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Private owner wagon 'United'


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This time I am returning to that ubiquitous item of the early 20th century railway, the private owner coal wagon - in this case, a 6-plank end-door type built by Gloucester RCW, in the livery of 'United' collieries. The model is of course the familiar Slaters kit, and so is very similar to a build to the 'Ocean' wagon I have posted about previously:

 

 

The big difference with this one is that it is empty, not loaded, so there is full interior detailing needed, and that is the focus of this post. But before we get to that, I made one change compared to the process I used with the 'Ocean' model that is perhaps worth noting. With 'Ocean', I went over the lettering with white acrylic paint (Vallejo) to give a more 'solid' colour, before assembling the body (much easier to do with the sides flat on the work surface). I needed to do this again with 'United', but this time I tried using white artist's ink, as an experiment. I thought I could apply this with a dipping pen, hoping it would be easier to control than using a brush. However, I found the surface tension of the water-based ink, combined with the surface of the printed lettering on the wagon, made it hard to get the ink to wet the surface. Gentle rubbing with the pen would get the surface to wet, but it rather defeated my aim, and I finished using a mixture of pen and brush. I would probably go back to paint in future.

 

The interior detail comes from a set of brass etches from DJ Parkins. These provide the planking as well as the internal washer plates, etc. - the planks are half-etched, with the grooves between them etched all the way through, and the washer plates are the full thickness of the brass. Bolt heads are pressed out from behind in the usual way. The resulting level of detail that can be obtained is excellent, but it turned out to be less straight-forward than I had hoped...

 

The set of etchings is specifically intended for this Slaters kit, but I found the sides and ends a little too long, and the floor a little too big. The instructions say to glue the etchings to the inside of the plastic kit parts before assembling the body, but I didn't do that. My reasoning was that there is always a slight vagueness around the fit of the sides and ends at the corners, and the floor within the rectangle made by the sides and ends. It seemed to me to be better to assemble the plastic parts first, fettling them as needed, and make any necessary adjustments to the etchings at the point of fitting them, rather than trying to file down an over-sized etching while already glued to the plastic component.

 

Having to remove a little from the floor etch, and the ends of the side and end etches, wasn't too much of a problem, and of course it is better these are over-size rather than under. It did though mean, by the time I had filed a bit off, the washer plates in the corners were right up to the corner, rather than having a small space between the washer plate and the corner itself. It isn't too obvious in the finished model though.

 

More problematic was that the height of the sides and ends was significantly too high - around a couple of millimetres. I have no idea why this should be the case, as the etches are bespoke to the kit, but there it is. I filed off the excess height, though this needed care and was quite a lengthy process, because the etch is mainly only half thickness, and has slits where the plank lines are, so it is delicate and hard to hold still to file. It was done in the end, but it would be nice if the etches were nearer to the correct size.

 

While I am talking about the etches, one other oddity is that the floor has etched marks on the underside to be pressed out as bolt heads. The pattern of these suggests they align with the wagon's middle bearers and the diagonals that run from the centre outwards towards the ends of the headstocks. It wasn't until after the model was finished I read a comment on the forum about floors being nailed down, so no fasteners would be visible. This of course makes sense - bolt heads sticking up would be very annoying when shovelling coal out of the wagon. Well, it's done now...

I decided to paint the etches after they were filed to fit, but before gluing them in. I gave them a coat of light grey etch primer, then of a creamy 'new wood' colour, followed by some knots and marks in brown and gunmetal. A wash of black artist's ink (another experiment) concluded round one of weathering:

 

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The ironwork was then painted black. The etches were glued into the assembled body using Aleene's Tacky Glue. This worked well, smearing it carefully onto the back of the etchings in as thin a layer as I could manage. Once in place, a piece of thick corrugated card cut to size was clamped over the etch to keep it flat while the glue dried. Despite using the minimum of glue, some of it squeezed through the gaps between the planks - since neither surface is absorbant, there is nowhere else for it to go. The first time, this glue stuck the cardboard to the inside of the wagon, and I had to hack it out with a scalpel, damaging the paint finish. After that, I used a small piece of clear polythene (from a resealable bag) as a barrier. Glue still came through, but it was fairly easy to remove once set. You can see in these pictures where removing the excess glue has taken off some of the ink wash, which had to be touched up later:

 

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I did some filling of the outside corners and any other places that needed it such as around the headstocks. It all looks a bit of a mess at this point, but courage mon brave, it will come out in the end:

 

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The etchings have extensions to the ironwork on the end door, to be wrapped around the horizontal bar that forms the pivot to hinge the door. The intention of the etches is the bar sits below the top of the door, and the ends of the bar go into holes in the corner plate either side. Gloucester wagons generally have the bar above the height of the wagon, however, and in any case, having filed the sides down to size, the bit of the etch with the corresponding holes had gone.

 

I made the pieces that support the ends of the bar from some scrap etch:

 

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The bar was made from some straight brass wire, initially cut oversize while everything was fitted and glued into position with cyano:

 

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The bar was trimmed to length, and painted black:

 

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The DJ Parkins etches include the capping strips, with etched marks to be pushed out to represent the bolts that hold these in position:

 

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With the body complete apart from final titivating, the wheels and brakegear were next:

 

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The brake pushrods should be at an angle, not parallel with the solebars, so they align with the wheels. To achieve this, and to ensure I could get the brake shoes close to the wheels (I greatly dislike seeing too much daylight between shoe and wheel rim), I cut the Slaters moulding up and assembled the parts separately.

 

To get the angle, I filed the vertical plastic piece that represents the brake shoe hangers to the right angle, and glued a small piece of plasticard on. It is easier to get the geometry of this joint right before fitting to the wagon itself, and the piece of plasticard packs out the position of the brake shoe to get it close to the wheel tread:

 

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Then just glue the plasticard to the underframe - seen here held in place by self-closing tweezers:

 

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Once the shoes are on, the vee-hangers are attached and the push rods can be glued onto the tumbler.

 

Buffers and couplings on, and we are nearly there! The Gloucester works plates are POWsides transfers on a black-painted rectangle of 10 thou plasticard. A 'scribble' of white paint with a very fine brush represents the writing on the other plate, which is a moulded detail on the Slaters kit solebar.

 

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The inside after some more touching up, though I found every time I thought I was finished, I would come back to the wagon and see another tiny spot of bare brass or pale paint glaring out at me:

 

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Weathering on the outside was a light dose of powders, mainly black to represent coal dust, and a little dry-brushing. I had had to replace the capacity and tare lettering at the bottom of each side with decals, as the original printing hadn't taken properly. The transfers silvered slightly, which I didn't notice until later - it only shows up in certain light - so I disguised it with a bit of brown paint and weathering. You can still see it in the pictures if you look, but at normal viewing distances it disappears.

 

I gave the inside a final dose of weathering powders and black paint in the corners and around the washer plates, followed by a coat of matt varnish. I use the Tamiya TS80 Flat Clear spray, which I find works well. And there it is, done:

 

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Is there a way to "quote" from a blog post?

 

I have copied the bulk of Nick's blog into this post and then inserted my comments.

 

[Start of Nick's blog post]

This time I am returning to that ubiquitous item of the early 20th century railway, the private owner coal wagon - in this case, a 6-plank end-door type built by Gloucester RCW, in the livery of 'United' collieries. The model is of course the familiar Slaters kit, and so is very similar to a build to the 'Ocean' wagon I have posted about previously:  The big difference with this one is that it is empty, not loaded, so there is full interior detailing needed, and that is the focus of this post.

 

I decided to paint the etches after they were filed to fit, but before gluing them in. I gave them a coat of light grey etch primer, then of a creamy 'new wood' colour, followed by some knots and marks in brown and gunmetal.

 

<GDB> - I have problems with the idea of wagon sheeting circa 1900 - being made from wood with knots.  I recall reading, back in the midst of time, that wagon specification carried the phrase "all timber to be free from knots...  shakes...  and shivers".  Now if that applied circa 1900 then draw your own conclusions.  Kit, @kitpw, are you able to comment on this point.

 

The etchings have extensions to the ronwork on the end door, to be wrapped around the horizontal bar that forms the pivot to hinge the door. The intention of the etches is the bar sits below the top of the door, and the ends of the bar go into holes in the corner plate either side. Gloucester wagons generally have the bar above the height of the wagon....

 

<GDB> - sorry to disagree with you on this...  the evidence to be found throughout the PO books published by Lightmoor Press is that circa 1900 a good number of Gloster wagons have the door bar passing through the top plank of the sheeting (supported by an eye in the top of the end knee).  Later wagon builds do go in the direction that you have described.

 

I made the pieces that support the ends of the bar from some scrap etch:

 

<GDB> - and the plates that stop the bar from coming out of the eyes?

 

The DJ Parkins etches include the capping strips, with etched marks to be pushed out to represent the bolts that hold these in position.

 

<GDB> - as yet I have not seen any contemporary wagon models with the nuts under the curb rail to prevent the capping strip bolts from coming loose.

 

 

To be clear, I have no experience of the MMP product that Nick has used and I do not wish to offer or imply any criticism of that product.

 

regards, Graham

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5 minutes ago, Western Star said:

<GDB> - I have problems withe idea of wagon sheeting circa 1900 - being made from wood with knots.  I recall reading, back in the midst of time, that wagon specification carried the phrase "all timber to be free from knots...  shakes...  and shivers".  Now if that applied circa 1900 then draw your own conclusions. 

 

MRSC item 88-1974-58/2 (extracts):   

 

Midland & South-Western Railway Co.’s

SOMERSET & DORSET JOINT LINE

Specification for 50 8-Tons Open Goods Wagons.

 

UNDER FRAME.

The whole of the timber forming the Under Frame, including the Soles, Headstocks, Crossbars, Longitudinals. Diagonals, &c., to be of good sound Danzig Oak, well seasoned and cut out of the butt, and free from knots, saps, shakes, and all other defects of any kind whatever.

 

SIDES AND FLOORING.

End Pillars and Bottom Rails to be of the best Danzig Oak, Planking for the Flooring, Sides, Ends, and Doors to be of the best Swedish Red Deal, to be tongued and grooved and free from sap, shakes, and knots, or any other defects, and to be thoroughly well seasoned.

 

However:

 

PAINTING.

All knots to be well protected with patent Knotting before being primed.

 

This is pretty much word-for-word the same as the specification for a like number of 8-ton wagons in 1882, MRSC item 13683.

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36 minutes ago, Compound2632 said:

free from sap, shakes, and knots, or any other defects, and to be thoroughly well seasoned

 

36 minutes ago, Compound2632 said:

All knots to be well protected with patent Knotting before being primed.

...when I read @Western Star's comment above, I recalled reading @Compound2632's post earlier today (in the thread on white painted wheels) which included a reference to the requirement for knotting of wagon bodies which is apparently inconsistent with the specification for timber (as above post from Stephen) which calls for no knots.  In construction, a similar timber spec would more likely refer to "no large or dead knots" since large knots, even when knotted with shellac, can cause the paint film to break down whilst dead knots can fall out, leaving a hole. I expect that that spec (no large knots etc) was understood as the requirement, regardless of whether stated or not, a case of what was (and is) "common in the trade".  Conclusion - smaller, live knots permitted and knotting required. 

 

What is more surprising to my mind is that wagon interiors weren't painted.  The easiest way to enure that a piece of timber warps is to fully paint one side only and then sit back and watch it bend. Obviously the ironwork would assist in reducing that but, even so, I would expect it to move within days and show cupping and shrink across the grain within a few months. On the other hand, wagon building has a long history, tradesmen knew what they were about and the wagons sides/ends don't seem to show evidence of more than a bit of shrinkage, leaving some gapping between boards. So, surprised or not, that's how it is.

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Western Star said:

Is there a way to "quote" from a blog post?

 

How curious - seemingly not. I'll aim to write anodyne blog posts in future, that require no comment 😉.

 

2 hours ago, Western Star said:

I have problems withe idea of wagon sheeting circa 1900 - being made from wood with knots.

 

Discussed in other comments, but from the point of view of the model I think I was rather indiscriminately lumping together the various marks that are seen in photos, whatever the source. My point really is that the inside of wagons, once they had been in service for a while, were not an even colour and tone.

 

2 hours ago, Western Star said:

1900 a good number of Gloster wagons have the door bar passing through the top plank of the sheeting

 

OK - you've probably looked at more of these than I have. I took a small sample and went from that.

 

2 hours ago, Western Star said:

and the plates that stop the bar from coming out of the eyes?

 

As you can see, no I didn't. Err, I claim wabi-wabi? No, not convincing? I'll do better next time, along with @Schooner's coupling link.

 

2 hours ago, Western Star said:

as yet I have not seen any contemporary wagon models with the nuts under the curb rail to prevent the capping strip bolts from coming loose.

 

Nor me, now you mention it. Another detail for the list!

 

Regards - 

 

Nick.

 

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31 minutes ago, kitpw said:

On the other hand, wagon building has a long history, tradesmen knew what they were about and the wagons sides/ends don't seem to show evidence of more than a bit of shrinkage, leaving some gapping between boards. So, surprised or not, that's how it is.

 

Which makes me wonder about the regime at the time for preparing and seasoning wood. Also, photos of new wagons do sometimes show a little cupping.

 

And, yes, I agree with your interpretation of the specification in terms of knots.

 

Nick.

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19 minutes ago, magmouse said:

Which makes me wonder about the regime at the time for preparing and seasoning wood

...me too: it's probably relevant that larger wagon builders (I haven't audited all of them!) had their own saw mills.

 

PS: With 2 x grandsons here for 24 hours, I've only just been stood down from family duty so haven't fully read through your most recent Netherport post, other than to signal "thought provoking". Nor your white painted wheels thread either. I will read tomorrow properly - I think I've got the gist of Netherport, though, "it's the wheels".

 

Kit PW

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8 minutes ago, kitpw said:

I will read tomorrow properly - I think I've got the gist of Netherport, though, "it's the wheels".

 

You may find your powers of prognostication are confirmed...

 

Nick.

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1 hour ago, kitpw said:

Conclusion - smaller, live knots permitted and knotting required. 

Always dangerous to go on, but this rings true for me from a related field*. Best practice can go hang at 6am on a foul February morning when it's up against something to time, budget and good enough for good enough.

 

*or is that a fleet?

 

3 hours ago, Compound2632 said:

UNDER FRAME.

...to be of good sound Danzig Oak

 

3 hours ago, Compound2632 said:

SIDES AND FLOORING.

End Pillars and Bottom Rails to be of the best Danzig Oak

 

That's interesting. Reduced scantlings = better timber?

 

1 hour ago, kitpw said:

What is more surprising to my mind is that wagon interiors weren't painted.

Protection, not perfection! Better to watch it warp a bit than rot to bits - the interior coating would inevitably get broken, allowing fresh water in but without allowing the wood to breath and dry out. 

 

Laid wooden decks should last 20-50 years. A very high profile restoration several years ago - the only example of a type of enormous national and significant international importance - invented some 'industry best practice' from the office. Varnished the decks. Perfect, right? Maintain the varnish and the new deck will last forever! 

 

Rotted out within 5 years. Oops.

 

I'd reckon the answer for wagons, if longevity of the sheeting was an issue, would be oiling. Low cost/skill/time coating to maintain, but high frequency of application required on something as beaten about as a wagon floor. However I suspect that all the wagon components gave up the ghost about the same time though, so no point preserving the floors and sides especially? Readers will be able to confirm/dispute.

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1 hour ago, kitpw said:

What is more surprising to my mind is that wagon interiors weren't painted.  The easiest way to enure that a piece of timber warps is to fully paint one side only and then sit back and watch it bend. Obviously the ironwork would assist in reducing that but, even so, I would expect it to move within days and show cupping and shrink across the grain within a few months. On the other hand, wagon building has a long history, tradesmen knew what they were about and the wagons sides/ends don't seem to show evidence of more than a bit of shrinkage, leaving some gapping between boards. So, surprised or not, that's how it is.

 

Well-seasoned timber. In the MR C&W minutes, there's an annual return on the amount of wood - timber, deals, board of various species - on hand and it's generally two to three years' supply. It limits the rate at which wagon design could change!

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