RMweb Premium newbryford Posted December 15, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 15, 2019 2 hours ago, 4630 said: With the start of the new timetable today class 802/2 Nova 1s are now working some of the Manchester Airport - Newcastle services. Here is 802208 at Colne Bridge, Huddersfield with 1P25, 12.13 Manchester Airport to Newcastle. 68022 Resolution and a Nova 3 set was also about working, 1F64, 12.27 York to Liverpool Lime Street. The service had been cancelled between Scarborough and York. Those two pictures highlight the best and worst looking trains on the network today........... Cheers, Mick 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted December 16, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 16, 2019 12 hours ago, newbryford said: Those two pictures highlight the best and worst looking trains on the network today........... The 802s are just typical modern bland and boring IMO. The others, I like the look when it's the 68 leading (other than directly head-on, they're ugly at that angle), from the other end though... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owd Bob Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Agree! Spotting is not what it used to be, no variety at all, they are all beginning to look the same standard built shapes the World over. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev52A Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 13 hours ago, newbryford said: Those two pictures highlight the best and worst looking trains on the network today........... Cheers, Mick Some might disagree...(!) Seen at York on 10th December. That's 801 207 on the left working a York-KX train Question. Which design do you think will have the longest life-span? Answer in about 30 years time, perhaps? Cheers Trevor 5 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Trev52A said: Question. Which design do you think will have the longest life-span? Answer in about 30 years time, perhaps? No contest, it will be the Pacer, still working around Yorkshire no doubt 1 1 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 I wouldn't be surprised if it were the Pacers. Though not because there's anything particularly wrong with the 800s, just that as inter city trains there's an amount of glamour associated with them which means the money to replace them might be more forthcoming than the money to replace the cheapest trains money can buy that operate unprofitable services many miles away from Whitehall. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted December 16, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 16, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Zomboid said: I wouldn't be surprised if it were the Pacers. Though not because there's anything particularly wrong with the 800s, just that as inter city trains there's an amount of glamour associated with them which means the money to replace them might be more forthcoming than the money to replace the cheapest trains money can buy that operate unprofitable services many miles away from Whitehall. The HSTs have lasted a long time though, even though they've been drifting towards more secondary roles for quite a while now, and there's a long history of railway rolling stock doing just that. It happened with Deltics, it happened with A4s, it happened with HSTs. So when the 800s are eventually replaced who knows, might well be the same thing there. They'll be replaced on the services they were originally built for, and probably reduced in numbers, but not gone altogether. Edited December 16, 2019 by Reorte Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owd Bob Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Think i'm more concerned with the safety of the new stuff though, more than the looks, the pic' above makes the 142 look well chunky stood beside that slim feeble looking thing . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted December 16, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 16, 2019 11 hours ago, Owd Bob said: Think i'm more concerned with the safety of the new stuff though, more than the looks, the pic' above makes the 142 look well chunky stood beside that slim feeble looking thing . The 800 has a substantial amount of metal behind the shiny fibreglass. Check out the Winsford incident in 1999 to see how 142s fare in a collision. Or Liverpool Lime St in 1991. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted December 17, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 17, 2019 11 hours ago, newbryford said: The 800 has a substantial amount of metal behind the shiny fibreglass. Check out the Winsford incident in 1999 to see how 142s fare in a collision. Or Liverpool Lime St in 1991. Quite agree, vehicles might finish up at a strange angle in a minor collision involving an IET but at least the body and undergubbins are still attached to each other. Unlike the effect of a collision involving a 142 where the underframe and body parted company. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owd Bob Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Was just an observation, i know nowt and have learned a lot more than you would think from its replies...i'll just keep my mouth shut from now on. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 13 minutes ago, The Stationmaster said: Quite agree, vehicles might finish up at a strange angle in a minor collision involving an IET but at least the body and undergubbins are still attached to each other. Unlike the effect of a collision involving a 142 where the underframe and body parted company. Is it really fair to compare a collision between a Class 87 hauled full WCML express hitting a stationary pair of 142s at 50 mph with the outcome of a low speed depot collision between 2 much more evenly matched trains? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crisis Rail Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 13 hours ago, newbryford said: The 800 has a substantial amount of metal behind the shiny fibreglass. Check out the Winsford incident in 1999 to see how 142s fare in a collision. Or Liverpool Lime St in 1991. A quick once over and a "B" exam at SP and the Pacer was back in service by Tuesday. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TravisM Posted December 20, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 20, 2019 I’ve not followed this topic much but I’ve not heard much about TPE handing back some of it’s Class 185’s. Has that idea been shelved? With the Nova 3 sets, is the loco at the “east” end of the set or “west”? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TravisM Posted December 20, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 20, 2019 On 17/12/2019 at 12:14, Crisis Rail said: A quick once over and a "B" exam at SP and the Pacer was back in service by Tuesday. Bit of beating with a hammer, some electric glue, dab of paint and T-Cut, no one will notice 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted December 20, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 20, 2019 5 hours ago, jools1959 said: With the Nova 3 sets, is the loco at the “east” end of the set or “west”? They should be on the west end but at least one set was running the other way round 2 weeks ago. Jamie 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crisis Rail Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 On 20/12/2019 at 01:18, jools1959 said: Bit of beating with a hammer, some electric glue, dab of paint and T-Cut, no one will notice Ssshh..... I said they would be missed (mostly) when they're destined for the oxy acet. Oddly enough I will miss that bone jarring excursion on one of the Worlds Greatest Railway Journeys from Preston to Accrington and hope to see one on the ELR at one point. Ian 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted December 22, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 22, 2019 On 17/12/2019 at 11:20, GordonC said: Is it really fair to compare a collision between a Class 87 hauled full WCML express hitting a stationary pair of 142s at 50 mph with the outcome of a low speed depot collision between 2 much more evenly matched trains? Probably. Although the impact speed at Winsford was estimated at something a bit over double the likely impact speed at Leeds what matters is the results of the force involved. And in the case of the rear Pacer its bodies were both forced 2 metres forward from the underframes - and that isn't going to happen with an IET at a c.50mph impact speed even if its vehicles finish up out of line. Don't forget Winsford was mentioned in response to a comment that a 142 looks 'well chunky' next to an IET and the reality is that Winsford showed that it isn't as 'chunky' as it might look when involved in a collision at any sort of speed. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 (edited) Had a ride about yesterday on TPE, bit of a disaster as they seem to unaware the timetables changed last week, this no drivers. Loads of trains cancelled with that excuse, the loadings on the 185's was unsafe, just a joke sadly. The Class 68 was fine (5 Coaches) and the IET's seemed fine. TPE should be opening 1st Class to standing passengers, I sat in there as not standing for an hour. The Cross Country Voyagers were standing room only around Leeds as normal, very sad as the HST's are dumped from LNER and Cross Country passengers have no choice. 'What use is a disabled toilet' If you cannot get to it for passengers!!!!!!!!!!!! Charlie Edited January 1, 2020 by charliepetty 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 13 minutes ago, charliepetty said: Had a ride about yesterday on TPE, bit of a disaster as they seem to unaware the timetables changed last week, this no drivers. Loads of trains cancelled with that excuse, the loadings on the 185's was unsafe, just a joks sadly. The Class 68 was fine (5 Coaches) and the IET's seemed fine. TPE should be opening 1st Class to standing passengers, I sat in there as not standing for an hour. Did you record the voices of the disgruntled passengers and any apologetic announcements - you can use them in a sound installation when someone finally does a 185 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owd Bob Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 31-12-'19. Newton -le-Willows station, 68 022 thunders through from Liverpool at 1.14pm, the usual 68 hauled train going the other way towards Liverpool just a few minutes earlier had a 185 unit on it instead. 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ColinK Posted January 1, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 1, 2020 If I remember correctly some of TPE’s 350s are due to move to LNWR about now. Does that leave them with enough trains to run all their services? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 4630 Posted January 3, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 3, 2020 There were four class 68s and Mark5 Nova 3 sets diagrammed for Liverpool Lime Street-Scarborough services on 2nd January 2019. Here is 68027 'Splendid' with Nova 3 set TP09 at Colne Bridge, on the outskirts of Huddersfield, with 1F64, 11.34 Scarborough to Liverpool Lime Street. There were also four class 802/2 Nova 1 sets diagrammed on various Manchester Airport-Newcastle and Liverpool Lime Street-Edinburgh services. Here is unbranded 802218 at Colne Bridge with 1P24, 11.43 Newcastle to Manchester Airport. 17 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 4630 Posted January 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2020 Waiting on Deighton station on 7th January 2020 to photograph 5Z42, which comprised three Northern Pacers heading for scrap, TPE 68022 'Resolution' with Nova 3 set TP13 passed through working a late running 1F52, 05.34 Scarborough to Liverpool Lime Street, which in the event terminated at Manchester Victoria. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold SHMD Posted January 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2020 The 1F52 (as above) is the train I boarded at Stalybridge on my commute into Manchester this morning - and yes the controllers cancelled (terminated early) the Liverpool leg of this train just before it arrived at Stalybridge. Whilst this did not affect me (this time), "Turning back" a late train is really hated by passengers - especially if their final destination is an airport. Kev. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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