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22 minutes ago, PMP said:

I suspect it was very unusual, a caption noted it as such

 

A regular occurrence on freight only lines around Tyneside and Teeside in the steam age when the working appendices stipulated unfitted freights trains could travel without a brake van.

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On the subject of lamps, no mention has been made yet of the working lamps available from DCC Concepts.  I am in the process of fitting a few of these, working lamps seem to be rarely modelled.   Here is one of their LNER lamps fitted to a Bachmann brake van, it works on both DC and DCC.  I would like to dim the light a bit more using a higher resistor to those supplied with it, and there is a little bit of light bleed through the base of the lamp that could probably do with an extra coat of paint.

 

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The lamps are perhaps a little oversized but look the part with a very fine wire handle.  They supply red, red-and-white and white LED's in a number of different styles to suit the 'big four'.  

 

In a room with dimmed lighting, dusk-like, they certainly add something to watching the trains go by.

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8 hours ago, 31A said:

On rolling stock which doesn't have lamp irons that can be used, I often make them from offcuts of small office staples.

I use staples and fit micromagnets to the lamps.

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13 hours ago, TheSignalEngineer said:

The handle on a tail lamp was designed to be hung from a coupling hook. There were certain places where it was permitted to move wagons without a brake van e.g. between sidings at opposite ends of stations. These were listed in the Sectional Appendix. A tail lamp had to be carried on the last vehicle.

Lancaster Green Ayre was one such place where the main reception sidings were eastvof the station but the goods yard and shed were west and the track layout demanded a propelling move. According to a retired fireman I talked to they had a stock of modified lamps for these moves. These had a long strap on one side so that the could be hung between the drawhook and the buffer shank, with the lamp near the drawhook. I was told that these lamps were kept outside the yatd office so I need to model them. Does anyone know what colour Midland Goods lamps would have been in 1923.

 

Jamie

 

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8 hours ago, Chamby said:

On the subject of lamps, no mention has been made yet of the working lamps available from DCC Concepts.  I am in the process of fitting a few of these, working lamps seem to be rarely modelled.   Here is one of their LNER lamps fitted to a Bachmann brake van, it works on both DC and DCC.  I would like to dim the light a bit more using a higher resistor to those supplied with it, and there is a little bit of light bleed through the base of the lamp that could probably do with an extra coat of paint.

 

IMG_4029.jpg.e3553355cb8e93e69f1a4d4956c56cf3.jpg

 

The lamps are perhaps a little oversized but look the part with a very fine wire handle.  They supply red, red-and-white and white LED's in a number of different styles to suit the 'big four'.  

 

In a room with dimmed lighting, dusk-like, they certainly add something to watching the trains go by.

That looks very effective, Phil (though do alter the roof profile on that adjacent Bachmann Thompson BG). 

 

Train Tech makes a similar lighting unit....... 

 

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It needs a lick of white paint once attached.

 

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And the leads from the LED need painting to disguise them.

 

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I deliberately exposed this shot to show the light effect. In normal lighting, it isn't this bright!

 

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It was fitted to a Bachmann brake van and appeared in Bachmann Times. The figure disguises the leads. 

 

The installation was quite straightforward (inside the cabin), and a 'disc'-type small battery supplies the power. It's motion-sensitive, so, when not in use, the lamp goes out. 

 

I don't bother with working lights/lamps on LB, so I gave it away to a friend's young son. 

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

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More on Bytham's lamps.........................

 

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Another example of the over-scale Springside BR lamps.

 

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In comparison with LMS' LNER ones.

 

Remember, please: these images blow the lamps up in size to Gauge 3 and more!  

 

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Springside's LNER lamps are nearer scale than their BR ones, though the handles are a bit chunky.

 

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These have had their handles replaced with wire. An improvement, though not recommended unless one only has one or two locos! 

 

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LMS' tail lamps are really good.

 

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As are ModelU's (fitted to Tom Foster's weathered GWR brake van). 

 

Don't forget, non fully-fitted freights carried side lamps on the brake vans as well. 

 

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Easy where rakes only go one way, I admit - but a tail lamp is essential as well on passenger trains (though this one's slightly wonky). 

 

Another advantage of one-way fixed rakes is that a dummy buckeye coupling and pipes can be installed; no nasty tension-lock sticking out here! 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Tony Wright said:

More on Bytham's lamps.........................

 

1310777498_Lamps01.jpg.c76915f655a9c5550bc9df2d60d07fa8.jpg

 

Another example of the over-scale Springside BR lamps.

 

349512007_Lamps02.jpg.ec8c97895c1888ff346815f4d6864f89.jpg

 

In comparison with LMS' LNER ones.

 

Remember, please: these images blow the lamps up in size to Gauge 3 and more!  

 

882831521_Lamps04.jpg.d4c71ee9f93e45dd7da7717b1f99716d.jpg

 

Springside's LNER lamps are nearer scale than their BR ones, though the handles are a bit chunky.

 

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Hi Tony, those lamps really make the model! I love the Doncaster A1 too, a proper loco!


Have you looked at the DCC Concepts LNER loco lamps? They're slightly more expensive, but they can light up (although I think you won't want this function!) They are also 'too scale' and look the business. I have loads I need to fit to my models!

 

Stay safe and happy modelling,

 

Dylan.

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5 hours ago, jamie92208 said:

Lancaster Green Ayre was one such place where the main re eption sidings were eastvof the station but the goods yard ans shed werecwest and the track layout demanded a propelling move. According to a retired fireman I talked to they had a stock of modified lamps for these moves. These had a long strap on one side so that the could be hung between the drawhook and the buffer shank, with the lamp near the drawhook. I was told that these lamps were kept outside the yatd office si I need to model them. Does anyone know what colour Midland Goods lamps would have been in 1923.

 

Jamie

 

Jamie, I think you either need a new keyboard or a new set of fingers.

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3 hours ago, Dylan Sanderson said:

Hi Tony, those lamps really make the model! I love the Doncaster A1 too, a proper loco!


Have you looked at the DCC Concepts LNER loco lamps? They're slightly more expensive, but they can light up (although I think you won't want this function!) They are also 'too scale' and look the business. I have loads I need to fit to my models!

 

Stay safe and happy modelling,

 

Dylan.

Thanks Dylan,

 

The Doncaster A1 (60125) is a modified Bachmann example, complete with replacement etched brass smoke deflectors, new bogie wheels, all the wiggly pipes and it's been renumbered/renamed/weathered.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

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2 hours ago, ScRSG said:

LMS tail lamps.

 

I thought I recognised this place! One of our number is obsessed with lamps on brake vans!

 

Chas

It is indeed, Chas.

 

No less a location than the wonderful Alloa!

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

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I've just started taking pictures of Hornby's latest large Prairie.................

 

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Not having conducted any research yet (and in a plea for assistance), is this a post-War manifestation? Or pre-War? 

 

I took this one out of its box, and the roof promptly fell off! A friend's just bought one, and a driving wheel fell off his!!!!!

 

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Same question; pre- or post-War? 

 

Both of these run beautifully on my test track , and this afternoon I'll take some moving footage of them on LB. 

 

I don't have any pictures of the previous Hornby 51XX/61XX Classes (were they ex-Arfix?), but I didn't know that the central 'strap' on the boiler stood proud. On ones I've built, I've soldered it flush. 

 

61XXs (Wills/SEF kits) have appeared on Little Bytham before....................... 

 

 

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A very good runner this one.................... Note, the central strap flush. 

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1 hour ago, St Enodoc said:

To be absolutely frank, I'd rather see an overscale Springside lamp than that awful LED tail lamp.

I assume it's the one I posted pictures of, John,

 

I think it's sold as a bit of a 'gimmick', really. Something to appeal to younger modellers?

 

The lad I gave the illuminated brake van to was delighted with it. It might be 'awful' to you (and I'd never use it), but doesn't such a thing 'have its place'? Even if only to encourage the young? 

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

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1 minute ago, Tony Wright said:

I assume it's the one I posted pictures of, John,

 

I think it's sold as a bit of a 'gimmick', really. Something to appeal to younger modellers?

 

The lad I gave the illuminated brake van to was delighted with it. It might be 'awful' to you (and I'd never use it), but doesn't such a thing 'have its place'? Even if only to encourage the young? 

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

Yes, Tony, the brake van.

 

I agree. As a gimmick or something with "play value" it has a place, along with smoke units (and DCC sound), but I didn't see it as making much of a contribution to the discussion on lamps/no lamps on scale(ish) models.

 

I'll stick with my Springsides that, where they need to be removable, have (or will have in due course) embedded micromagnets to hold them on the steel staple brackets.

 

This loco has one steel bracket at each end and one lamp with a magnet embedded in the side. The spare lamp is permanently glued to its bracket.

 

The only real incongruity is that when looking from the "bracket side" (5th photo) the bracket shows up black against the white of the lamp. I can live with that.

 

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I haven't fitted any lamps to the brake van at all yet though!

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36 minutes ago, Tony Wright said:

I've just started taking pictures of Hornby's latest large Prairie.................

 

511642874_Hornby61XX6110R372101.jpg.661318001b37bfc218eca7a6e5cd331e.jpg

 

Not having conducted any research yet (and in a plea for assistance), is this a post-War manifestation? Or pre-War? 

 

I took this one out of its box, and the roof promptly fell off! A friend's just bought one, and a driving wheel fell off his!!!!!

 

2004279026_Hornby51XX4154R371901.jpg.366ef89d9a2cdfcbe878605e03283a5e.jpg

 

Same question; pre- or post-War? 

 

Both of these run beautifully on my test track , and this afternoon I'll take some moving footage of them on LB.

 

Livery indicates the top one is, I believe, pre 1934 lettering/route restriction disc placing and the lower is post 1946.

 

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43 minutes ago, Tony Wright said:

 

 

I don't have any pictures of the previous Hornby 51XX/61XX Classes (were they ex-Arfix?), but I didn't know that the central 'strap' on the boiler stood proud. On ones I've built, I've soldered it flush. 

 

 

 

 

You did take this picture, Tony:

 

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This is the Airfix body on a Comet chassis. The body also has parts of the Kitmaster/Airifx/Dapol kit, mainly the steps, which had broken off the body. The central strap should be flush, I think.

 

Al

 

 

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Thanks to the information I got in this thread yesterday, the last wagon in my scrap train is now suitable equipped although in close up, it really needs to be dusted, vacuum pipe yet to be fitted...

 

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1 hour ago, Tony Wright said:

I've just started taking pictures of Hornby's latest large Prairie.................

 

511642874_Hornby61XX6110R372101.jpg.661318001b37bfc218eca7a6e5cd331e.jpg

 

Not having conducted any research yet (and in a plea for assistance), is this a post-War manifestation? Or pre-War? 

 

I took this one out of its box, and the roof promptly fell off! A friend's just bought one, and a driving wheel fell off his!!!!!

 

2004279026_Hornby51XX4154R371901.jpg.366ef89d9a2cdfcbe878605e03283a5e.jpg

 

Same question; pre- or post-War? 

 

Both of these run beautifully on my test track , and this afternoon I'll take some moving footage of them on LB. 

 

I don't have any pictures of the previous Hornby 51XX/61XX Classes (were they ex-Arfix?), but I didn't know that the central 'strap' on the boiler stood proud. On ones I've built, I've soldered it flush. 

 

61XXs (Wills/SEF kits) have appeared on Little Bytham before....................... 

 

 

61XX.jpg

 

A very good runner this one.................... Note, the central strap flush. 


As per @Richard Eref the livery queries. The boiler strap should be flush. Was it the whole roof that came off or just the sliding vent? The BR version I’ve got has been superb, there’s a few notes on them here that may help when looking at the GW livery Hornby-61xx-r3723-review/

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2 hours ago, Richard E said:

Livery indicates the top one is, I believe, pre 1934 lettering/route restriction disc placing and the lower is post 1946.

I agree with that. 6110 was built 08/1931 and is in the as built livery. 4154 was not built until 7/1947, and is also in the as built livery. I wonder how long before it was repainted to BR livery?

 

Re the boiler strap, looking at the photos in Russell, The boiler strap is definitely proud, but you should not be able to see light between in and the boiler! It also looks too chunky to me, but I do not have any dimensions for it.

 

Lloyd

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1 hour ago, FarrMan said:

I agree with that. 6110 was built 08/1931 and is in the as built livery. 4154 was not built until 7/1947, and is also in the as built livery. I wonder how long before it was repainted to BR livery?

 

Re the boiler strap, looking at the photos in Russell, The boiler strap is definitely proud, but you should not be able to see light between in and the boiler! It also looks too chunky to me, but I do not have any dimensions for it.

 

Lloyd

I think the ones outshopped immediately after nationalization were finished as per the last GWR locos, but with BRITISH RAILWAYS on the tanksides in GWR-style lettering of the earlier model pictured.

 

As for actual repainting into BR (black), they'd have been well down in the list of priorities behind older locos in greater need. I'd expect most built post-war to have waited until their first general repair if the original finish held up (Swindon, once it ceased to have a dedicated paint shop, was fairly notorious for not using a gallon of paint if a quart would cover).

 

John

 

 

 

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