brossard Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 Osgod, my understanding is that grey BVs were always unfitted. Bauxite BVs, esp. BR built ones, would have been mostly through piped, with a relatively small number fitted (according to Geoff Kent). I think it likely that grey or bauxite BVs would be seen on unfitted trains. Then again, apart from minerals, unfitted trains were becoming quite rare by the mid 60s I think. John 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osgood Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 I hadn't even thought they might just be through-piped. But it makes sense as the vac braking would have normally been controlled by the locomotive. Many thanks John. Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 I hadn't even thought they might just be through-piped. But it makes sense as the vac braking would have normally been controlled by the locomotive. Many thanks John. Tony I started on the railway in the late seventies and was around BV's regularly but I cannot ever remember seeing one fitted (although I know some were because Paul B has photos!) all the 'fitted' ones I saw were through pipes with a brake valve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osgood Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 (edited) In case anyone else is wondering about liveries, I just www'd brake van liveries which took me to a thread on here a while back on the very topic: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/40849-br-brake-van-liveries/ Not only that, but I realise I have a copy of the book recommended on that thread by Paul Bartlett for BV liveries: https://hmrs.org.uk/british-railways-brakevans-ballast-ploughs.html Thanks all. Edited April 8, 2018 by Osgood Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CME and Bottlewasher Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 AFAICT, grey unfitted, most bauxite through braked, with a small number of bauxite 20T BVs being VB fitted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brossard Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 Do we know what purpose the AVB BVs served? John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted April 9, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 9, 2018 (edited) Do we know what purpose the AVB BVs served? John Not much and hardly ever; that's why they stopped fitting it after (IIRC) only one batch had been built. It was obviously of no use without the whole train being fully braked/piped and just a pipe and control valve was sufficient if the train was fully fitted. They were presumably built that way to conform with a "policy decision" taken somewhere on high. However, there may have been some specified duties rostered to them, photographs suggesting that the Southern Region containerised meat traffic from North Devon usually seems to have had one attached, quite often an ex-LNER example. John Edited April 9, 2018 by Dunsignalling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brossard Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 I kind of thought that someone in BR management had an out of box moment, realising that AVB gear served little purpose and that through piping was adequate. My Slaters 20T van is built as ex LNER with AVB. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenmodelmonkey Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 Ummmm think I need to check what's coming.... And when then, cheers Just checked with Antics and they said they were given the wrong information and are now expected in next couple of months Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CME and Bottlewasher Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 (edited) Just checked with Antics and they said they were given the wrong information and are now expected in next couple of monthsQuelle surprise! Dapol seem to drive some model shops mad. Dapols communications are truly awful, no other phrase for it. Looks like a good BV though. Thanks for your update though. ATVB CME Edited April 9, 2018 by CME and Bottlewasher Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnst Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 Do we know what purpose the AVB BVs served? John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
84B Oxley Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 The air braked ones were used on trains which needed propelling moves, such as the MGR trains to Fiddlers Ferry, which had to change direction twice at Warrington. For obvious reasons, the guard needed to be able to apply the train's air brakes. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted May 31, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 31, 2018 The air braked ones were used on trains which needed propelling moves, such as the MGR trains to Fiddlers Ferry, which had to change direction twice at Warrington. For obvious reasons, the guard needed to be able to apply the train's air brakes. Jeff I kind of thought that someone in BR management had an out of box moment, realising that AVB gear served little purpose and that through piping was adequate. My Slaters 20T van is built as ex LNER with AVB. John I started on the railway in the late seventies and was around BV's regularly but I cannot ever remember seeing one fitted (although I know some were because Paul B has photos!) all the 'fitted' ones I saw were through pipes with a brake valve. I cannot recall any that were vacuum fitted, but there were air braked fitted vans! In modelling terms, a vacuum piped only vehicle has bauxite livery the same as a fitted one, but the brake pipe is painted white instead of the red that denoted a fitted one; brake van vacuum pipes should normally be painted white. Air brake pipes were painted red for the train pipe and yellow for the reservoir pipe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 I cannot recall any that were vacuum fitted, but there were air braked fitted vans! In modelling terms, a vacuum piped only vehicle has bauxite livery the same as a fitted one, but the brake pipe is painted white instead of the red that denoted a fitted one; brake van vacuum pipes should normally be painted white. Air brake pipes were painted red for the train pipe and yellow for the reservoir pipe. There were several batches with vacuum brakes - they are in Eric Gents book published by the HMRS. Just one example http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brbrakevan506/e2d0fe095 The question remains interesting, why have a vacuum braked van and not simply through piped with internal gauge? Paul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdseyecircus Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Tower models expecting these in stock in the coming week. Paul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CME and Bottlewasher Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 One local stockist tells me that he's been advised that that delivery date has been put back? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
47606odin Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 I cannot recall any that were vacuum fitted, but there were air braked fitted vans! In modelling terms, a vacuum piped only vehicle has bauxite livery the same as a fitted one, but the brake pipe is painted white instead of the red that denoted a fitted one; brake van vacuum pipes should normally be painted white. Air brake pipes were painted red for the train pipe and yellow for the reservoir pipe. I was an apprentice at chart leacon, and we had a brakevan in. We had to isolate the vacuum cylinder, so we split the flange off the brake pipe, inserted a couple of cripple cards and re tightened. Vacuum isolated, then painted the pipes white. I don’t know if this was one that was used between Dover and Paddock wood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bezzy Oppo Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 Well, it looks as if Dapol are going to beat me to the release after all! Just awaiting new duckets configured with double glazed glass panels, verandah windows and external doors. Roof covering will be flat roofing vinyl material and she’ll be painted in late Bauxite. On with the internals, first fix leccy and ironmongery. Phew. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CME and Bottlewasher Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 Are the Dapol vans out yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold NHY 581 Posted October 7, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 7, 2018 Well, it looks as if Dapol are going to beat me to the release after all! Just awaiting new duckets configured with double glazed glass panels, verandah windows and external doors. Roof covering will be flat roofing vinyl material and she’ll be painted in late Bauxite. On with the internals, first fix leccy and ironmongery. Phew. 941FDA05-9419-48B2-8A55-0A6D805A73FC.jpeg Now that is a cracking garden shed. Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vimpto Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Are the Dapol vans out yet? Showing as being in stock on Hattons website, just ordered a cap version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CUTLER2579 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 A very simple question for some of you I hope. From the list below which would be most suitable for the 1958 - 1962 Steam period. Dapol List. Product Code Description MRP 7F-200-001 B951771 Grey CAO £79.95 7F-200-002 B952182 Grey £79.95 7F-200-003 B953095 Grey £79.95 7F-200-004 B951224 Bauxite CAP £79.95 7F-200-005 B952042 Bauxite £79.95 7F-200-006 B952978 Bauxite £79.95 7F-200-007 Unnumbered Grey £79.95 7F-200-008 Unnumbered Bauxite £79.95 Thanking you in anticipation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 A very simple question for some of you I hope. From the list below which would be most suitable for the 1958 - 1962 Steam period. Dapol List. Product Code Description MRP 7F-200-001 B951771 Grey CAO £79.95 7F-200-002 B952182 Grey £79.95 7F-200-003 B953095 Grey £79.95 7F-200-004 B951224 Bauxite CAP £79.95 7F-200-005 B952042 Bauxite £79.95 7F-200-006 B952978 Bauxite £79.95 7F-200-007 Unnumbered Grey £79.95 7F-200-008 Unnumbered Bauxite £79.95 Thanking you in anticipation. Not possible to say until photos of the finished product is available. Those based on my photos are all from 1970s onwards, but may be returnable to earlier livery Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brossard Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 A very simple question for some of you I hope. From the list below which would be most suitable for the 1958 - 1962 Steam period. Dapol List. Product Code Description MRP 7F-200-001 B951771 Grey CAO £79.95 7F-200-002 B952182 Grey £79.95 7F-200-003 B953095 Grey £79.95 7F-200-004 B951224 Bauxite CAP £79.95 7F-200-005 B952042 Bauxite £79.95 7F-200-006 B952978 Bauxite £79.95 7F-200-007 Unnumbered Grey £79.95 7F-200-008 Unnumbered Bauxite £79.95 Thanking you in anticipation. Be careful when ordering. I ordered 7F-200-005 (bauxite) based on the notification email and discovered just too late that the stock number is, in fact, grey. I called Hattons who said they'd try to stop the parcel but it's in the van already. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tender Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Be careful when ordering. I ordered 7F-200-005 (bauxite) based on the notification email and discovered just too late that the stock number is, in fact, grey. I called Hattons who said they'd try to stop the parcel but it's in the van already. John Everywhere seems to be advertising this as 'Bauxite' including the Dapol catalogue, maybe its the notification email that's wrong? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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