montyburns56 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 I've just been watching Sam's Trains Youtube channel where he recently reviewed the Hornby re-release of the Lima 101 dmu. He was commenting about how the detail standards weren't as good as modern models or even that great for when Hornby released it (2007 I think) and I was struggling to remember exactly what year Lima first released it. It got me curious as to exactly what year each of their models were released, especially those that are still in the Hornby range so can anyone remember the years? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YesTor Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 (edited) Not sure about individual models/classes but funnily enough I unearthed a pile of old catalogues the other week which made for fairly interesting viewing: 1984/85 catalogue: first appearance of Class 20 1985/86 catalogue: first appearance of Class 37, 73, 253 (IC125), first Class 87 in Inter-City livery 1987/88 catalogue: first appearance of Class 40, 47, more Class 37, 73, 87. It also looks as though Lima went crazy that year for Mk I, II, III coaches in Blue/Grey, Inter-City, Network South East. So that would make the Class 101 post-1988, whereby I have no further catalogues it seems beyond this point. Edited May 9, 2019 by YesTor 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted May 10, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 10, 2019 Some of those dates are a bit off I think, the Lima HST was earlier, around 1982 with scale length MkIII coaches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartynJPearson Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 My 11th birthday in November 1984 saw me getting my first trains - a Lima InterCity 125 in BR blue. I think that might have been out only recently as Your Model Railway at the time reviewed it, pointing out the fault in that the InterCity 125 lettering was black. Didn't bother me, I loved it and the miles that must have done!! At the same time a trade in of old toys with a colleague of my Dad's yielded some more stock - Lima MK1's and a class 117 DMU which as they were preowned must have predated that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giz Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 I bought my first 117 in late 1981 when they had just been released and I'm fairly sure the 20 arrived in the shops in 1985 as I bought my first one at the STAR swapmeet in Cardiff when I was working in South Wales. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted May 10, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 10, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, YesTor said: Not sure about individual models/classes but funnily enough I unearthed a pile of old catalogues the other week which made for fairly interesting viewing: 1984/85 catalogue: first appearance of Class 20 1985/86 catalogue: first appearance of Class 37, 73, 253 (IC125), first Class 87 in Inter-City livery 1987/88 catalogue: first appearance of Class 40, 47, more Class 37, 73, 87. It also looks as though Lima went crazy that year for Mk I, II, III coaches in Blue/Grey, Inter-City, Network South East. So that would make the Class 101 post-1988, whereby I have no further catalogues it seems beyond this point. I have a catalogue for 1980/81 (and a price list dated 1 January 1980) and that was a big year for new models. Existing models J50 94XX Prairie 45XX King Class 09 Class 33 Class 55 Deltic Class 52 Western Listed as New - I think the Crab was some years later & maybe the V2? Crab V2 Class 42 Warship GWR Railcar Class 117 DMU Class 87 Prices varied from 11.50 to 23.99! 1981/82 Added the Class 50 and GWR Parcels railcar. 1982/83 Added the HST Edited May 10, 2019 by kevinlms More info 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
47401 Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 The Lima HST first appeared in summer of 1982 as I distinctly remember showing it to friends in Derby which will have been when I worked there. I bought the set which had two power cars and two coaches. I am pretty sure that the Class 20 was summer 1984 as I was working at York and can remember testing my green one on a York model railway club layout. My first Lima model was the J50 which I got whilst at school so that will have been the mid late 70s (1976?) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giz Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 29 minutes ago, 47401 said: The Lima HST first appeared in summer of 1982 as I distinctly remember showing it to friends in Derby which will have been when I worked there. I bought the set which had two power cars and two coaches. I am pretty sure that the Class 20 was summer 1984 as I was working at York and can remember testing my green one on a York model railway club layout. My first Lima model was the J50 which I got whilst at school so that will have been the mid late 70s (1976?) Yes, the 20 could have been 1984 as I worked in South Wales from early 83 to the end of 85. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted May 10, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 10, 2019 I remember the V2 being in the catalogue, I wonder what model the used for it as obviously it never was released. In the same catalogue there were some nice looking semaphore signals which also weren't released Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Geep7 Posted May 10, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 10, 2019 If I recall correctly, the class 101 was first produced by Lima in the mid-90's, I think around '95-'96. It's one of Lima's better bodyshells, although the early examples had the moulded on RF pod and post-refurb bodyside vents used for the earlier liveries. It was really let down by using the existing underscale bogies for the 117. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 The HST was first announced about 1980. The original mock up actually used Hornby power cars and Jouef coaches. The 87 was circa 1982, about the same time as the Class 50. They were definitely out before 1984 as I'd virtually stopped buying modern at that point. Still waiting for the V2 announced in 1980.... The mock up was a kit version. Nu Cast? I'll dig out Ramsay's later if someone else doesn't before hand. Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold D9020 Nimbus Posted May 10, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 10, 2019 The Crab was introduced — ISTR they made the tender (wrongly) the same width as the loco. They probably thought the drawings were wrong... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted May 10, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 10, 2019 I concur with 1995 for the 101 as I bought the Network SouthEast one at the Epsom show at Epsom Racecourse where it had arrived in the country a matter of days beforehand. Still got a preorder in for the centre car in NSE which was in the catalogue but never produced. Retailer and manufacturer having both disappeared into history long ago now. If I recall there was also in at least one catalogue a land grab of announcements of Peaks, 90's and 91's among others, none of which ever saw the light of day or were mentioned by Lima ever again. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted May 10, 2019 Author Share Posted May 10, 2019 1 hour ago, John M Upton said: If I recall there was also in at least one catalogue a land grab of announcements of Peaks, 90's and 91's among others, none of which ever saw the light of day or were mentioned by Lima ever again. Others mentioning the vapourware V2 reminded me of a Lima catalogue that I once had that featured all of those forthcoming models that never arrived. And considering that a lot of the Lima models that are still being produced such as the 47 and 73, are now over 30 years old, they still look pretty good. Does anyone remember what years the 67 was released as I believe it was their last new model and was only a few years before they went bust in 2004. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenser Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 20 hours ago, YesTor said: Not sure about individual models/classes but funnily enough I unearthed a pile of old catalogues the other week which made for fairly interesting viewing: 1984/85 catalogue: first appearance of Class 20 1985/86 catalogue: first appearance of Class 37, 73, 253 (IC125), first Class 87 in Inter-City livery 1987/88 catalogue: first appearance of Class 40, 47, more Class 37, 73, 87. It also looks as though Lima went crazy that year for Mk I, II, III coaches in Blue/Grey, Inter-City, Network South East. So that would make the Class 101 post-1988, whereby I have no further catalogues it seems beyond this point. I purchased the Lima BG and CCT as early as 1978. I acquired a Mk1 SK in blue grey either in 1978/9, or in 1980/1 - probably the latter. I also had (and have) a Lima 09 , so 1977-8 for that introduction I think the 1984/5 date may be accurate for the Lima 20 as that initial teenage layout had a Wrenn 20 - I'm sure the Lima one wasn't available then, but it was by the time I started Ravenser Mk1 in 1988/9. I'm pretty sure the Lima J50 was available before we went out to Australia in March 1979, and I think a friend had the Deltic before then. The Class 33 was of course the first model Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 6 hours ago, D9020 Nimbus said: The Crab was introduced — ISTR they made the tender (wrongly) the same width as the loco. They probably thought the drawings were wrong... The loco was the same width as the tender - it was possible with plastic card to pad it out to make to look more accurate in part albeit the cab was too narrow. Pat Hammond in British Model Trains Catalogue gives the years of introduction as 1976 - J50 1977 - 33, Deltic 1978 - 4575, King, 08 1979 - 94xx, Western, 87 1980 - Crab, Warship, GW Railcar, 117 1982 - HST, GW Parcels Railcar 1984 - 20, 50 1986 - 73 1987 - 37, 47 1988 - 40 1989 - 26, 27, 31, 156 1990 - 60 1994 - 59 1997 - 101 1998 - 121 1999 - 57, 66 2002 - 67 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 On 10/05/2019 at 21:11, Butler Henderson said: The loco was the same width as the tender - it was possible with plastic card to pad it out to make to look more accurate in part albeit the cab was too narrow. Pat Hammond in British Model Trains Catalogue gives the years of introduction as 1976 - J50 1977 - 33, Deltic 1978 - 4575, King, 08 1979 - 94xx, Western, 87 1980 - Crab, Warship, GW Railcar, 117 1982 - HST, GW Parcels Railcar 1984 - 20, 50 1986 - 73 1987 - 37, 47 1988 - 40 1989 - 26, 27, 31, 156 1990 - 60 1994 - 59 1997 - 101 1998 - 121 1999 - 57, 66 2002 - 67 The class 50 was 1982. I had one for my 16th birthday in 1983. Mark Humphrys Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyboardist Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Ok, cat among pigeons time. Ebay has a OO/Ho Peak Class 45 by LIMA listed right now - opinions sought.... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/393942962196?hash=item5bb8d49014:g:rA4AAOSwwfRiDrE5 The bogie definitely is not Mainline, and the flimsiness of the buffer-beam attachment looks like this may have been a pre-production attempt by Lima - grab it someone while you can! May be a piece of history!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PMP Posted February 24, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Keyboardist said: Ok, cat among pigeons time. Ebay has a OO/Ho Peak Class 45 by LIMA listed right now - opinions sought.... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/393942962196?hash=item5bb8d49014:g:rA4AAOSwwfRiDrE5 The bogie definitely is not Mainline, and the flimsiness of the buffer-beam attachment looks like this may have been a pre-production attempt by Lima - grab it someone while you can! May be a piece of history!! It’s a Lima class 40 chassis with a Bachmann body grafted on by the looks. Edited February 24, 2022 by PMP 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyboardist Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 A bit of a hatchet job then! Oh well! Thanks for the gen. Cheers! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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