Preserved Mk1/2/etc. coaches in non-BR liveries

[eldomtom2]

Looking for photos of the above. If anyone knows anything about models produced of them that'd be great too.

[G-BOAF]

Probably not quite what you were asking for, but one of the Mk2Cs exported to Israel is now preserved in their railway museum in Haifa, in its final in-service livery. Internally it has gained a multi-media projector, one toilet is the 'projection room' for film displays, and it is trimmed with NSE moquette (as is another coach of continental European origin - quite when and how Israel got hold of this moquette I don't know! Perhaps @Chen Melling can advise.... I would hazard a guess that in both cases these are preservation recoverings using surplus imported materials)

 

 

Crewe Heritage was also home to an Anglia-liveried Mk2F DBSO, but I believe it has now moved elsewhere for restoration by its Crewe-based owning group and presumably will be gaining new colours when completed

 

There are a number of ex-Caledonian sleeper Mk2s vehicles that have entered preservation or charter use (e.g. Eastern Rail Services) that probably have not yet been repainted.

 

You are unlikely to see any non-BR Mk1s (even the last few Mk1s that survived into privatisation on North Wales Coast services ended their days in de-branded regional railways livery, as did the last 2-3 Mk1 RMBs in service on the Anglia mainline which stayed in Intercity colours. The only 'non-BR livery that I can think of, aside from unrestored departmental conversions (e.g. Balfour Beatty) would be the 3(?) WCRC Maroon Pullmans, which are technically an invented non-BR livery, along with maybe some 'Pullman livery' Mk1s e.g. GCR dining train. Plus a TSO on the Bluebell that entered preservation in Bicester Military Railway livery (albeit basically WR choc-cream)

 

Bicester Mk1:

http://www.bluebell-railway.co.uk/bluebell/pic2/mk1/4754.html

 

WCRC Maroon Pullman livery - Two of these were done as a Collectors Club release, and also not particularly difficult to do from a reverse blue-grey RTR one (this livery being easier than Pullman livery as a starting point as the roof is basically the correct colour)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/camperdown/6812160647/

 

And on some level the Royal Scotsman Mk1 Pullman Rebuilds - very much a 'private sector' livery, albeit commercially 'preserved'

https://coaches-library.weebly.com/mk1---royal-scotsman.html

 

Edited March 16, 2022 by G-BOAF

[eldomtom2]

2 hours ago, G-BOAF said:

The only 'non-BR livery that I can think of, aside from unrestored departmental conversions (e.g. Balfour Beatty) would be the 3(?) WCRC Maroon Pullmans, which are technically an invented non-BR livery, along with maybe some 'Pullman livery' Mk1s e.g. GCR dining train.

I am specifically looking for "fictious" liveries of that nature, that are original to preservation.

[G-BOAF]

11 hours ago, eldomtom2 said:

I am specifically looking for "fictious" liveries of that nature, that are original to preservation.

 

KESR had/has some 'own brand' liveried coaches, dark green with single yellow lining and non-BR typeface. e.g. RMB and TSO on this page

https://kesr.org.uk/our-heritage/carriages/

 

Also Gloucestershire Warwickshire railway (and possibly West Somerset as well) have their own crests on coach sides instead of the BR coach crests.

Dartmouth Steam Railway has name panels on some coaches, and others which, while in chocolate and cream, have chocolate window surrounds, so would very much be a non-BR livery.

[Steven B]

Early privatisation saw a couple of example:

Mk2 based Blue-Pullman

Waterman Railways - LNWR inspired Mk1s and Mk2s - the Mk1s were more ornately finished.

 

A number of preserved railways have painted standard Mk1 into Pullman colours to run with their actual Pullman coaches on dinning trains.

 

There are also examples of Mk1s carrying Crimson/Cream which built after the transition to maroon.

 

Steven B.

[Steamport Southport]

Whilst they were originally owned by BR the L&HR were running the Sealink coaches at one point.

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/wolfie59/8578886800/

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/89542201@N03/8154404014/

 

I think one was also at the Dart Valley and ISTR one might have been at the ELR.

 

There was also the Pilkington set used for railtours.

 

 

Also in the early years of the Keighley and Worth Valley Railway some of the carriages were painted into fictitious liveries. As were some of the locomotives. Definitely some early withdrawal Mark Ones involved and ISTR some DMU trailer cars.

 

 

 

Jason

[Chen Melling]

On 16/03/2022 at 23:26, G-BOAF said:

Probably not quite what you were asking for, but one of the Mk2Cs exported to Israel is now preserved in their railway museum in Haifa, in its final in-service livery. Internally it has gained a multi-media projector, one toilet is the 'projection room' for film displays, and it is trimmed with NSE moquette (as is another coach of continental European origin - quite when and how Israel got hold of this moquette I don't know! Perhaps @Chen Melling can advise.... I would hazard a guess that in both cases these are preservation recoverings using surplus imported materials)

 

 

 

The NSE-esque in Israel Railways' preserved Mk. 2C is not authentic, and was installed after preservation in the Israel Railway Museum. However, it was not from specially imported material, but from moquette stock used by IR in the late 1990s to cover the seats in all coaching stock being refurbished at the time. Hence its presence in several of the European-built carriages in our collection, which were left as-withdrawn. The interior of preserved Yugoslav-built no. 609 seen below is representative of these.


The Mark 2Cs were not given this new trim in service as by the time IR started using it they were already on their way out, the last being withdrawn in 1997-8.

[The Evil Bus Driver]

On 16/04/2022 at 19:07, Chen Melling said:

The NSE-esque in Israel Railways' preserved Mk. 2C is not authentic, and was installed after preservation in the Israel Railway Museum. However, it was not from specially imported material, but from moquette stock used by IR in the late 1990s to cover the seats in all coaching stock being refurbished at the time. Hence its presence in several of the European-built carriages in our collection, which were left as-withdrawn. The interior of preserved Yugoslav-built no. 609 seen below is representative of these.


The Mark 2Cs were not given this new trim in service as by the time IR started using it they were already on their way out, the last being withdrawn in 1997-8.

That actually looks very strange indeed. Familiar but not, if you know what I mean. I've seen the moquette on (road) coach seats as well so it must be available somewhere.

[ess1uk]

I’m fairly sure Northampton and Lamport Railway has coaches in its own livery 

[russ p]

Didn't the Wensleydale railway have some own livery mk2s? I know it had some dmus in there own livery 

I think the moors had a couple of mk1s in green and cream and had a large number in unlined maroon with their own crests in white plus their own numbers 

[john new]

Confirm NYMR in the very early days used a version of the LNER tourist green/cream for an in-house livery. That was then dropped in favour of the stock using original liveries.

 

Edited June 19, 2022 by john new

[Rhydgaled]

On 16/03/2022 at 23:42, eldomtom2 said:

I am specifically looking for "fictious" liveries of that nature, that are original to preservation.

The Gwili railway has (or had) some coaches in green with a red stripe down the side. I'm not sure but I think they are mark 1s. At least one of the coaches also had some writing on it and a red symbol (this can be seen here: https://www.visitcarmarthenshire.co.uk/view/31-gwili-railway/#image-3 - the first green coach in the formation). I can't find a clear picture now, but I seem to recall seeing one once which showed that the red symbol is in fact the logo of Felinfoel brewery (one of the Gwili's locomotives, which has now moved to the Severn Valley Railway, is or was owned by the brewery and has a plaque showing the brewery logo).

[KeithHC]

Weren't a couple of cie former MK1s reimported.

 

Keith

[papagolfjuliet]

On 19/06/2022 at 17:13, john new said:

Confirm NYMR in the very early days used a version of the LNER tourist green/cream for an in-house livery. That was then dropped in favour of the stock using original liveries.

 

 

It was however only applied to one Mk.1 during that period, SO No.4481 which latterly carried an ersatz unlined Pullman livery before being blown up for an ITV documentary about terrorism! The livery was also applied to the two Class 100 DMU sets, the AC Cars railbus, the three Class 126 buffet cars which served as camping coaches and a static buffet car at Goathland, and Gresley buffet No.9135.

 

The livery was later revived for camping coaches and static sleeping cars and is currently worn by the following vehicles:

 

http://www.cs.rhrp.org.uk/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=1897

http://www.cs.rhrp.org.uk/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=3584

http://www.cs.rhrp.org.uk/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=1616

http://www.cs.rhrp.org.uk/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=69

 

As mentioned above, many NYMR Mk.1s were also painted in the later house livery of unlined maroon with shaded letters, and the white NYMR roundel amidships.

 

The two Mk.1s at Glenfinnan station museum also carry LNER tourist stock livery: 

 

http://www.cs.rhrp.org.uk/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=1891

http://www.cs.rhrp.org.uk/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=1253

 

A few other examples of Mk.1s in fictitious pre-nationalisation liveries:

Severn Valley based experimental FO No.3083 carried scumbled 'teak' livery for a while (scroll down for photo): http://www.cs.rhrp.org.uk/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=1218

 

A Mk.1 BFK at the Lochty Private Railway was painted in an approximation of Caledonian Railway livery: https://www.flickr.com/photos/126029278@N04/49784223596

(It still is, just about: http://www.cs.rhrp.org.uk/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=1584)

 

 

A Mk.1 SO in green and cream at Fort Steele Historical Museum in British Columbia, which can be seen in the slideshow here: https://crownofthecontinent.net/entries/fort-steele-heritage-town-fort-steele-british-columbia/995a6dbb-bbcf-4f33-af9f-5dc7ff7705ee

 

Most of the Strathspey Railway's carriage fleet used to wear a livery of dark plum and cream: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strathspey_Railway_(preserved)#/media/File:Boat_of_Garten_station_geograph-3267592-by-Ben-Brooksbank.jpg

 

And of course Pullman liveried Mk1s can be found at the KESR, GCR, NYMR and elsewhere.

[papagolfjuliet]

On 18/03/2022 at 02:58, Steamport Southport said:

 

 

Also in the early years of the Keighley and Worth Valley Railway some of the carriages were painted into fictitious liveries. As were some of the locomotives. Definitely some early withdrawal Mark Ones involved and ISTR some DMU trailer cars.

 

 

The Metropolitan coaches carried two liveries in the early days of the Worth Valley: blue and primrose yellow, and red and cream. One of the W&M railbuses wore a bright red livery (I think Heljan have announced a forthcoming model of this), the SECR brake was also bright red, the bulleid coach was a very light green, and there was a red Class 126 buffet car with a thick white bodyside stripe which I believe was subsequently scrapped and which can be seen in the sixth photo here: https://preservedbritishsteamlocomotives.com/gnr-990-henry-oakley-gnr-990-lner-3990/ 

[uax6]

9 minutes ago, papagolfjuliet said:

 

The Metropolitan coaches carried two liveries in the early days of the Worth Valley: blue and primrose yellow, and red and cream. One of the W&M railbuses wore a bright red livery (I think Heljan have announced a forthcoming model of this), the SECR brake was also bright red, the bulleid coach was a very light green, and there was a red Class 126 buffet car with a thick white bodyside stripe which I believe was subsequently scrapped and which can be seen in the sixth photo here: https://preservedbritishsteamlocomotives.com/gnr-990-henry-oakley-gnr-990-lner-3990/ 

 

I believe the buffet was a class 111 Metro-cam one. Now at the GCR.

 

Andy G

[37114]

On 18/07/2022 at 19:52, KeithHC said:

Weren't a couple of cie former MK1s reimported.

 

Keith

Yep they were steam heat generators if I recall, at least one made it to the GWSR where I think the plan was for it to provide heat at Diesel galas for locos not fitted with a boiler (eg 37215, 47376). I believe it has since moved on however.

[russ p]

34 minutes ago, uax6 said:

 

I believe the buffet was a class 111 Metro-cam one. Now at the GCR.

 

Andy G

 

It's red livery wasn't to dissimilar to the WYPTE livery on class 144s and 155s don't know if there was any connection 

[Michael Hodgson]

I recall visiting the Crewe Heritage Centre some years ago and finding some foreign-looking coaches in a siding there.  I think the faded "livery" was meant to be Russian, but on closer inspection it wasn't a paint job but additional panelling fastened to the outside of a few vehicles of Mark 1 stock, for use in some film.  Mark 1 stock in corrugated iron livery!!

[37114]

1 hour ago, Michael Hodgson said:

I recall visiting the Crewe Heritage Centre some years ago and finding some foreign-looking coaches in a siding there.  I think the faded "livery" was meant to be Russian, but on closer inspection it wasn't a paint job but additional panelling fastened to the outside of a few vehicles of Mark 1 stock, for use in some film.  Mark 1 stock in corrugated iron livery!!

Yep used for the James Bond film Golden Eye, 20188 was used as well

 

[Colin_McLeod]

Plenty of non BR mk2s ran in Ireland north and south.  The Railway Preservation Society of Ireland has a preserved rake in RPSI green livery.

A quick google will bring up images.

[MyRule1]

The current Nov/Dec issue of Traction magazine has a illustrated article on Mk1's  in non standard liveries.

[rogerzilla]

I saw a Mk2 in blood and custard in a YouTube video.  Not in the least bit prototypical but it looked really good.

[Steven B]

A Mk2 in blood & custard is completely prototypical - just not if you're modelling the 1950s...

 

Steven B.

Edited October 3, 2022 by Steven B

[Colin_McLeod]

On 03/10/2022 at 13:52, Steven B said:

A Mk2 in blood & custard is completely prototypical - just not if you're modelling the 1950s...

 

Steven B.

 

A variation of blood and custard was the NIR suburban livery of the late 1980s.  Mk2 based 80 class.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Edited October 12, 2022 by Colin_McLeod
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