SRman Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 If these are the old Kirk kits, Jason, be aware that they don't have the correct Bulleid profile (ie continuous curve). Chris KT With that in mind, I bought some Comet brass sides to use on the Kirk kits - looks like they may be relegated to the bottom of the 'to do' pile! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted January 7, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2019 Sensible prices. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdvle Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 I'm very happy the tooling is this far along already, it makes the release date looks all the more achievable. What tooling? All that is shown is a 3D print from the CAD. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synch Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Once upon a time folks it was stated that Hornby and Bachmann were going to try and do their best not to duplicate eachother And yet here we are! Seems just as ridiculous as the Adams Radials honestly, do we truly need 2 manufacturers working on Bulleid coaches? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 do we truly need 2 manufacturers working on Bulleid coaches? They are different versions; read the information given and previous posts please. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceptic Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 From what we've been given so far, it LOOKS like these will be on the early-style Maunsell underframe not the revised version ( different battery boxes and dynamo ) that Hornby correctly used for their Driving Trailer ................. I hope they're aware of the apparent anomaly !!?! The 3D print sample certainly suggests the former layout (twin batteries per side). Although, the CGI profiles hint at single batteries, diagonally opposed. Note also the different detailed sides for the two different eras. The latter having recessed door top-lights, differing commode handles and reinforcing beading over body panel joints. If reproduced onto the models, it will be an astonishing attention to detail. Well done Hornby. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren01 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Well done Hornby, the long drought is over for Bulleid coaches, (Sorry Bachmann you taken to long) will be adding a few set of these to my roster. I never would have thought they would ever do these. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted January 7, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2019 What tooling? All that is shown is a 3D print from the CAD. Hornby is stating April 2019. That rather implies things are well advanced, doesn’t it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted January 7, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2019 Nice to see these, but why on earth can Hornby not get the correct colour for Malachite green! But if they replicate the green on the Malachite Maunsells the two fleets will look right on the same layout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren01 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Q, Why have they gone for so many brake thirds ?. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted January 7, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) Q, Why have they gone for so many brake thirds ?. The coaches were organized into 3-coach sets: brake third + composite + brake third. Hornby are producing 4 sets - 2 in SR livery, and 2 sets in BR livery, all with different running numbers. Edited January 7, 2019 by RFS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren01 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Would be nice if Hornby are doing them as sets to maybe color code the box for each set?. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdvle Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Hornby is stating April 2019. That rather implies things are well advanced, doesn’t it? But that isn't what the original poster said. The original message was "I'm very happy the tooling is this far along already, it makes the release date looks all the more achievable." which implies that Hornby has shown some sort of result of the tooling, like an EP or a proper sample. But Hornby haven't - all we have is a 3D print and some computer images. It may well be that the tooling is well progressed, and an additional month has passed since the Hornby press event, but Hornby haven't shown that the tooling even exists never mind is "far along" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 But that isn't what the original poster said. The original message was "I'm very happy the tooling is this far along already, it makes the release date looks all the more achievable." which implies that Hornby has shown some sort of result of the tooling, like an EP or a proper sample. But Hornby haven't - all we have is a 3D print and some computer images. It may well be that the tooling is well progressed, and an additional month has passed since the Hornby press event, but Hornby haven't shown that the tooling even exists never mind is "far along" Lighten up. Not everyone knows the technical terms. Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeoffBird Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Cour Courtesy of SEMGONLINE I can see these make up into sets. set 965--5711/2845/2846 set 973--5719/2861/2862 set 968--5714/2851/2852 set 972--5718/2859/2860 Formed 1946 and lasted well into the 60,s. Listed as Waterloo-Wof E Does this mean they were on the ACE and such trains only or could they be used on the Bournemouth line? regards, Ed According to Bradley, they were only used at first on gthe main-line WoE Expresses. By June 1947, they were used on Wloo´- Salibury and Wloo - Weymouth semi-fasts (superseded by 62`ft stock). In 1959, Sets sets 963 .-972 were re-allocated to S&D line Services, while 973-9 were re-allocated to Central area Services. Finally, set 978 served on the Hayling Island branch until closure. Just right for the new Terriers! By the way, has anyone seen a three-quarter pictube of the Bk 3rd? - Do we get the set numbers on the coach ends as Hornby have done with some of their Maunsell Caches? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceptic Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Q, Why have they gone for so many brake thirds ?. Hi Darren, If you look at Hornby's / Andy Y's list of proposed releases, here. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/140675-Hornby-new-tooling-59-bulleid-short-coaches/ you'll see that there are two proposed brake thirds / seconds for every composite. These will make up two correctly numbered (If chosen wisely) 3 - Car Sets for Era 3 (Southern), and two correctly numbered 3 - Car Sets for Era 4 (British Railways). The reasoning behind this is that previous, numbered. releases of Hornby's Maunsell corridor stock did not tie in, easily, with the formation of fixed sets, although this has become more easier after recent Maunsell releases, culminating in properly numbered, both coaches and sets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted January 7, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2019 But that isn't what the original poster said. The original message was "I'm very happy the tooling is this far along already, it makes the release date looks all the more achievable." which implies that Hornby has shown some sort of result of the tooling, like an EP or a proper sample. But Hornby haven't - all we have is a 3D print and some computer images. It may well be that the tooling is well progressed, and an additional month has passed since the Hornby press event, but Hornby haven't shown that the tooling even exists never mind is "far along" Quite right. But all some of us care about is product release date, not semantics. April sounds good to me. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted January 7, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) I’m glad the cat is out of the bag now having been discussing these 59ft versions with H and the very different 64ft versions already announced bt the blue boxers for a few years. For further information on these releases and their formations and set numbers see my post here https://grahammuz.com/2019/01/07/Hornby-announce-2019-range-including-brand-new-bulleid-59ft-coaches-and-ex-lswr-diagram-1543-20-24t-brake-van/ Edited January 7, 2019 by Graham_Muz 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big James Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 These do look really good. I hope they do stick with the release schedule. But I better get saving though. Big James Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
railroadbill Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Ace! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted January 7, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) The sets were extensively used on the S&D and this excellent website here has many pictures of them on local trains - https://railphotoprints.uk/p752970880 Here are 3 examples, and the first one from May 1963 is interesting in that there are 3 sets together in Bath Green Park - one on the train and it seems two more are stored on one of the centre roads https://railphotoprints.uk/p752970880/e50a42f64 And two more nice ones in colour https://railphotoprints.uk/p752970880/e135f17c5 https://railphotoprints.uk/p752970880/e197cabdc Edited January 7, 2019 by RFS 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted January 7, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2019 I’m glad the cat is out of the bag now having been discussing these 59ft versions with H and the very different 64ft versions already announced bt the blue boxers for a few years. For further information on these releases and their formations and set numbers see my post here https://grahammuz.com/2019/01/07/Hornby-announce-2019-range-including-brand-new-bulleid-59ft-coaches-and-ex-lswr-diagram-1543-20-24t-brake-van/ Will the brake coaches be produced with the correct set numbers on the ends? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 I recall how mixed up the trains were in the early 1960s with short and long coaches, deep and shallow vents etc but with two ranges of Bulleids now promised, there are no 'skirted-over' solebars, no brake composites and no tavern cars. The quirky deep sides extending over the solebars gave a distinctive appearance, while brake compos are needed for the one-coach drop-offs from the 'ACE'. Surely the tavern cars would be a wonderful opportunity for a masterpiece of modern printing - and they weren't confined to SR either - didn't the Eastern make use of a set on the 'Master Cutler?' (CJL) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted January 7, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2019 Will the brake coaches be produced with the correct set numbers on the ends? That is my understanding as per recent Hornby Maunsell releases. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted January 7, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2019 I recall how mixed up the trains were in the early 1960s with short and long coaches, deep and shallow vents etc but with two ranges of Bulleids now promised, there are no 'skirted-over' solebars, no brake composites and no tavern cars. The quirky deep sides extending over the solebars gave a distinctive appearance, while brake compos are needed for the one-coach drop-offs from the 'ACE'. Surely the tavern cars would be a wonderful opportunity for a masterpiece of modern printing - and they weren't confined to SR either - didn't the Eastern make use of a set on the 'Master Cutler?' (CJL) The forthcoming Bachmann range includes a brake composite - https://www.hattons.co.uk/337549/Bachmann_Branchline_34_800_Bulleid_brake_composite_10_Vents_in_BR_green_Price_is_estimated_we_will_notify/StockDetail.aspx Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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