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I use the sticky pads to hold the tortoise while I make sure its working the point correctly. I then place two screws diagonally across from each other. I also found that if the wood was sealed then the pads got a better grip.

I use this method as well. The sticky tape will take out any unevenness in the tortoise base plate as well as holding the motor while the screws are fitted. I use only two screws in opposite corners. I also make sure that the adjustable fulcrum is set so that the point blades are not held over too firmly. They only need to be held over not welded shut. Tony.

Having done some more research I can say the missing bit of pipework along the RH footplate edge (Hanging plate) is not missing at all. That pipe is the ATC conduit which, at the point it stops, should go through the footplate and up the front of the cab into the control gear in the cab, Unfortunately Oxford Rail has missed a bit of pipe out but not the bit along the edge of the footplate. I understand that locos were only fitted with ATC after 1930/1 so any loco intended to be prior to that date needs the pipework removed entirely. This would include 2309 and the WW1 variant of course. Hope the information is of some help to someone in case they think their loco is missing some ATC conduit.

Quite possible but I'm sure its an easy fix ?

Its not the time limit its the volume. I love sound myself but it must be realistic. A model loco should not make the same volume of sound as a full size loco. During a visit to a UK show some years ago I can remember when a right row broke out between two exhibitors about the volume of sound. One exhibitor has a US themed layout with sound which seemed to come out like a hi-fi at full blast. It was horrendous. As regards to running problems. Its not restricted to DCC alone. Dirty track & dirty wheels are available in DC flavour as well. Tony.

A good quality underlay will help keep any noise down to the minimum.

I presume that price is a joke or is he related to someone from Cartmel Undamaged ! Look at the condition of the box.

Thanks for proving my point

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Hi Russ. I would run them on DC first just to make sure its not a loco problem rather than a decoder problem. Tony.

Nice looking panels. Are they plastic face aluminium or are they white all the way through ? Tony.

Do you find it difficult to change the points on screen as they seem very small or do you use a stylus ?

Have to say the plain green model looks a lot better than the first effort. Unfortunately its still riddled with mistakes but I guess most modellers won't worry about that. Disappointed with Oxfords effort on the Deans Goods but I suppose it was made to a price & when you do that something has to suffer. A bit more research could have made this a very fine model but then it might have cost a lot more I'm sure.

June 1937.

Thanks Alan I've seen that one. I asked AAH but the answers I got back were kind of vague. Thanks John. I'd heard about the 4 difference but up to now I couldn't get an answer as to whether the Z21 would actually work with NCE items. Do I understand so that I can use the existing accessory decoder numbers taking the 4 difference into account. I also understand that in the latest app there is a switch box to fix the 4 difference. Do you use circuit breakers in your system ? Thanks for that. I saw that fix in a YouTube video.

This thread is about the Z21 app so I wouldn't want to spoil it with questions not related to the app. I will however ask two quick questions if I may & I won't bother the thread any further with questions after that. I have an NCE Power Pro wireless system on my layout. (1) If I got a Z21 for my workbench is there any way I could get the NCE system to work through the Z21 sniffer port or in any other way if I wanted to move the Z21 to my layout ? I have been told by someone else that I can't. (2) Can the Z21 work with my mainly NCE accessory decoders like switch it's, switch 8's + various circuit breakers etc ? Thanks everyone. Tony.

Hi Everybody. There is some information on the new app here. The quality of the video isn't great with a lot of reflections but I think you will get some information from it. I don't have a Z21 myself but was thinking of getting one for my workbench. To be honest I was looking for a reason to buy one As an older modeller i really like to look of it & the way you can see everything you're doing on screen without having to remember lots of numbers etc. I have an NCE Power Pro system at present & was trying to find out if there was anyway to use the Z21 with it. It appears there isn't so I will stick with the NCE system I think. I sent two emails to Roco but even thought I received an automated acknowledgement I never actually got a reply from them. I also sent two emails to Scograil but again no replies which was extremely disappointing. The Yahoo Z21 group was equally pretty useless. I just found it extremely difficult to get solid answers to my questions. Anyway enjoy the video & I hope its of some help to you. Regards. Tony.

Rails having a flash sale on the Deans Goods. https://railsofsheffield.com/

Did you run in the loco before fitting the chip ? Make sure the wheels & track are clean.

Thanks for that Nigel. Good explanation. Tony.

Yes as I've said elsewhere the advantage Roco has is the graphics & the friendly way it allows users to see everything they are doing right in front of them. The Wi-Fi aspect of the Roco is also a good idea although the wireless aspect is nothing new. My NCE Power Pro system is wireless so I can walk around the layout with just a throttle in my hand & no wires attached. I've had my NCE system for years. I was surprised that you couldn't run a loco on the layout & program another on the program track at the same time. There's not much point in having two throttles on your tablet & having to stop everything just to use the program track. I'm sure there's a good reason but I think Roco may have missed a trick there ?

You could wire the power feed for the 2nd tortoise through one of the switches of the first tortoise. That way if the first tortoise isn't set correctly you can't throw the 2nd tortoise ?

While looking around for prices on the Z21 system I spotted this on Scograil ? ** Please note we have had to put a temporary hold on selling the latest version of the back Z21 as a hardware upgrade has introduced a fault with some of the decoder reading. As soon as ROCO fix the issue, we will put these back on sale. Sorry for any inconvenience. **** Anyone throw any light on this ?

I can only suggest that the taking out of the decoder had something to do with it. Could have been a dirty pin or socket in the decoder socket of the loco. Try the first decoder in the Mallard again & see if the problem returns ? Sometimes particular decoders don't work well with some locos for some reason ?

Hi Everyone. I was hoping that the Z21 would be able to run a loco on the main / layout while programming a loco on a separate program track at the same time but Vecchio has said otherwise. Thanks Vecchio for going to the trouble of checking that out for me. Is there any system which allows a loco to run on the main while programming another loco on a program track at the same time ? Even though the Roco app allows two control panels on screen at the same time the basic software underneath is no different to my NCE Power Pro 5 amp system which must be 10 years old now. The NCE system has programming on the main as well. The big advantage of the Z21 seems to be the graphics ? This is not a criticism of Roco, just to say that despite the advances in technology underneath nothing has advanced that much ? EDIT: Further thought came to mind. If you plug a handheld controller into the front of the Z21 or use a wireless throttle with the Z21 do they switch off as well when go to the program track using the Roco app ? Tony.