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I have now furthered examined the A7, and found a old Triang type chassis fitted with a XO4 and a stripped gear (listed as a good runner). It will be sent back as its fit for the bin, not worth the time and effort to get it going, unless anyone has a spare Little Engines kit A7 chassis  !!

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The seller gave a full refund and did'nt want the Loco returned to him. I have decided to rescue "the old dog " as she will now be known as.

 

Body stripped a number of parts were made of plastikard . After a bit of hed scratching Tony Wright i.d the old chassis as possibly a A3 chassis , the wheel spacings are the same as the A3 as is the bogie ,in view of this, I will attempt to make a etched  Comet A3 chassis fit to the body in due course. It will have a High Level Gearbox and a modern motor fitted and new wheels other than the Romford Drivers fitted.

Thanks to Mark C (on here)  for comparison photos of his unbuilt Little Engines  A7 kit , a lot of parts of  which are totally different from The  Old Dog version I have,  a updated version must have been made at some point in the past.

 

Current state, it awaits cleaning and a lot of repairs to be done,  the chassis will be built first , in due course.

 

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On 11/09/2020 at 18:54, micklner said:

The seller gave a full refund and did'nt want the Loco returned to him. I have decided to rescue "the old dog " as she will now be known as.

 

Body stripped a number of parts were made of plastikard . After a bit of hed scratching Tony Wright i.d the old chassis as possibly a A3 chassis , the wheel spacings are the same as the A3 as is the bogie ,in view of this, I will attempt to make a etched  Comet A3 chassis fit to the body in due course. It will have a High Level Gearbox and a modern motor fitted and new wheels other than the Romford Drivers fitted.

Thanks to Mark C (on here)  for comparison photos of his unbuilt Little Engines  A7 kit , a lot of parts of  which are totally different from The  Old Dog version I have,  a updated version must have been made at some point in the past.

 

Current state, it awaits cleaning and a lot of repairs to be done,  the chassis will be built first , in due course.

 

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Great to see this loco being rescued Mick - always sorry to see things binned but fully appreciate how much time and effort will go into this! I look forward to seeing it rise,:) phoenix-like.

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As promised The Old Dog is reborn , now ready for painting. Cab Roof will not be fixed down, until the interior is detailed, painted and glazed.

 

 

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1 hour ago, micklner said:

As promised The Old Dog is reborn , now ready for painting. Cab Roof will not be fixed down, until the interior is detailed, painted and glazed.

 

 

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Neat rebuild!

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Mick, a small point,  but the equalising pipes between front and rear tanks is not as far below the valance as on your model.  The top of the  pipe was at the same level as the valance bottom which was six inches deep. 

As an aside these pipes seem to have been a standard length of 5' 9", the A6 and N10 and F8 all used this size.           

 

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9 hours ago, ArthurK said:

Mick, a small point,  but the equalising pipes between front and rear tanks is not as far below the valance as on your model.  The top of the  pipe was at the same level as the valance bottom which was six inches deep. 

As an aside these pipes seem to have been a standard length of 5' 9", the A6 and N10 and F8 all used this size.           

 

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        Can I confirm there should'nt therefore be a gap ? The pipe is your casting I bought for my Falcon F8 and sadly there was not enough foom to fit it .

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8 hours ago, phil_sutters said:

You probably have all the reference photos you need, but in case this one has passed you by, here is one from the collection of 1920s LNER photos my Dad acquired.

 

Yes I had found that picture on a search , excellent for detail , thanks.

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25 minutes ago, micklner said:

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        Can I confirm there should'nt therefore be a gap ? The pipe is your casting I bought for my Falcon F8 and sadly there was not enough foom to fit it .

No gap, no, Mick. There's a good low-level view (albeit of a T1) in David Dunn's Steam Memories No.19: North East Scrapyards, p.11 (Book Law).  

 

I suspect the balance pipe was square section: the LRM G5 kit supplies it that shape, and pictures of an A7 in a state of undress on pages 16, 17 and 21 in Dunn's Steam Memories No.41: Darlington Scrapyard show the pipe on the ground, with the views on p.16 and 21 being the clearest indication it was square in section, with the edges rounded slightly. 

 

EDIT: you did well not to fit the balance pipe to the F8, as low-level, well-lit shots of an F8 and a G5 works grey in Ken Hoole's An Illustrated History of NER Locomotives on pages 69 and 71 show it to be invisible.  

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1 minute ago, Daddyman said:

No gap, no, Mick. There's a good low-level view (albeit of a T1) in David Dunn's Steam Memories No.19: North East Scrapyards, p.11 (Book Law).  

 

I suspect the balance pipe was square section: the LRM G5 kit supplies it that shape, and pictures of an A7 in a state of undress on pages 16, 17 and 21 in Dunn's Steam Memories No.41: Darlington Scrapyard show the pipe on the ground, with the views on p.16 and 21 being the clearest indication it was square in section, with the edges rounded slightly. 

Yes Arthurs casting is square, he mentioned checking  the length , hopefully correct, good timing as I will be priming it today , after that revision now. The usual problems with murky photos !!.

 

I havent seen the book you mention , I will have a look for a copy, thanks.

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1 minute ago, micklner said:

Yes Arthurs casting is square, he mentioned checking  the length , hopefully correct, good timing as I will be priming it today , after that revision now. The usual problems with murky photos !!.

 

I havent seen the book you mention , I will have a look for a copy, thanks.

The scrapyard books are good for modelling detail, Mick. 

 

Sorry, I forgot to say, you're making a nice job of this. I've never been convinced that these LE kits capture any of the look of the real thing - the face is usually wrong, due to poor smokebox doors. But the face on yours is good - presumably this is a replacement smokebox door? Maybe have another go at the boiler/s.box handrail though? Are you aware of the trick of splitting the handrail so that you can make it in two parts (together, so that the halves are absolutely identical) and hiding the joint within the ball of the top centre handrail knob?  

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All the castings are horrid.

New Smokebox door I think from Arthur, as are some of the other brass castings , a new Chimney. Bradwell Dome and large Safety valve cover. 52F steps and Lamp Irons. A Comet much modified A3 chassis, Mitsumi Motor and a HL Box , Mainly trains etched LNER A5 Brake Shoes. All the items in white plastic ,are as found when the body was paint stripped. and repaired hence the filler where needed. Whoever made them did a good job , and a scratch Brass Roof by me. This model has used up most of my spare etches!!.

 

Arthur has confirmed (unless anyone knows different) the A7 was only fitted with a small typical NER Vent at the front of the Roof. Every model I have seen bar one in 7mm  has the Roof with a large centre panel. I have seen two photos of the vent open, as I have fitted it onto the roof.

 

Balance pipes now cutdown to correct size. I will give the front handrail a few tweaks. Yes I am aware of the "cheat" method and might be using it quite soon !!.

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Also on the go another D&S NER Dia 18 Brake 3rd. This one is D&S sides which came without the other main parts. Fitted with Worsley Works Etched Roof and Ends .

 

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