GWR8700 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Hornby-prairie-safety-valve.jpg Lovely tall safety valve cover, Hornby. There's only one slight problem. It's not the one you want. The artwork shows the shorter safety valve so hopefully this error has been picked up by Hornby. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Islesy Posted January 7, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 7, 2019 And no doubt Hornby will be monitoring this thread for constructive appraisal such as this..in the spirit of what my namesake in post 17 above calls ‘ A professional approach by the greater community ‘. Constructive appraisal and feedback, in my opinion Ian, warrants communication via DM with examples and sources. An exchange of dialogue such that we have enjoyed in the past. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatthewCarty Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) From the first few picture, it was the cylinder cut out for the leading pony that immediately jumped out to me. Dapol had at least on the mogul managed to find a way around this. Compare Hornby's https://www.Hornby.com/uk-en/shop/new-for-2019/br-class-61xx-large-prairie-2-6-2t-6145-era-4.html with Dapol's https://digest.Dapol.co.uk/forum/main-forum/steam-aa/gwr-mogul-4300-class/7818-63xx-mogul-project-managers-blog Edited January 7, 2019 by MatthewCarty Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 The artwork shows the shorter safety valve so hopefully this error has been picked up by Hornby. I do not know which of the CAD or the EP Hornby regards as their current reference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted January 7, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2019 Constructive appraisal and feedback, in my opinion Ian, warrants communication via DM with examples and sources. An exchange of dialogue such that we have enjoyed in the past. Apologies,I had completely forgotten your post on the matter elsewhere.You are quite right.I will now withdraw the post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 7, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2019 I do not know which of the CAD or the EP Hornby regards as their current reference. Never ever take EPs as a conclusive guide - they are simply a reflection of development at the time they were produced and things can have moved on since then. It also depends very much on what they produced for such as checking the mechanism fits the body or something else very different from checking various items of detail. And don't forget too that a pale coloured unpainted EP can often be misleading because of reflections etc. Usually the most current version of the CAD - provided you know it is the most current version - is the best guide but sometimes even CADs can be misleading depending on the angle from which they are viewed (the proper software for handling them allows viewing from many different angles). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Nile Posted January 7, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 7, 2019 The chassis block visible under the boiler front looks odd to me, surely they could have avoided that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuffer Davies Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 It's nice to see Hornby go back to the drawing board with some of the older elements of it's range including those that they inherited, I'm happy to see them give the Large Prairie a makeover as they really needed to get rid of the moulded shovel and other parts of the old Airfix model, that said I will probably wait until Dapol releases their version to make up my mind as to which way to go, I eagerly await Miss Prism's review of this model. For me the biggest disappointment is that this is yet another instance of the identical class of Large Prairie. Would it have been just as feasible for either Dapol or Hornby to model the larger and earlier 31xx and/or its derivatives with the standard 4 boiler? This loco was first built in 1908 and therefore would be suitable for a wider time period than the later 51xx with is standard 2 boiler. In this way the two manufacturers would not be in such direct competition with each other. It just feels like a missed opportunity to me. Frank 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darwinian Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Good to see with and without bunker side steps. Hope there will be a no cab-side shutters version for pre-mid 30s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clearwater Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 I note the number sequence has some gaps between R3719 and R3725 - at 20,22 and 24. Will they likely fill in the series with other livery variants? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 7, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2019 For me the biggest disappointment is that this is yet another instance of the identical class of Large Prairie. Would it have been just as feasible for either Dapol or Hornby to model the larger and earlier 31xx and/or its derivatives with the standard 4 boiler? This loco was first built in 1908 and therefore would be suitable for a wider time period than the later 51xx with is standard 2 boiler. In this way the two manufacturers would not be in such direct competition with each other. It just feels like a missed opportunity to me. Frank I'm somewhat confused by that comment. Firstly why on earth shouldn't Hornby got for the largest part and operationally longest lived similar classes in the GWR's large prairie fleet. Surely that would be the logical choice for maximum number of available liveries and to model engines that worked over a good chunk of the former GWR network; looking at it objectively for a company ;looking to maximise sales, make best use of their R&D team and get back to profitability it would have been daft to do anything different. As far as what was essentially the late comer from Dapol is concerned it is not exactly easy from looking at the CAD view they showed to work out what particular series of large prairie it was meant to represent with a 3150 cab roof and numerous errors. Maybe, if they continue their project, Dapol will adjust it to represent a different variant although I think they'll be just as likely to drop it seeing how far ahead Hornby are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenway Park Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 May have to purchase 6145 as I have the number plate from this loco. Also saw the real thing at Southall shed. Will speak to Derails tomorrow. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted January 8, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) For me the biggest disappointment is that this is yet another instance of the identical class of Large Prairie. Would it have been just as feasible for either Dapol or Hornby to model the larger and earlier 31xx and/or its derivatives with the standard 4 boiler? This loco was first built in 1908 and therefore would be suitable for a wider time period than the later 51xx with is standard 2 boiler. In this way the two manufacturers would not be in such direct competition with each other. It just feels like a missed opportunity to me. Frank I sort of agree with this sentiment, but the 3150/5101/61xx variant is by far the most numerous and widely geographically spread of the large prairies. There are other variants, but the Churchward 31xx mentioned with the no.4 boiler was not a large class, and the Collett 81xx, 5'3" driving wheels and a 61xx high pressure no.2 boiler, and 'prairia ultima', the Collett 31xx, also with 5'3" driving wheels and a no. 4 boiler, both classes of 10 members each. It is possible that more of these might have been built instead of the later 41xx series of 5101s, but the war and Collett's retirement put paid to that. And a large prairie to modern standards is long overdue; really, it was always going to be this version whoever produced it! Wonder if Dapol might be interested in having a go at the 81xx or Collett 31xx, though... Edited January 8, 2019 by The Johnster 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 I sent a message to Paul Isles about the liveries of the different variations of the large prairie. He has responded and he is happy for me to put this information on the forum; R3719 is G W R (plain green) R3721 is GREAT WESTERN (plain green) R3723 is Early Emblem BR (plain black) R3725 is Late Emblem BR (Lined Green) Fabulous. Thanks for asking that question. It's nice to know there is a firm plan. It answered my first question when looking at the initial posting. Hornby often drops the ball in describing which Great Western livery they are planning to make in their initial collateral. When they encourage pre-orders, this is an important detail. Interesting choice to produce the large Prairie with Collett "GREAT WESTERN" and Hawksworth liveries and offer new coaches with the shirt button. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neal Ball Posted January 8, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 8, 2019 Fabulous. Thanks for asking that question. It's nice to know there is a firm plan. It answered my first question when looking at the initial posting. Hornby often drops the ball in describing which Great Western livery they are planning to make in their initial collateral. When they encourage pre-orders, this is an important detail. Interesting choice to produce the large Prairie with Collett "GREAT WESTERN" and Hawksworth liveries and offer new coaches with the shirt button. Indeed an odd choice - but with the gaps in the R37xx series above, it looks as if one of the missing numbers will be the GWR roundel 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted January 8, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 8, 2019 Interesting choice to produce the large Prairie with Collett "GREAT WESTERN" and Hawksworth liveries and offer new coaches with the shirt button.You could say it’s a clever choice given one coach livery that would be seen with both loco liveries 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 I think most of the 51XX and 61XX were built with GREAT WESTERN from new. Add in the war and it's doubtful that many received the roundel. Probably just 6160 - 6169 and 4100 - 4139 with a handful of repaints. 1929-30 (5101 - 5110, 5150 - 5159)to lot number 257, 1930-31 (5160 - 5189) to lot number 259, 1931 (6100 - 6129) to lot number 269, 1932-33 (6130 - 6159) to lot number 278, 1934 (5190 - 5199) to lot number 284, 1935 (6160 - 6169) to lot number 291, 1935-36 (4100 - 4119) to lot number 292, 1936-37 (4120 - 4129) to lot number 313, 1938-39 (3100 - 3104) to lot number 319, 1938-39 (8100 - 8109) to lot number 320, 1939 (4130 - 4139) to lot number 323. 1946 (4140 - 4149) to lot number 335, 1947 (4150 - 4159) to lot number 361, 1948-49 (4160 - 4179) to lot number 369, Info taken from http://www.greatwestern.org.uk/m_in_262.htm Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuffed 1 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) Well done Hornby! We can but hope they get the details right and that thoughts will be turning towards a Manor! Any idea when they will be available? Edited January 8, 2019 by Chuffed 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenway Park Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Dropped into Derails today to pre order 6145. It was a hive of activity with the phone going constantly. Also ordered the Ruston version of the 48DS to act as distillery/bottling plant shutter. Will have to save for the next J36. Bachmann next week so will return if there is anything of interest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 How easy, I wonder, might it be to hack a 3150 out of one of these, as this is the only Large Prairie of any use to me. Different boiler. Could the chassis at least be used? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted January 8, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 8, 2019 Well done Hornby! We can but hope they get the details right and that thoughts will be turning towards a Manor! Any idea when they will be available? The OP states due July 2019. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold john dew Posted January 8, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 8, 2019 Well done Hornby! We can but hope they get the details right and that thoughts will be turning towards a Manor! Any idea when they will be available? Perhaps Bachmann will surprise us with a Manor in their announcements? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenL Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Hornby-prairie-safety-valve.jpg Lovely tall safety valve cover, Hornby. There's only one slight problem. It's not the one you want. 5101-5110 and 5150-59 had tall safety valve bonnets according to this very helpful page: http://www.gwr.org.uk/no-prairies.html So maybe Hornby are tooling-up to cater for that variation too? I certainly hope so as I think it's what I need for St. Blazey's 5158 in 1947! Although I guess there's a chance bonnets were swapped around so that the aforementioned 5101s might have ended up with short bonnets at some points in their lives? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 How easy, I wonder, might it be to hack a 3150 out of one of these, as this is the only Large Prairie of any use to me. Different boiler. Could the chassis at least be used? The chassis is probably the only thing that could be used. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 So maybe Hornby are tooling-up to cater for that variation too? I certainly hope so as I think it's what I need for St. Blazey's 5158 in 1947! Although I guess there's a chance bonnets were swapped around so that the aforementioned 5101s might have ended up with short bonnets at some points in their lives? As Hornby's EP shows, they could do a tall safety valve version, but the number of prototypes so fitted was small, so maybe Hornby has decided against the option. (Arguably, Hornby has more fundamental feature options to address.) Given the large number of standard 2 boilers in the pool, it is surprising that more 5101 engines didn't appear with tall valves, and I get the impression from pics the boilers being selected from the pool on works visits kept to the style initially fitted. The standard 2 for the 61xx was a special, ringfenced for that class, having a nickel-steel firebox. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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