Zunnan Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 The "people" promptly started chipping away at this glowing review. Because the coach doesn't do what you want doesn't make it wrong My only stated downside of these coaches was based on 3 axles falling out of their bearings on two coaches (2 axles on a CK and one on an SK) on lifting them from their packaging, all at the open end of the bogie. Now, as this seems to some to be "wading in with criticism of minor points", I'll simply say that all I want is for them to run, but if the bogie is incapable of supporting and retaining the axle at the open end, then its not going to allow for smooth running until corrected. Am I wrong for wanting the bogie design as has been executed to hold itself together? Its not like its a minor detailing error that can be brushed over, its caused by the design and/or poor assembly. The fix is easy, just realign the bearing strips so that they squeeze on the axles more positively, but it doesn't alter the fact that the bogie design could have been much simpler and more reliable, and has been on pretty much every coach produced until this point. Otherwise my only criticism of them is that I can't afford as many of them as I want, and they're not available in maroon...yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium finelines Posted July 10, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 10, 2014 If you read this thread before my comment there is no mention of wheels falling out. Roger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted July 10, 2014 Author Share Posted July 10, 2014 My only stated downside of these coaches was based on 3 axles falling out of their bearings on two coaches (2 axles on a CK and one on an SK) on lifting them from their packaging, all at the open end of the bogie. You were unlucky. It sounds as if the model has been dropped in its box in transit, hence the splaying of the open end of the bogie. I splayed mine out to test if it would take EM wheels and wished I hadn't as the darn thing has too much sideplay now no matter what I do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted July 11, 2014 Author Share Posted July 11, 2014 (edited) The liked the appearance of the Bachmann blood & custard once on the layout, so some cream was mixed to match although it still needs a touch more yellow adding. For red, I popped the coach down to our local supplier this morning and went through their car colour swabs before buying a tin of the colour. The closest red was chosen though I knew it would have to be darkened back home. Black was added in tiny amounts but it took some (GWR) brown to get it right. A 14 year old Ratio clerestory mock up body was the guinea pig.... Edited July 25, 2014 by coachmann 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Sasquatch Posted July 12, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 12, 2014 Really good informative and in depth thread Larry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brossard Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Just out of curiosity what kind of paint are we talking about when referring to car colour? A couple of years ago a friend asked me to build some coaches and got some LSWR Salmon (1906) mixed at a car painters. This was cellulose. I had planned to airbrush it but when I read the health advisories I got scared off. I ended up mixing my own, using acrylic, which took ages to get even close. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 I've just received mine from Hattons at £33; good service. Looking at the bogies the axleboxes seem a little shallow and measure 27mm, give or take, over them. I can't find drawing which gives the overall dimension full size. Does anyone else? Regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted July 12, 2014 Author Share Posted July 12, 2014 (edited) Just out of curiosity what kind of paint are we talking about when referring to car colour? Paint manufactured for the respraying of automobiles. Edited July 12, 2014 by coachmann 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brossard Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Ah yes, I think I understand that. I was thinking more of the type of paint, for example cellulose in the case above, or perhaps lacquer. I'm accustomed to using acrylic and enamel and have a filter face mask (NOT a dust mask) for spraying and airbrushing. From what I read, a filter face mask isn't adequate for cellulose. I'd like to hear of others experiences. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted July 12, 2014 Author Share Posted July 12, 2014 Cellulose needs a good mask as you say. Mine has double filters with pre-filters. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Sasquatch Posted July 12, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 12, 2014 Ah yes, I think I understand that. I was thinking more of the type of paint, for example cellulose in the case above, or perhaps lacquer. I'm accustomed to using acrylic and enamel and have a filter face mask (NOT a dust mask) for spraying and airbrushing. From what I read, a filter face mask isn't adequate for cellulose. I'd like to hear of others experiences. John You can't get enough protection when using cellulose. It's nasty stuff! A proper paint booth with extraction would be ideal. As Larry has mentioned a double filter mask , goggles (as it is absorbed through tears) and latex gloves. Don't buy cheep masks when your health is concerned. I worked in a furniture polish repair shop for 6 months once and watched guys get sick and one guy even died from a brain tumor. To tell the truth I'm amazed cellulose paints are still available to the general public! Of course the longer the exposure to the stuff the higher the risk. Do like the blood and custard Ratio stock BTW Larry. There is a rake of those in my kit box and I might just half-inch your idea for something different! Regards Shaun Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brossard Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 (edited) Thanks Shaun and Larry, that confirms what I thought. I think I'll stick to my usual paint. John Edited July 12, 2014 by brossard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derekl Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 I was under the impression that cellulose based paints are now banned for all but specialist use. The Halfords spray paints seem to be acrylic based. Correction welcomed if I have it wrong! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted July 12, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 12, 2014 According to the Halfords website what is currently for sale is 'an advanced acrylic formulation fully compatible with cellulose' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenway Park Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Just returned from holiday with the family. E Mail from Hattons to say my pre order is available and a superb review from Coachman. Thanks Larry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted July 14, 2014 Author Share Posted July 14, 2014 (edited) The LMS D2170 'Porthole' corridor third........ The 'Porthole' Brake Third coach differs from the D2159 Composite in having the LMS standard side and roof profile.... It has the usual pair of trussrods (the compo has four). The black line along the gutter is a neat authentic touch..... The filler pipes to the roof are wire (no molded pipes here) while the time-honoured molded door handles will never break off..... The curly intermediete door handles are accurately captured.... The two different profiles have been very well captured. Even the tops of the doors differ. Also the sides do not overlap the solebars on the corridor third. (The furthermost coach has had some modifications as outlined earlier in the thread, hence the differing buffer heights). The D2170 Third and D2159 composite...... Edited July 14, 2014 by coachmann 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted July 14, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 14, 2014 Hi. Just read that review of the TK. Now, sadly, unless it is my eyesight, the coach is higher in the middle than the ends, where it appears to be sitting-down on its bogies. I'm mentioning this in particular, for the TK, which I also have, is definitely afflicted in this way - on mine the ''bow'', which I have measured, is 1mm on mine. I wonder if this is a possible repeat of the first batch of the BR Mk1 GUV's - or Hornby's first batch of Stanier period lll corridor stock? I'm considering contacting Bachmann about this issue and see what their response might be. It is a shame if there is a problem, for the TK, along with the other Porthole coaches, are very good models in spite of the bogie and ride height issues. Is there anyone else with this issue with the TK? All the best, Market65. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted July 14, 2014 Author Share Posted July 14, 2014 (edited) The coach body is bowed, but I didn't mention it because it has afflicted many coaches over the years and is apparent in my images. Real coaches are also bowed though perhaps to a lesser extent. Edited July 14, 2014 by coachmann Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted July 15, 2014 Author Share Posted July 15, 2014 Porthole 3rd benefits from a few speedy modifications the same as was carried out on the composite..... 20thou plastikard spacers between bogie and body to raise buffer height. Seats painted matt carmine red. Wheels blackened. I did not spray the roof matt black however.......... 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
faulcon1 Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 You can't get enough protection when using cellulose. It's nasty stuff! A proper paint booth with extraction would be ideal. As Larry has mentioned a double filter mask , goggles (as it is absorbed through tears) and latex gloves. Don't buy cheep masks when your health is concerned. I worked in a furniture polish repair shop for 6 months once and watched guys get sick and one guy even died from a brain tumor. To tell the truth I'm amazed cellulose paints are still available to the general public! Of course the longer the exposure to the stuff the higher the risk. Regards Shaun Your very right Shaun as my brothers wives first husband used to spray N gauge locos WITHOUT any personnel protection whatsoever. He was a dentist and came home from work one Saturday and had a sleep before dinner. He never woke up. He was 34 years old. The post morton revealed a large quantity of lead in his blood (from the paint) and a brain tumor which had burst and killed him. The authorities weren't totally certain that the spraying of his models killed him but there was no other explanation as to the high quantity of lead in his blood. So never ever skimp on PPE (Personnel Protective Equipment). Roy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
faulcon1 Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Many people on this thread had decided to go over the coaches with a fine tooth comb. But out of the box will these coaches run on Peco code 100 track without derailing or do they need to be modified before they'll run satisfactorily. I would like to know as I would like to buy a dozen of these coaches. Also are there any brake thirds as Hattons doesn't have them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Sasquatch Posted July 19, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 19, 2014 Not sure the brake thirds have been released yet Roy. Get Hattons to email you when they come in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Cram Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Many people on this thread had decided to go over the coaches with a fine tooth comb. But out of the box will these coaches run on Peco code 100 track without derailing or do they need to be modified before they'll run satisfactorily. I would like to know as I would like to buy a dozen of these coaches. Also are there any brake thirds as Hattons doesn't have them. Whilst the coaches run beautifully there are some big discrepancies with the Hornby LMS coaches, The buffer Height is only 11.5 mm, 2.5 mm below the Hornby which is correct at 14mm. The bogies are ony 27mm across the axle boxes as against 34 for the Hornby. In addition the colours of the paintwork are faded compared to the Hornby ones. Running in a train of mixed LMS and mark one they look almost HO. I am not sure that by raising the body 2.5mm the roof lines would be level which leads me to wonder whether the body is to deep. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rembrow Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 I was told at my local shop today, that the 60ft First Brakes were despatched from Bachmann yesterday and are expected in shops from next Monday. Seems the 57ft Second Brakes are coming later. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted July 19, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 19, 2014 The coach body is bowed, but I didn't mention it because it has afflicted many coaches over the years and is apparent in my images. Real coaches are also bowed though perhaps to a lesser extent. Although the body is bowed, I think the camera settings have exaggerated it somewhat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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