RMweb Premium James Makin Posted April 28, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 28, 2015 I never noticed it though I only have one - Tintagel Castle. That had several other more visible problems with poorly fitted details. Nor have I noticed that problem on the Star. Like the Castle the Star had other more visible problems with poorly fitted details along with 'design clever' features. I bought the GW 'Wellington' model a couple of months back when they came out and it's been kept untouched in it's box since, but when taken out last week, the dome pretty much came off in my hands! I'm used to doing full rebuilds on all my stock anyway but if one was a collector you'd be pretty peeved haha! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 You say 'perpetuates' - so has this been apparent on previous Hornby 'Castles'? If so, it could be that the tools are worn. I don't have a recent 'Castle ' to check. However, a similar parting line is evident on some of the green-liveried 'Halls' and yet there is no sign of it on the two Olton Halls that I have. That suggests that there is more than one set of tools and possibly more than one factory producing them. As far as I can ascertain, a fine seam was there on the pre-production 'video' (silver model, Hawksworth tender). The first release R2822 Earl Cairns (which I have just acquired, will photograph over bank holiday weekend) has a very limited line on one side of boiler. The next release of Ince Castle has a more pronounced seam, with other single chimney releases having a less visible mark. It appears worse on the double chimney examples up to Tintangle, which was visible. The most recent models from REF factory, from pictures and viewings in the flesh, have visible seams. I guess it is possible the tooling wear occurred early on (though this would imply very short lives of tools), though given that Sanda Kan were producing all the castles up to the most recent batches (Wellington, Penrice and Caerphilly), one can only assume it was the same set of tools. The fact that the first release was minimally impacted by this issue suggests it CAN be got right... R2822 http://www.oliviastrains.com/wp-content/files_mf/13894559765053.JPG R2850 http://www.oliviastrains.com/wp-content/files_mf/14147654167034.JPG R2986 http://www.oliviastrains.com/wp-content/files_mf/1391078398R2986_7036.jpg R3118 http://www.oliviastrains.com/wp-content/files_mf/14093942637023.JPG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 Belatedly posting pictires of the new NRM castle: 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opelsi Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Well, I am still waiting for mine [Caerphilly Castle] from a certain South Yorkshire supplier. Apparently more stock expected in 20.5.15 - I do hope so, as I wouldn't want to find I have missed the boat by acting on any inaccurate info from said supplier (though I appreciate that they are themselves only passing on info from their supplier ie. the manufacturer). Anyway - fingers crossed it gets from China to South Yorkshire and on to me in North Yorkshire pronto! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 (edited) Well, I am still waiting for mine [Caerphilly Castle] from a certain South Yorkshire supplier. I'm waiting for my pre-order as well. I wonder if the only people who got these from the first batch ordered them directly from Hornby. Edited May 18, 2015 by Ozexpatriate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 I'm waiting for my pre-order as well. I wonder if the only people who got these from the first batch ordered them directly from Hornby. I certainly did not. It came from a Bristol supplier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opelsi Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 I was told the Sheffield Supplier in question got a few with the majority to follow on 20.5.15. We'll find out soon enough how accurate the date was! Toes crossed too now! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Peter's Spares still had a 4073 in the showcase this afternoon. Mike Wiltshire Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Just been in Peter's Spares and he has had a further delivery of six Caerphilly Castles. I would assume other traders will have received similar. Mike Wiltshire Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted June 10, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 10, 2015 Just been in Peter's Spares and he has had a further delivery of six Caerphilly Castles. I would assume other traders will have received similar. Mike Wiltshire I know opinions must be subjective on this but I'd be glad of a considered opinion on NRM Hornby 4073.Yours is one I respect. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I know opinions must be subjective on this but I'd be glad of a considered opinion on NRM Hornby 4073.Yours is one I respect. My views on Caerphilly Castle are based on examples seen in store, at the NRM and on a friend’s model that has been run in on my line. I have not bought one myself for reasons I will come to later. Running wise it is outstanding. Quiet, smooth and as good as/better than I can achieve with kit builds. Paint finish is very good as is all the detail, again I could spend six months building and painting and not be able to match the factory finish. Annoying for me, is that the great master plan need two further early batch Castles with 3,500 gallon tenders but this model is not going to help me without drastic surgery. Why? 4073 has been modelled in ‘preserved’ condition with silver lamp irons, handrails etc. Detail wise, the engine is as it was taken out of service in 1960 which means it has the later upgrade of a fire iron tunnel and speedometer. Ok the speedo is an easy removal. I have removed the fire iron tunnel from a Beverston Castle but it is quite a job and involves a repaint. My learned friends with industry connections are of the opinion that the original 5011 tooling is no longer accessible, resulting in all the latest Hornby Castles being of the later tooling, but coincidentally, and with the inside cylinder chest being a plug-in, does enable the ‘preserved’ version of 4073 to still be produced by Hornby. Again it looks superb for what it is supposed to be – a museum condition version of 4073. It runs straight from the box and pulls a nine coach kit built heavy train without any issues, with a tenth it starts to slip on some of my dodgy uneven areas. Many of us 192/30’s were hoping the Hornby would have used a plug-in fire iron tunnel to enable any version to be produced but sadly, this is not the case. I have tender swopped 3,500 gallon tenders from Stars with 5011 Collett tenders for my good friends late 1920’s layout. Easy you might say but as the Stars and castle appear to be from different factories the polarity wiring is different and caused a dead short when first tried. An unsoldering and switching of wires soon sorted, One reality check. 4073 appears to have sold well. In addition to my own visits, I have accompanied several school trips to York Museum and, in the shop, witnessed steady sales to what appeared to be the tourist market. Highlight of one day was seeing the staff having to find, wrap and administer VAT free, FOUR Caerphilly Castles for a US tourist possibly also a modeller. I see this as the true target market for this engine. Mike Wiltshire Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted June 11, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 11, 2015 Thank you,Mike for that extremely helpful post.Much obliged. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 4069 Posted June 12, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 12, 2015 (edited) There is one glaring error on the "face" of 4073: the upper lamp iron is on the smokebox door, not on the top, as it is on the real thing. As it's painted silver, you can't really miss it. Putting 4073 and 4003 side by side (should be in identical livery), the orange lining is a very different shade on the two models. Both look good, though. Edited June 12, 2015 by 4069 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted June 12, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 12, 2015 A renamed 5075 turned into 5077 Fairey Battle.Seen here on my rolling road. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGV Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 (edited) 4073 has been modelled in ‘preserved’ condition with silver lamp irons, handrails etc. Detail wise, the engine is as it was taken out of service in 1960 which means it has the later upgrade of a fire iron tunnel and speedometer. Looking at close-up photos it also has windscreen wipers. I can confirm that the original has these as I noticed them when I was at the museum last week. It is the first time that I have noticed these on a steam loco (perhaps I am just not very observant) and presume these were not fitted as built? Edited June 13, 2015 by KGV Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 4069 Posted June 14, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 14, 2015 Dammit, he's right! Though as built, looks like driver's side only, with wipers on the fireman's side being common by the BR era. Which makes it even more extraordinary that they got the top lamp iron wrong. Being painted silver, it's all too prominent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 A renamed 5075 turned into 5077 Fairey Battle.Seen here on my rolling road. DSCN6271.jpg Lovely job Rob. Who made the nameplates...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted June 24, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 24, 2015 Lovely job Rob. Who made the nameplates...? Modelmaster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neal Ball Posted September 3, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 3, 2015 Mine arrived back from Hon A Caerphilly Castle arrived by Hermes today a Birthday present from SWMBO it's a nice bit of kit the only downfall was the tender coupling kept falling out on a test run shame on you Hornby it's about time you sorted it , I consigned it to the junk box and a Bachmann one put on in it's place. Must do something with those shiny bits looks daft if it's to become a working engine. I too came to the Caerphilly Castle party a bit late :-) Mine arrived back from Hornby this week.... photos about to be posted on the Henley page. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted September 3, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 3, 2015 Even though it's not period authentic ,it really is a pretty little thing.You couldn't but fall for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted October 21, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 21, 2015 (edited) Earl of Mount Edgcumbe available through Hornby website. Edited October 21, 2015 by Hilux5972 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted October 21, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 21, 2015 I was trying to understand why the paring of E/C with double chimney. But of course,it's "as preserved " and currently running !! Looks very nice too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted October 21, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 21, 2015 Yes it certainly does Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted October 21, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 21, 2015 I was trying to understand why the paring of E/C with double chimney. But of course,it's "as preserved " and currently running !! Looks very nice too. An increasing potential problem Ian. More & more locos seem to be appearing in what can fairly readily be identified as 'as preserved./currently running' condition and in some cases they would be difficult to alter to 'in service' condition. many folk won't mind of course but some no doubt will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clearwater Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 (edited) From photos and the Book of the Castlrs, it appears that 5043 arrived at Barry with a collett tender. Checking the entries for other locos, 5051 was last paired with a hawks worth tender. I presume when 5051 left Barry, its purchasers asked for a tender swap? As an aside, I quite like having models of engines I've been behind on the mainline. Given that is currently only City of Wells, 46233, Tangmere, Bittern, Britannia and 5043 it is a realistic ambition! Edited October 21, 2015 by Clearwater Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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