Wickham Green too Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 Does it come with a free buffer stop ? S.R.P.S. Falkirk : 13/9/81 2 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredo Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 Hi, would this be suitable for post 1948 BR steam era? Thanks Fred 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Fredo said: Hi, would this be suitable for post 1948 BR steam era? Thanks Fred Yes:- four-wheeled Class B tanks like this one lasted until the end of the 1960s and beyond. Apart from Briggs, other operators included Berry Wiggins (bitumen) , ESSO and Shell-Mex BP (heavy fuel oil). A small fleet ran in South Wales until the Miners' Strike of the 1980s. They worked for Thomas Ness (an NCB subsidiary) carrying coke oven distillates from various locations to a refinery near Caerphilly. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Fredo said: Hi, would this be suitable for post 1948 BR steam era? Thanks Fred All my photos are post 1948. It is a very long time ago, and the world changes slowly. They were building wagons to updated by relatively similar standards until 1960 https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/pounbraked The Briggs fleet in 1977 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/briggsdundee Paul Edited July 10, 2021 by hmrspaul 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penrhos1920 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 On 10/07/2021 at 11:18, Fat Controller said: A small fleet ran in South Wales until the Miners' Strike of the 1980s. They worked for Thomas Ness (an NCB subsidiary) carrying coke oven distillates from various locations to a refinery near Caerphilly. Do you have any idea when Thomas Ness started in Caerphilly? A quick google has revealed that one of their tank wagons is preserved on the NLR and it was bought by TN in 1939. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Penrhos1920 said: Do you have any idea when Thomas Ness started in Caerphilly? I don't think the Ness name became associated with the Caerphilly works until the the mid 1950's and possibly during the NCB reorganisation of the late 1960's. Ness made everything from roofing felts, damproof coarsings to water filters. Post 1938 would be a good start date for the tar works which became Ness tar works. http://www.steampumps.net/CaerphillyTar.html Caerphilly wasn't listed as a Tommy Ness site in 1959. https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/1959_Chemical_Manufacturers_Directory:_Chemical_Manufacturers Edited July 11, 2021 by Porcy Mane Add the graces Link. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/ncbtankwagons Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethp8873 Posted July 12, 2021 Author Share Posted July 12, 2021 Whilst I am interested in Harburn's Briggs Dundee 23, was there actually a 23 built or not? I cannot find any information about it bar the preserved No.20 example at Bo'ness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted July 12, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 12, 2021 (edited) On 21/06/2021 at 15:39, TheSignalEngineer said: @Mallard60022 I have seen a picture of a Class A Esso tank in a train at Meldon Viaduct. Also there was a fuel depot at Barnstaple Victoria Road GWR station. There were actually 2 depots at Barnstaple Victoria Road. The Shell/BP depot was on the station site serviced by the oil spur. There was also an Esso/Anglo American depot on the opposite side of the road to the good shed, with unloading done at the end of the Back Road behind the good shed. Edited July 12, 2021 by 57xx 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted July 13, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 13, 2021 12 hours ago, 57xx said: There were actually 2 depots at Barnstaple Victoria Road. Thanks, I didn't know there were two but had seen SMBP, National and Esso tanks in pictures of the area. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pteremy Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 12 hours ago, 57xx said: There were actually 2 depots at Barnstaple Victoria Road. The Shell/BP depot was on the station site serviced by the oil spur. There was also an Esso/Anglo American depot on the opposite side of the road to the good shed, with unloading done at the end of the Back Road behind the good shed. Slightly pedantically 3 - there was also a slightly smaller National Benzole depot, next to Shell/BP - the large sign on the boundary wall visible in photos at that end of the yard. The sign is still prominent in early 1970s, by which time the yard was reduced to little more than a siding, although whether the site was still in use by National Benzole (or successors) I don't know - if it was it must have been serviced by road rather than rail. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Pteremy said: Slightly pedantically 3 - there was also a slightly smaller National Benzole depot, next to Shell/BP - the large sign on the boundary wall visible in photos at that end of the yard. The sign is still prominent in early 1970s, by which time the yard was reduced to little more than a siding, although whether the site was still in use by National Benzole (or successors) I don't know - if it was it must have been serviced by road rather than rail. National Benzol became part of Shell-Mex & BP in 1957, becoming part of BP when the joint operation was split up 19 years later. According to Tourret, there was no renumbering of wagons. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted July 13, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 13, 2021 On 21/06/2021 at 13:16, Mallard60022 said: .......might I have ever seen any of these through Seaton Junction between 1958 - 1964...... @Mallard60022 Phil, I have just been looking at the Irwell Press book on the North Cornwall and there is a picture of the Up afternoon goods from Wadebridge arriving at Ashwater in the 1960s hauled by 31845. In the middle of the train there are three tanks, one of which looks like the smaller barrel as in the Oxford model. Unfortunately the angle doesn't allow the livery to be seen. Eric Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted July 13, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 13, 2021 9 hours ago, Pteremy said: Slightly pedantically 3 - there was also a slightly smaller National Benzole depot, next to Shell/BP - the large sign on the boundary wall visible in photos at that end of the yard. The sign is still prominent in early 1970s, by which time the yard was reduced to little more than a siding, although whether the site was still in use by National Benzole (or successors) I don't know - if it was it must have been serviced by road rather than rail. It's not pedantic, thanks for keeping me honest. I had forgot National Benzole had their depot next to Shell/BP, also serviced by the Oil Spur. According to the GWRJ article, both the Shell and NB depots closed at roughly the same time in 1956. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pteremy Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 16 hours ago, 57xx said: According to the GWRJ article, both the Shell and NB depots closed at roughly the same time in 1956. Yes it does. It appears that there was still some Oil traffic in 1960 - see p33 of Welch, Devon Steam, where at least 3 tankers are visible on 24/4/60, 2 silver, 1 black. One of the silver tanks appears to be '4258'. if so then I suspect that is an Esso tank (ex Air Ministry), but I have not found anything to confirm, one way or the other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Turpin Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 I was watching an old Dr Who VHS tape of the story 'Inferno' the other with my youngest, which was filmed around 1970, at the Kingsnorth oil refinery in Medway of Berry Wiggins. There are quite a few shots of various small tank wagons, all of them of dissimilar sizes, though I personally wouldn't be able to identify any. Lovely bygone industrial feel though. Worth a watch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 17 minutes ago, Dick Turpin said: I was watching an old Dr Who VHS tape of the story 'Inferno' the other with my youngest, which was filmed around 1970, at the Kingsnorth oil refinery in Medway of Berry Wiggins. There are quite a few shots of various small tank wagons, all of them of dissimilar sizes, though I personally wouldn't be able to identify any. Lovely bygone industrial feel though. Worth a watch. Berry Wiggins, nice shots of their class A tanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted July 14, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 14, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Pteremy said: Yes it does. It appears that there was still some Oil traffic in 1960 - see p33 of Welch, Devon Steam, where at least 3 tankers are visible on 24/4/60, 2 silver, 1 black. One of the silver tanks appears to be '4258'. if so then I suspect that is an Esso tank (ex Air Ministry), but I have not found anything to confirm, one way or the other. I think that rather than closing down, the operation of some of the smaller depots may have been transferred from the oil companies to local distributors. A friend's late father managed one in East Devon in the early 1960s. Although I don't remember the name of the company he was employed by, I'm pretty sure it wasn't any of the big boys. John Edit: Medland, Sanders and Twose, rings a bell, but I may be thinking of somebody else, doing something else! Edited July 14, 2021 by Dunsignalling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Dunsignalling said: I think that rather than closing down, the operation of some of the smaller depots may have been transferred from the oil companies to local distributors. A friend's late father managed one in East Devon in the early 1960s. Although I don't remember the name of the company he was employed by, I'm pretty sure it wasn't any of the big boys. John Edit: Medland, Sanders and Twose, rings a bell, but I may be thinking of somebody else, doing something else! Quite a few in the more rural areas went over to Farmers' Co-ops/ Groups, such as West Cumberland Farmers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted July 14, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 14, 2021 32 minutes ago, Fat Controller said: Quite a few in the more rural areas went over to Farmers' Co-ops/ Groups, such as West Cumberland Farmers. That connection makes sense, as MST were (and still are) in the agricultural machinery supply trade. Supplying farm fuel would have been a logical extension of that. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted November 1, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 1, 2021 (edited) These don't half cut the mustard for the money especially with some expert weathering, @toboldlygo Edited August 22, 2022 by gwrrob add a photo 12 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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