46256 Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 One thing probably mentioned earlier but no harm in repeating. The wealth of rtr has not only had an impact on the kit markit....but also the makers and suppliers of the detailing parts which can lift our models out of the ordinary. I appreciate, as evidenced by countless reviews...the ordinary is now pretty outstanding. I visited the Warley show last year and was saddened to see how few of these suppliers were in attendance. I am aware , one factor , the costs of exhibiting there , but still a sad indicator of the reduced availability of these parts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted November 7, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 7, 2015 We made Tony's day today at Wolverhampton show. He got to play with blue diesels, on an EM layout by using DCC. 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefrk Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 I was going to comment about the look of concentration on Tony's face but I think it was more like consternation. Nice one. Dave Franks Don't worry Tony, I was the same on Mostyn once.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium t-b-g Posted November 7, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 7, 2015 We made Tony's day today at Wolverhampton show. He got to play with blue diesels, on an EM layout by using DCC. rps20151107_180921.jpg rps20151107_181804.jpg But he isn't exactly smiling about it is he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indomitable026 Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 I hope he didn't notice some of the stock was compensated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Herbert Nigel Posted November 7, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 7, 2015 I was going to comment about the look of concentration on Tony's face but I think it was more like consternation. Isn't that guilt? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 But he isn't exactly smiling about it is he? No, but isn't it good to step outside a comfort zone? Tony took it very well and spent quite a bit of time with us. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted November 7, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 7, 2015 did you superglue the handset to his hand? :-) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted November 7, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 7, 2015 did you superglue the handset to his hand? :-) No, but there was a valiant attempt to step backwards and dodge the photo... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted November 7, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 7, 2015 I was going to comment about the look of concentration on Tony's face but I think it was more like consternation. Isn't that guilt? He do look like he is pretending not to be there.......DCC, and blue diesels :swoon: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted November 7, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 7, 2015 I remember 31401 well, it was a regular on the Cardiff - Pompey trains. I lived in Warminster and was a regular spotter at Westbury and Bath Road from about '73 through to the early eighties. Jerry And funny that both my Bath Road 31s are the IDs they had originally. Just need to sort a running issue with 154 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted November 7, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 7, 2015 But he isn't exactly smiling about it is he? That's a look of deep concentration... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 "Where's the knob?" "WTF....." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougN Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 What ever you do don't press that button..... Where's Andy gone? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted November 8, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 8, 2015 (edited) rps20151107_180921.jpg I wonder if this thing does 0900 numbers..............? Andy Y looks on, knowing that the adult block is on. Cheers, Mick Edited November 8, 2015 by newbryford Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougN Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Well all this discussion about kit building (or lack of it!) has got me to start a Martin Finney standard LNER tender for a V2 in P4! I have to be compliment Martin when he designed the kit it fits together so easily. So this doesn't match Tony's philosophy, as it is compensated etc the main thing is the kit has catered for all the versions. So far the tender has taken about 6hrs and the majority of the tender is built. The interesting thing and no doubt every one may have experienced this... Is some kits you use every tool in the tool box and this one I can list the following- 8ba tap - for installing the body fixing nuts...so I don't solder the bolt in as well A flat needle file Etch shears Rail shears Dremel with a wire brush to remove excess solder 1 pack of fine 5sided reamers for opening out the fine holes. Micro drills (but less so since using the reamers) A temperature controlled soldering iron. Hold and fold 5" A block of pine as a drill surface and to stop burning holes in the cutting mat. A rivet press. I find this a surprisingly short list. We have all experienced the poor kit but when you experience the top level kit it is a joy to build which produces the down side that they end up happening too quickly! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr.king Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Tony looks about as comfortable as I do when a DCC handset has to be used! Mind you, I have nothing against compensation of locos and rolling stock in appropriate circumstances. Most techniques have a place, somewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 did you superglue the handset to his hand? :-) More likely to be soldered surely? Stewart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr.king Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 And he wouldn't even flinch while you did it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium wagonbasher Posted November 8, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 8, 2015 And he wouldn't even flinch while you did it. I'm sure when Tony gets back at his desk he will comment himself.. BCB had a great weekend at Wolves, a little short of crew so we had to work harder than normal though the attendance was low so we had time to chat to lots of punters especially since they all had something in common with the location. tony spent time with us both days and I think he enjoyed having a go. We have a great hobby and as normal I learnt stuff.. things that make me want to model more, that's what it's all about, Andy 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tony Wright Posted November 8, 2015 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 8, 2015 We made Tony's day today at Wolverhampton show. He got to play with blue diesels, on an EM layout by using DCC. rps20151107_180921.jpg rps20151107_181804.jpg Thanks Chris, I think it's safe to say that I look much better the other side of a camera (I expect a record 'agree' ratings here). Though I know I'll never be converted, I was very impressed with the running on BCB (though there were a few derailments!). I like the idea particularly that one drives the trains from a gadget, but points and signals are operated 'properly', from separate 'boxes. Where everything is controlled from one whatever it's called, I think is a recipe for confusion and I think the group was wise to split the two functions. Never having seen the layout before, I thought it was brilliant - like-minded souls pooling resources to produce a modern classic. Strangely, it didn't bother me that there wasn't a kit-built loco to be seen, but all the RTR diesels had been detailed/modified/renumbered/weathered to perfection, as had the rolling stock. I actually had another go today, when nobody was around, and didn't cock-up! The means of displaying which loco is to run is both beautifully-simple and 100% reliable. No need at all for the nonsense of a computer telling operators what to do. I actually took the time to take some pictures, too. Llawrglyn in EM by Richard Loydall is exquisite. Because it represents the Cambrian in 1912, kit-building is obligatory. During the journey from Warwick, a point motor was knocked off the underside of the baseboard and was my great pleasure to help Richard fix it. Thanks to John and Owen Gibbon for providing the glue, and for providing the soldering iron to fix a point on another layout. Terry Yeend's Lough represents a WR shed scene of the '50s/'60s. The 9F has been brilliantly built by Tony Geary and the Semi is from Tower Models. 31 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mark Forrest Posted November 8, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 8, 2015 Good to see you today and yesterday Tony, glad you liked BCB and enjoyed having a drive. Thanks in particular for the complements on the locos and stock - one small correction, Arthur Ormrod's DE2 shunter (from the Judith Edge kit) was on duty in the yard. The good news is that several years of building wagon kits and modifying RTR locos has given me the confidence and enthusiasm to tackle some loco kits for my next project. Fair comment about the derailments on BCB; we're aware of the causes and have an idea of what needs to be done to rectify. Next time the layout is out is Wigan next year, you're welcome to have another go if you are there. Cheers, Mark 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted November 9, 2015 Author Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) Good to see you today and yesterday Tony, glad you liked BCB and enjoyed having a drive. Thanks in particular for the complements on the locos and stock - one small correction, Arthur Ormrod's DE2 shunter (from the Judith Edge kit) was on duty in the yard. The good news is that several years of building wagon kits and modifying RTR locos has given me the confidence and enthusiasm to tackle some loco kits for my next project. Fair comment about the derailments on BCB; we're aware of the causes and have an idea of what needs to be done to rectify. Next time the layout is out is Wigan next year, you're welcome to have another go if you are there. Cheers, Mark Thanks Mark, I need to be more observant in future. As for the derailments, it looked to be a pair of board ends slightly out of alignment. As we spoke of, this can happen overnight as conditions change, but it certainly wasn't an intrinsic problem. One thing that also occurred to me was that (apart from the odd exception, and I don't want to be seen as ageist!), the builders are of the generation (at least) after mine, and are modelling the scenes of their youth - brilliantly! Are there many, many more out there like you? Judging by the majority of the other layout operators and the majority of the punters at the Wolverhampton Show, I'd say not that many. Another thing occurring to me is how uniformly redolent of the place and period the whole layout is. Though a 'group' layout, BCB is definitely not a typical club mainstream layout. In that respect, and this is meant as a compliment, it's exclusive. Exclusive in that some highly-talented modellers have built something collectively, and not been swayed by too much democracy where everybody's skills/needs/wants have to be accommodated. The result of that is often a mish-mash of standards, representing anything in time from the dawn of railways to the future and a geographic span allowing anything from the North of Scotland to Land's End. All the best layouts I've ever photographed have either been the work of one dedicated man/woman or a small group. You're all accomplished builders with a common aim, and I compliment you; especially as you've done everything yourselves and not (like me on occasions) needed the help of professionals, excellent though their work might be. Edited November 9, 2015 by Tony Wright 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted November 9, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 9, 2015 I actually had another go today, when nobody was around, and didn't cock-up! The means of displaying which loco is to run is both beautifully-simple and 100% reliable. No need at all for the nonsense of a computer telling operators what to do. It's more technical than you think, at the first outing at Donny that with the confusion of operating, I suggested that what was needed was a 'Laser Display Board', this went straight over the heads of the rest of them so I explained that it really is just a piece of card with writing on it, those initial bits of tatty card were redone as you see them now superbly by Nigel. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indomitable026 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Thanks Mark, I need to be more observant in future. As for the derailments, it looked to be a pair of board ends slightly out of alignment. As we spoke of, this can happen overnight as conditions change, but it certainly wasn't an intrinsic problem. One thing that also occurred to me was that (apart from the odd exception, and I don't want to be seen as ageist!), the builders are of the generation (at least) after mine, and are modelling the scenes of their youth - brilliantly! Are there many, many more out there like you? Judging by the majority of the other layout operators and the majority of the punters at the Wolverhampton Show, I'd say not that many. Another thing occurring to me is how uniformly redolent of the place and period the whole layout is. Though a 'group' layout, BCB is definitely not a typical club mainstream layout. In that respect, and this is meant as a compliment, it's exclusive. Exclusive in that some highly-talented modellers have built something collectively, and not been swayed by too much democracy where everybody's skills/needs/wants have to be accommodated. The result of that is often a mish-mash of standards, representing anything in time from the dawn of railways to the future and a geographic span allowing anything from the North of Scotland to Land's End. All the best layouts I've ever photographed have either been the work of one dedicated man/woman or a small group. You're all accomplished builders with a common aim, and I compliment you; especially as you've done everything yourselves and not (like me on occasions) needed the help of professionals, excellent though their work might be. Thanks for your generous comments Tony. Worth noting, although I'm guessing the guys mentioned, the fiddle-yards are only a temporary measure and are clearly not fit for the purpose they are being asked to perform. A 'selector plate' on a two track main line? To be fair it got the layout out on the circuit to it's first few shows, but the clock is ticking for this temporary bodge The plan is for a complete circular run, it's all designed and is just waiting for me to pull my finger out and build the boards. Trouble is I've gone on another tangent down the Lynton & Barnstaple railway... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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