RMweb Gold Hattons Dave Posted November 19, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 19, 2018 (edited) Hattons N Gauge LMS Beyer-Garratt 2-6-0 0-6-2 The Beyer Garratts were designed to haul coal trains from the Midland coalfields to London to stop the use of double-heading and save on fuel, crews and maintenance. The locos quickly gained popularity due to their strange design of articulation and were widely known about. Very early in the careers of the locos they had their fixed bunkers replaced with rocking ones to help bring coal towards the cab while on the move. They lived out their lives on the coal trains they were designed for and were only withdrawn with the introduction of the Standard 9Fs. Unfortunately none survived the cutters torch and the preservation movement lost an important part of the British Railway scene. In 2014, Hattons released in OO what has since been classed by Hornby Magazine as the best steam model they had seen. To enter into the N gauge market we have decided to replicate this unique design in N gauge. For the N gauge model we will only be producing the rocking bunker version. Model Specifications: 5 pole motor driving bunker end RP25 wheel profile Highly detailed liveries 18 pin digital socket Heavy diecast chassis Highly detailed chassis Fully detailed cab NEM coupling pockets These models are being produced exclusively by Hattons and are available to pre-order for £199 each at www.hattons.co.uk/Ngarratt CADs are currently being worked on with delivery scheduled to be in January 2020. Edited November 20, 2018 by Hatton's Dave 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 Wow! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted November 19, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 19, 2018 Pretty amazed that they are going for this after quite a few problems with the 00 gauge model. But impressed - especially at that price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomag Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 (edited) Nice Two Qs. How easy would it to convert to the origonal bunker and what is the minimum radius? Edited November 19, 2018 by Bomag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold scottystitch Posted November 19, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 19, 2018 What were the 00 issues, please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium cornelius Posted November 19, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 19, 2018 Wow indeed! Already wondering if there are any suitable 2'6" gauge Garratts for an 009 conversion... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Hattons Dave Posted November 19, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 19, 2018 Nice Two Qs. How easy would it to convert to the origonal bunker and what is the minimum radius? Hi Bomag, 1. At the moment we can't say exactly how easy it would be to convert to original bunker. We'll be in a better position to advise once we've completed the CAD design stage. 2. The loco will be able to negotiate Peco 2nd radius curves. I hope this helps. Cheers, Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edge Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 (edited) Nice Two Qs. How easy would it to convert to the origonal bunker and what is the minimum radius? I think that design work may need to be a tad more progressed for these questions to be answered. However, as only the rocking bunker version is being made, i suspect that it may be needed to provide clearance for a motor/circuitboards etc, which would make conversion a tad tricky EDIT: hattons dave beat me to it... Edited November 19, 2018 by Edge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Steven B Posted November 19, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 19, 2018 Wow! Hopefully this will be successful and we'll see the ICI Hoppers and YOB Crane scaled down too. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Hattons Dave Posted November 19, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 19, 2018 Pretty amazed that they are going for this after quite a few problems with the 00 gauge model. But impressed - especially at that price. What were the 00 issues, please? Hi Joseph and scotty, The few issues we had with the OO Gauge Garratts were due to design and assembly. These have been identified and remedied on the latest release that is forthcoming from Heljan as a general release. Our N Gauge model will be a completely new design and will incorporate lessons learned from previous projects as well as being produced in a different factory. I hope this helps. Cheers, Dave 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold scottystitch Posted November 19, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 19, 2018 The Midland coal fields...and London, are a long way from my "Glasgow North", so I can't see any justification for one for myself, sadly. But thank you for developing into the N Gauge market! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bingley hall Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 Thank you Hattons. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Al Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 Will be interesting to see the mechanism design on this - with one end powered only. Will traction tyres be necessary? As a benchmark, kitbuilt Garratts (on pairs of RTR chassis) can usually tow getting on for 100 wagons. Cheers,Alan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Nile Posted November 19, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 19, 2018 A nice surprise for a wet Monday, thanks for announcing it now rather than announcing an announcement of an announcement.......etc. Makes much more sense in this scale, 100 wagons trains no problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rue_d_etropal Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 At least this time you have the original drawings before you start, although I don't think that caused any problems with the OO version. Also interesting that Heljan are planning to produce more of the OO models.Are Heljan involved this time? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdvle Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 Also interesting that Heljan are planning to produce more of the OO models.Are Heljan involved this time? From message 10: Our N Gauge model will be a completely new design and will incorporate lessons learned from previous projects as well as being produced in a different factory Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 Will be interesting to see the mechanism design on this - with one end powered only. Will traction tyres be necessary? Not sure what's powered actually "5 pole motor driving bunker end" sounds like the rotating thingy to me ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zunnan Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 I'm hoping that the single motorised engine rather than both won't be too much a limitation on its hauling capacity, or at least common chassis parts are used front and rear so it is easier for the more determined of us to motorise both ends. I'm a little hemmed in to considering these being as this isn't a rule 1 model. I'm glad that they were light engine moves at the point where the layout saw them on the odd occasion though, I don't own nearly enough stock to load one up properly and be able to provide other locomotives with work! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Nile Posted November 19, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 19, 2018 (edited) I suspect that if it turns out to be a bit of a slippery slug that plan B is to motorize the front unit as well. Plenty of time to sort these issues out before they are released. Edited November 19, 2018 by Nile Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfaZagato Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 Stop spending my money before I make it. I'll have to see what number my OO unit is, to see if I can get a match without renumbering. Interesting about going the route of single-end power. Coreless motors couldn't fit in the lead tank? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy L S Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 BR Black 47981 ordered, it would be rude not to! It would be good if the spec could include a pre installed speaker in a sound chamber so that with the Next 18 socket sound can be a simple "plug and play" job. Big thanks to Hattons for taking the plunge into N and with such an iconic prototype. An ideal "Rule 1" loco, in fact should find a home on any layout! Roy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul80 Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 I wonder who Hattons have chosen to build this rather unique loco, hope it's not Dapol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomsontour Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 Blimey didnt see this one coming, fair play guys! i think this one might be a bit of a push down on the Surrey Hills haha, look forward to seeing the progress though on this one, and potential N gauge items that you might be doing in the future, good luck with it guys All the best Matt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdvle Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 I wonder who Hattons have chosen to build this rather unique loco, hope it's not Dapol Based on the 66 and the 2 most recent steam offerings in OO Hattons is now dealing with a factory directly and not using a middle company. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomag Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 I wonder who Hattons have chosen to build this rather unique loco, hope it's not Dapol The LNER U1 was unique; there were 33 LMS Garratts. How to justify one or two on a late 1980's ECML/GEML layout, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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