iak Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 When do us non EMGS members get a chance to purchase these beasties please? Long story and too tedious to retell... 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley Melrose Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 Much more relevant - when do we P4 modellers get to purchase them to our specification? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KeithHC Posted April 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 8, 2021 Just to give a taster after about 45 mins work this morning I have a 00 turn out. More write up to follow later Keith 22 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Smith Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 Looks good. A thinner more flexible wire would be easier to solder and handle. I just use a 24 gauge dropper wire. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted April 8, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 8, 2021 8 minutes ago, Jeff Smith said: Looks good. A thinner more flexible wire would be easier to solder and handle. I just use a 24 gauge dropper wire. 0.5 brass rod for me. Mike. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Smith Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 24 AWG or BWG are about half a mm.... (yes I know they're different, but not much!) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted April 8, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 8, 2021 8 minutes ago, Jeff Smith said: 24 AWG or BWG are about half a mm.... (yes I know they're different, but not much!) But need considerably different sized holes to be drilled in baseboards and less obvious if used on the side of a rail, hence my preference! Mike. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
whart57 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 17 hours ago, Stanley Melrose said: Much more relevant - when do we P4 modellers get to purchase them to our specification? After us 3mm guys I hope 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Robert Shrives Posted April 8, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 8, 2021 All brilliant work Wayne , but you must feel you have opened a pandora`s box as a one man band with the sensible requests for 3mm option - crossing nose would be the same as oofs I think . Let alone P4 and the the other sensible request for a 21mm gauge Irish 4mm option ( oh that would have been me! ) Hopefully some kits will get to market during the late spring and then time for a 5 minute rest ! Take care Robert 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasatcopthorne Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 18 hours ago, Stanley Melrose said: Much more relevant - when do we P4 modellers get to purchase them to our specification? and after us 00SF builders!!! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium NFWEM57 Posted April 8, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Robert Shrives said: All brilliant work Wayne , but you must feel you have opened a pandora`s box as a one man band with the sensible requests for 3mm option - crossing nose would be the same as oofs I think . Let alone P4 and the the other sensible request for a 21mm gauge Irish 4mm option ( oh that would have been me! ) Hopefully some kits will get to market during the late spring and then time for a 5 minute rest ! Take care Robert 1 hour ago, Robert Shrives said: All brilliant work Wayne , but you must feel you have opened a pandora`s box as a one man band with the sensible requests for 3mm option - crossing nose would be the same as oofs I think . Let alone P4 and the the other sensible request for a 21mm gauge Irish 4mm option ( oh that would have been me! ) Hopefully some kits will get to market during the late spring and then time for a 5 minute rest ! Take care Robert A long overdue Pandora's box and most welcome. Game changer extraordinaire..! I feel sure Wayne has a plan..! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roythebus1 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 7 hours ago, KeithHC said: Just to give a taster after about 45 mins work this morning I have a 00 turn out. More write up to follow later Keith Wot, no check rails?? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KeithHC Posted April 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 9, 2021 Ok last night I completed the turnout yes that includes the check rails. Now John(Hayfield) exclaimed WOW I will second that yes this is a game changer. I call my self the ham fisted modeller I am in the rtr plonk and go camp at the moment. I want to be a better modeller but do worry about ruining an item that nowadays cost quite a bit. I have always liked the look of well built track work and was bought up following Peter Denny etc. One layout back then that struck a chord was the EM layout of Sid Stubbs. Today I follow John’s workbench and the likes of Gordon S and the Lairds Leeds central. I have always wanted to have a go at track building but have only made a couple of false starts. So to the job in hand namely an 00 B7 left hand turnout. I had read John’s review of the EM B7 and made sure I followed his advice. How did I do just fine the process seams to flow. Firstly i soldered the dropper on the crossing. Thanks Guy’s for the advice on droppers I just used a wire I had in hand at the time. Once we open up I live close to a certain emporium so supplies will be close to hand. Right back to the build I superglued the crossing in place in the locating holes and left that to dry overnight. As per the instructions and John’s advice I cut the switch rails, yes my first mistake I should have measured twice then cut. The straight switch is a bit short but should not be a problem. The switches where then fed into the chairs. I used a pair of long nosed pliers to feed the rails taking care to ensure they where not forced in. I did try to put a slight curve into one switch but I don’t think it was needed. Once the rails where in place the tie bar is fixed by interesting the tiny pins into the locating holes. Make sure you have plenty of light to see what you are doing. One advantage I did find was the turnout base is flexible enough to bend down to allow fixing of the tie bar. Once the bar is done it’s in with the stock rails both slid in ok. Yes I did knock off the last sleeper but it is not a problem again my fault not Wayne’s excellent product. I made the two additional stock rails to be placed after the crossing from the offcuts of the switch rails. These where inserted leaving an insulation gap. Wayne talks about a gap of the thickness of two sheets I used initially the packaging for the switch blades but maybe a piece of plasticard will suffice. Then the check rails where added here tweezers are used to feed the rail through. Wayne supplies sufficient rail to use for the check rails. Again my fault not Wayne’s but a not knock a chair off. It should be easy to replace. Would I do it again absolutely YES am I a track builder no but I can assemble a turnout kit. Would I do anything different yes I would probably install the check rails first before the stock rails. I know this is against convention but the turnout base has total control of the gauge. If I can do it anyone can this is a game changer and it does open up EM to more modellers as well. Thank you Wayne I wish you all the best this as stated before is a fantastic product already looking forward to getting to grips with a crossing and a slip something I thought I would never be able to do. Keith the ham fisted modeller and turnout assembler. 21 3 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Robert Shrives Posted April 9, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 9, 2021 That is a good show and tell. My first point was a solder up 12mm point back in the last century. My second was 12" to the foot 3way stub point in Minffordd Yard with a school working party as my gang - still there today and subsequently work on Gauge one points for Bob Symes and 2mmfs, all took care in measurements. The game change was Wayne`s N gauge points and a good range is available. I am glad that the 4mm sector can now enjoy the fruits of his labours. I still have some solder up kits of varying parentage to try in 21mm must did out ready! 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithHC Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 Just noticed on the photo the straight road check rail needs to be moved my fault again. Keith 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted April 9, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 9, 2021 2 hours ago, KeithHC said: Just noticed on the photo the straight road check rail needs to be moved my fault again. Keith The first one is the learning curve, don't worry about it, my curve hasn't straightened much over the years! Mike. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium BSW01 Posted April 9, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 9, 2021 There's an old saying, "the man who makes no mistakes, is a man who makes nothing". Learning from them is the hardest part. 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithHC Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 Good morning all I would like to thank you all for the ticks claps etc you have all put on my post above. However these should all be for the product I just put a few pieces together. It is the ability of Wayne that makes this all work not a Ham Fisted modeller. What I hoped I have shown is that any one of us can produce a scale 4mm product with minimal work. In all it probably took me between 45mins and 1hour to complete and could be done on a tray in front of the telly. What this does open up is the ability for someone like me to seriously consider EM. Now where is the Ultrascale order form....... A big thank you to Wayne keep on with the development. Keith 13 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBAGE Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 This has probably been discussed previously and I've missed it but is the product designed so that the top of the rail aligns with any existing suppliers flexitrack track making products? What is the height from the base to the top of the rail? Not something that's insurmountable, but it would be useful if the points were are direct fit. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Kinney Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 12 minutes ago, RBAGE said: This has probably been discussed previously and I've missed it but is the product designed so that the top of the rail aligns with any existing suppliers flexitrack track making products? What is the height from the base to the top of the rail? Not something that's insurmountable, but it would be useful if the points were are direct fit. It's 4mm from base to rail top, same as Peco bullhead and C&L thick sleeper flexi track. 1 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Wayne Kinney said: It's 4mm from base to rail top, same as Peco bullhead and C&L thick sleeper flexi track. Don't forget the Exactoscale Fastrack 00 gauge bases, they also are 1.6mm thick 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesysmith Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 What have you started? Better points, in 00, 00sf, em, and various other less mainstream requests. Then double it for flat bottomed versions. I think someone will be a busy man lol. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithHC Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, cheesysmith said: What have you started? Better points, in 00, 00sf, em, and various other less mainstream requests. Then double it for flat bottomed versions. I think someone will be a busy man lol. Totally agree with this. Once these kits are out there a lot of modellers will be going wow. I can’t wait to start building more they are that easy to put together. Maybe Brighton will have to be renamed as Seaton 2......... The way Wayne has developed his system allows for eventually covering many more scales gauges and long May it continue. Keith proud to been able to build one of the first 00 B7. 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
whart57 Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 And we look forward to 3mm finescale versions 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted April 15, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 15, 2021 5 hours ago, KeithHC said: Keith proud to been able to build one of the first 00 B7. Do you want a blue plaque for the front of the house?!! Mike. 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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