LNER slope fronted ones. According to Tatlow, Peter (2000) Historic Carriage drawings Volume three: Non-passenger coaching stock. Publ. Pendragon Partnership, York, UK. ISBN 1 899816 09 7 128 pages. on pages 114-115 this was the first of a batch from 1934 allocated to U,D. (W) although he was unsure whether this meant United Dairies Wales or West. Interestingly Tatlow has this vehicle as originally number 4315 (and he has a photo), and the tank is number 415 - perhaps there was an association between frame and tank numbering? Paul Bartlett

Brian Yes, ABS do the LNER clasp UF open, only the second 7mm model I made. Regards Paul Bartlett

Brian You are very lucky, I hadn't looked at this for 322 mailings. I have the low quality scans of these which used to be on Fotopic and hadn't reloaded them - overlooked so see http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/ohb If you have made other requests in the past few months please let me know. Sorry must go, the Parrots are telling me it is 00.00, their time keeping for bedtime is exemplary. Paul Bartlett

Brian has picked up that I have added considerably to this collection recently. There are other similar overhead shots, http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/mdo/e394a09f which shows the effect of steel plating being replaced. And this of one with the door open http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/mdo/e282846b6 (although not good being against the light). This one http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/mdo/e142a4b4b has been in the collection for years. Paul Bartlett

I agree about the painting out of a subex or something similar. If the date is correct (which I accept it is) then this is amazing survivor. BR does seem to have been systematic in weeding out the independently braked mineral wagons by circa 1967 (Morton brake came in 1951 on new build). The variation in 'rusting' on the mineral wagons is amazing. Some of the recent photographs show this well, the odd very badly rusted wagon - almost appearing unpainted, amongst many in reasonable condition. It is difficult to understand why the outside of these wagons deteriorated so badly, perhaps some of the manufacturers were not paying much attention to the quality of external finishing? Paul Bartlett

That is the traffic I understood the SPVs (ex fish) and other parcels wagons - LMS BGs SR 4 wheelers etc were in. Quite a lot dotted around my collections are at Aylesbury. Also a nice rake of international freightliners http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brferryfreightliner Also one of the last resting places of H containers http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brhodcontainer/e33d43bca and some rather colourful ex Tube wagons http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brlnertube/e30357aa3 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lnertube/e36d4f66c which are probably a bit late for you. Paul Bartlett

I have posted a few of the WW2 type for the Army at http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/modbrake [Also has some very strange small brake vans at RNAD Bedenham - the nearest I've ever seen to the very first Tri-ang brake van!]

They escaped all over the system, and not simply after the SR went Vacuum brake. I have asked on various internet sites, without response, why they were in use in the Midlands (for example) by 1956 - they can be seen in photographs occasionally. My theory is that the higher tare 25Ton than other standard brake vans (20 Ton) was found useful. Photos here http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/srbrakevan Includes one from 1991. Some were also built for the MoD during WW2 and had long lives on their internal systems. Paul Bartlett Paul Bartlett

Yes, I didn't say you couldn't have some weathered wagons. But, are you sure that they are 108/109s? The really big years for building the latter are 1955-57, when Pressed Steel alone were building c200 per week, and they would have been dirty, but not necessarily very bashed about. Certainly by 1965-6 there were a lot of very weathered steel minerals about http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmineralweld/e3f67f9ca http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmineralweld/e3eb3f5af All I was saying was that heavy weathering could be overdone for a loco type which had basically gone by 1960. The black panels are interesting. Large panels were being used on other steel bodied wagons from 1952, but I simply could not find any new build 16t minerals with them. I stress new build (and if someone does have photos then these would be very interesting). Chas Roberts for example was using the split box upto 1957. But large boxes do seem to be quite normal at repainting, so by 1960 is common on pre108/109s and was beginning to appear on these as well. Paul Bartlett

I don't want to be a kill joy, but please remember that it is the 3F that is old, many of the mineral wagons were relatively new (especially with Morton brake) when the last 3Fs hit the rails. Weathering to show use of just a few years is very difficult - a few bits of damage, unlikely to be much replating, but varying amounts of dirt. New build mineral wagons often show up in the backgrounds of prototype photos of this period. Some of yours are showing light weathering and I like it. I have also been looking at the lettering panels recently. Yours are correct for this period - separate for the tonnage and number. [Other wagons from 1952 like double door minerals, iron ore tipplers appear to have had single large box from new]. But single large box seems quite usual on repainting - so it is common by c1960 on the independently braked steel minerals and being introduced for the earlier Morton brake wagons. Paul Bartlett

I see what you mean. Sorry no idea but I didn't notice it there last week when I took http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/kirowswitchcross but I probably didn't look very hard. I am slowly convincing Julie that checking out these sidings is part of any walk to my Dads place when the weather is nice. So I'll keep an eye out for it. Paul Bartlett

Dear all I have posted a photograph of an EWS fuel trailer at http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/road/e2bb3da71 It looks quite new? I've not seen this before, but I live slightly nearer into town than the works and it is likely that this comes direct to the works from the ring road. Paul Bartlett

Yes, so are ours - the Wood pigeons are back from visiting their country cousins, and the Goldfinches are queueing up (9 Sunday afternoon). Even had a greenfinch drop by, which I rarely see. Both front and back garden Robins are around and there are a lot of Tits. The sparrows never went away and remain the commonest bird. What we don't have in any numbers are starlings. Paul Bartlett