joejab95 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Thought I'd set up a dedicated thread, as I'm extremely excited for these! Cut and paste from Andy Y's 2018 announcement thread Class 170 DMU44 x two-car and 89 x three-car units were built between 1998 and 2005 for Porterbrook Leasing Company and HSBC Rail. The units have seen service with a considerable number of operators both past and present. Current operators are Cross Country, Greater Anglia, ScotRail and West Midlands Trains.35-625 Class 170/1 3-Car DMU No. 170104 in Cross Country liveryNew Tooling Photo by Neil Downing35-626 Class 170/4 3-Car DMU No. 170453 in ScotRail (Saltire) liveryNew Tooling Class 171 DMU9 x two-car and 6 x four-car units were built between 2003 and 2005 for Porterbrook Leasing Company for use on Southern’s Uckfield branch which is not electrified. Photo by Dan Adkins35-580 Class 171 2-Car DMU No. 171722 in Southern liveryNew Tooling Class 168/3 DMU9 x two-car Class 170 units were obtained by Chiltern from First TransPennine Express which were subsequently converted to operate with the existing Class 168 fleet and re-designated as Class 168/3. Photo by Joseph Porter35-560 Class 168 2-Car DMU No. 168327 in Chiltern Railways liveryNew Tooling, represents Class 168/3s that were reclassified from 170s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejab95 Posted January 8, 2018 Author Share Posted January 8, 2018 (edited) According to Bachmann, the second generation DMU models will all feature the following: These use all-new tooling and feature a low-level drive mechanism with DCC provision (previous models did not have any DCC provision). Switchable day and night modes. Illuminated destination blinds. Functional BSI couplings on outer ends. Conductive coupling meaning only one decoder is required for DCC operation. Easy access DCC decoder fitting. Edited January 8, 2018 by joejab95 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamperman36 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 So how long are we going to have to wait to see some actual models, afterall we're still waiting to see even an EP of the retooled 158. Don't mean to put everyone on a downer but just pointing out the elephant in the room. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamish_barb Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 So how long are we going to have to wait to see some actual models, afterall we're still waiting to see even an EP of the retooled 158. Don't mean to put everyone on a downer but just pointing out the elephant in the room. Wasn't Bachmann's new site meant to be up and running by now? No word on release dates thus far! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRDBLUE17 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 I must admit the Saltire 170 to the new spec caught my eye on this years releases. They will look good alongside the Realtrack 156’s which have raised the bar for DMU’s. Cheers Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted January 8, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 8, 2018 I can sense all those who have paid a massive fortune in Ebay for the Limited Edition Southern 171's will probably be panicking right now, they will be all but worthless when the new one surfaces. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke_stevens Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Wasn't Bachmann's new site meant to be up and running by now? No word on release dates thus far! Bachmann's new site has been active a little while now. http://news.Bachmann.co.uk/ Not sure how much more it will tell you. Luke 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Simon Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Hi, It'll be interesting to see if the Class 171's will have functional dellner couplings instead of BSI couplings, otherwise it's not really a 171! Simon 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyman7 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 I can sense all those who have paid a massive fortune in Ebay for the Limited Edition Southern 171's will probably be panicking right now, they will be all but worthless when the new one surfaces. Worth less maybe, but I doubt worthless. Mind you my 9 year old will be happy if they fall to within his financial grasp. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Hi, It'll be interesting to see if the Class 171's will have functional dellner couplings instead of BSI couplings, otherwise it's not really a 171! Simon It would be nice if they did that, but, somehow, I doubt they'll tool up yet another coupling variation. Personally, I would be happy to have the working couplings that look even reasonably like the real ones, BSI or Delner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
159220 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 So how long are we going to have to wait to see some actual models, afterall we're still waiting to see even an EP of the retooled 158. Don't mean to put everyone on a downer but just pointing out the elephant in the room. To be fair to Bachmann, they have been very open and upfront in stating originally when the new chassis class 158 was announced, it was just that, a new chassis. Since then, the market has moved on and we now demand true high detailed models (at the high price point). As such Bachmann set of to fully re-tool the class 158 from the base up. Naturally made sense the 159 would be possible with a centre car slide being working into the overall tooling. Luckily I worked out the 159 would be forthcoming and now since positive eBay sales I am confident when the SWT 159 livery is announced, I can afford two for the three old tooling 159s I have sold. Modelling doesn't have to cost as much as you think. (Seeing as I got my three SWT 159s for £64 each I am laughing) As for the Turbostar family, it was then apparent to anyone who listened to Bachmann, the new low floor chassis was to be applied across the range of DMUs. The Turbostar is the first, but certainly not the last. Seeing since the decision to fully reset the class 158 project, it has progressed fairly well through the R&D (as you can imagine, alot more research was needed to allow for all the detailed differences to the bodies, now they were to be re-tooled). We were told in the summer that the R&D was complete, the CADs were seen at Warley and now we are informed it is in the tool room. One would expect EP samples to be seen at Ally Pally show. A very interesting year if you are a modern modeller. Applying this to the Turbostar, I would perhaps expect for this project to work through the process fairly speedily. The Mk2f, 90 and 158 appears to be going full steam now, why not the 170. (They then need to move on and apply the new low floor chassis to the 166 and 220/221) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 (They then need to move on and apply the new low floor chassis to the 166 and 220/221) I don’t know that they need to but I sure as heck need them to! Like joejab95, I’m excited by these. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted January 9, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 9, 2018 (edited) I know I’m not well informed about contemporary operations, but while the 171s are certainly the mainstay of the Uckfield line, as Bachmann suggests, they also perform on the Marshlink - called the Ponderosa in my time on the South Eastern - between Hastings and Ashford. Indeed, the 171 photo appears to be on the line near St Leonards, West Marina depot, presumably heading for Eastbourne. As an aside, Ashford would appear to be a sort of Star Centre, with Turbostars, Eurostars and Electrostars, as well as Javelins. Edited January 9, 2018 by Oldddudders 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Budgie Posted January 9, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 9, 2018 As an aside, Ashford would appear to be a sort of Star Centre, with Turbostars, Eurostars and Electrostars, as well as Javelins. A model of an Electrostar would be nice. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Does the DCC version come with changable Destination blinds? The model looks very impressive. Hope it follows the 158 quickly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
locoholic Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 As an aside, Ashford would appear to be a sort of Star Centre, with Turbostars, Eurostars and Electrostars... Star centre? Ashford is more like a black hole... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted January 9, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 9, 2018 The 171's (two car variety) currently work the heavily overcrowded service to/from Ashford International right through to Brighton. It's to be cut back to Eastbourne at some point with rumours of it being handed over to SouthEastern at some point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejab95 Posted January 9, 2018 Author Share Posted January 9, 2018 It certainly looks like Bachmann have got going on their Class 90 and mk2fs and both look excellent. The additions of the Class 159 and GWR Class 158 to the range certainly suggests that work on the 158 model is progressing well. If the chassis will be shared across these modern DMUs, I'm sure that the 170 will not be too far behind. Following on from those, I could definitely see either a 166 or 175 on the drawing board in the future, using the same low profile chassis. Regarding the BSI couplers, I'm very interested to see what they come up with. Like others, I'm wondering if the couplers will be sold as stand alone spares and usable on existing models? I'd very much like to get some for my Hornby Class 153 and Bachmann 150s if they were compatible - but that's wishful thinking of course! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombatofludham Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 It would be nice if by some fluke the working outer couplers were available and could be used with Hornby's 153 given they spend a lot of their time coupled to 170s in the Midlands! The news that the 170 is using the new 158 mechanicals does give a good clue as to why Bachmann pulled the GWR 166, I wouldn't be surprised to see a new 166 announced next year with a Voyager. Like or loathe them the Voyagers are going to be around for a few years yet so will be a bread and butter model for the range. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke_stevens Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 A model of an Electrostar would be nice. My hope is that the new Turbostar chassis mechanism (even if the wrong length) will allow Bachman to start working through the Electrostar range in years to come... Luke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 3 car 159 weighing in at £310. I’m not moaning cos I don’t need one, but the days of impulse buying and buying for future layouts appear to be over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamish_barb Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 3 car 159 weighing in at £310. I’m not moaning cos I don’t need one, but the days of impulse buying and buying for future layouts appear to be over. What 3 car 159 has been announced? Haven't seen anything? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottrains29 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I wonder if Bachmann will retool the class 150, Again? This time with the 158/170 style underfloor/ low level drive. Why they didn't do this on the first retool I don't know, especially since the main problem was the visable drive mech. With Realtrack and Dapol producing superb DMUs with no visible drive mech, even the recently retooled class 150 with it's big drive mech blocking out an entire window starts to look quite dated. The class 350 also has this same visible drive. I hope Bachmann can design a hidden low level drive mech that they can also use on any future EMU units as well DMUs. EMUs tend to have far less gubbins under the floor in which to conceal a drive mech. I am looking forward to seeing the new 158/170. Looking at the spec, these should be great models. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamish_barb Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 To be fair to Bachmann, they have been very open and upfront in stating originally when the new chassis class 158 was announced, it was just that, a new chassis. Since then, the market has moved on and we now demand true high detailed models (at the high price point). As such Bachmann set of to fully re-tool the class 158 from the base up. Naturally made sense the 159 would be possible with a centre car slide being working into the overall tooling. Luckily I worked out the 159 would be forthcoming and now since positive eBay sales I am confident when the SWT 159 livery is announced, I can afford two for the three old tooling 159s I have sold. Modelling doesn't have to cost as much as you think. (Seeing as I got my three SWT 159s for £64 each I am laughing) As for the Turbostar family, it was then apparent to anyone who listened to Bachmann, the new low floor chassis was to be applied across the range of DMUs. The Turbostar is the first, but certainly not the last. Seeing since the decision to fully reset the class 158 project, it has progressed fairly well through the R&D (as you can imagine, alot more research was needed to allow for all the detailed differences to the bodies, now they were to be re-tooled). We were told in the summer that the R&D was complete, the CADs were seen at Warley and now we are informed it is in the tool room. One would expect EP samples to be seen at Ally Pally show. A very interesting year if you are a modern modeller. Applying this to the Turbostar, I would perhaps expect for this project to work through the process fairly speedily. The Mk2f, 90 and 158 appears to be going full steam now, why not the 170. (They then need to move on and apply the new low floor chassis to the 166 and 220/221) As someone that only models modern railway trains, I'm very happy with the announcements from Hornby and Bachmann. It's going to be an expensive year, well few years actually, as these retools mean a lot of older liveries are going to be back. Like you, luckily I picked up some of the rarer liveries for quite cheap (Class 159 SWT for £90, class 221 cross country for £100, class 166 FGW for £100), so don't mind buying the brand new ones and selling these for around what I paid for them. Some of the prices I've seen the 221 cross country go for are insane. A retooled 221 which can be coupled together to form a 10 car consist would be amazing! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
159220 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 What 3 car 159 has been announced? Haven't seen anything? See: http://news.Bachmann.co.uk/2018/01/branchline-2018-new-releases/ Sadly just at NSE one, but I am sure the SWT liveries shall be forthcoming in future years. RRP is £309.95, but with 15% off and free postage, £263.99: http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/p/59412/31-520-Bachmann-Class-159-3-Car-DMU-159013-BR-Network-SouthEast 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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