RMweb Premium Legend Posted November 18, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 18, 2016 Its the low wages that drive it. Despite certain manufacturers claims, rates over there are still vastly less than here. Cost of machinery , raw materials etc probably the same. Rates etc tend to be a small overall expenses, but are no doubt negligible over there (they are in my factory overhead, so I don't know precisely how much, but overall the overheads are low). Not sure about the price of Yorkshire Tea though 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted November 19, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 19, 2016 I think wages are only one part of a much more complex equation. There are also factors like worker productivity, availability of skills, non-salary costs, corporate taxes, regulatory compliance etc. If it was only about wages/salaries then I don't think the outsourcing advantage would be as big as we are led to assume. For example, ViTrains manage to offer models which are competitive in terms of cost and quality with Chinese made products despite being made in Italy which is not a low cost economy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adams442T Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 Just received the Rapido UK Newsletter and within it are several surprises and items for Warley....................... The icing on the cake for me though is that they will be bringing a superb 3D printed model of the Stirling Single to Warley. It looks simply stunning! Its next stop is to go to tooling, and then we can all have one.......at least......! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium it's-er Posted November 24, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 24, 2016 And you can see a couple of photos of the 3D printed model of the Stirling Single here http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?m=1101318906379&ca=8ff4e781-15b9-4202-a07e-ea1976431a09 John Storey 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Tha And you can see a couple of photos of the 3D printed model of the Stirling Single herehttp://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?m=1101318906379&ca=8ff4e781-15b9-4202-a07e-ea1976431a09John Storey Thanks for that. Looks superb. I note the comment "However, we believe that the most difficult days are now behind us", which is encouraging. I feel sure that Rapido will do a first class job. Can Locomotion/NRM ask Rapido to do Hardwicke, Gladstone, the SE&CR D Class No. 737 and, dare I suggest, Dean Goods No. 2516?!? With the Hattons/DJH King and the Stirling Single, 2017 is looking like a very expensive year! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 I’m sure Rapido will. I’d be all for following up with Hardwicke, Gladstone and the D. As for the Dean Goods, once a model has been tooled up, even if it isn’t as good as we would like, manufacturers are unlikely to produce a competing model unless they have already been working on it for some time. I don’t think we are likely to see another Dean Goods any more than, sadly, we are likely to see another EM2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr.king Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Surely they can manage to put a good taper on the inside of the rear edges of the cab, especially that hugely thick area across the top? Job No1 for any buyer who owns a file if they don't...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 I’m sure Rapido will. I’d be all for following up with Hardwicke, Gladstone and the D. As for the Dean Goods, once a model has been tooled up, even if it isn’t as good as we would like, manufacturers are unlikely to produce a competing model unless they have already been working on it for some time. I don’t think we are likely to see another Dean Goods any more than, sadly, we are likely to see another EM2. Indeed, I jested! You are right, apart from certain notorious, and, I assume inadvertent, duplications, once someone has produced an RTR model, even if pretty mediocre, that tends to discourage anyone else from tackling the subject for a generation! When we consider a new RTR model, its often not simply any deficiencies that matter, its more about the better model that no one will now make! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chris p bacon Posted November 25, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 25, 2016 Surely they can manage to put a good taper on the inside of the rear edges of the cab, especially that hugely thick area across the top? Job No1 for any buyer who owns a file if they don't...... Email them, I'm sure they'll respond. Although I'll guess they read this anyway. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Email them, I'm sure they'll respond. Although I'll guess they read this anyway. I'm sure you're right, that they read this, but I have learnt not to take that for granted, so, anyone who has any comments like this will do all concerned a very great favour if they are prepared to contact the manufacturer/commissioner directly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BMacdermott Posted November 25, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 25, 2016 (edited) Thanks for that. Looks superb. I note the comment "However, we believe that the most difficult days are now behind us", which is encouraging. I feel sure that Rapido will do a first class job. Can Locomotion/NRM ask Rapido to do Hardwicke, Gladstone, the SE&CR D Class No. 737 and, dare I suggest, Dean Goods No. 2516?!? With the Hattons/DJH King and the Stirling Single, 2017 is looking like a very expensive year! Hello Edwardian See link below for the Dean Goods (which is presumably what you were talking about?) Brian http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/117156-national-collection-in-miniature-dean-goods-class-no-2516/ Edit: Sorry - just realised that you had already seen it and were now referring to Rapido as opposed to Oxford Rail! Edited November 25, 2016 by BMacdermott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Thanks for that. Looks superb. Can Locomotion/NRM ask Rapido to do Hardwicke, Gladstone, the SE&CR D Class No. 737 and, dare I suggest, Dean Goods No. 2516?!? You forgot to add the Midland 'Spinner' and 2-4-0. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Hello Edwardian See link below for the Dean Goods (which is presumably what you were talking about?) Brian http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/117156-national-collection-in-miniature-dean-goods-class-no-2516/ Edit: Sorry - just realised that you had already seen it and were now referring to Rapido as opposed to Oxford Rail! I have learnt to be careful what I wish for! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2750Papyrus Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 I wish for some clerestoried GN or ECJS coaches to go with the Stirling single......and the Ivatt Atlantics......and the Gresley Pacifics.......not to mention the kit built Raven C7 and D20...... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 (edited) I wish for some clerestoried GN or ECJS coaches to go with the Stirling single......and the Ivatt Atlantics......and the Gresley Pacifics.......not to mention the kit built Raven C7 and D20...... Pre-1914 Flying Scotsman rake of clerestory bogie coaches for the Atlantic? Edited November 25, 2016 by Edwardian 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 I've had a close-up look at the 3D print today and it's really rather good! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerald Henriksen Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Surely they can manage to put a good taper on the inside of the rear edges of the cab, especially that hugely thick area across the top? Job No1 for any buyer who owns a file if they don't...... By all means either email them or talk to them at their stand this weekend, but I would guess that it is a limitation of the 3d printing process and thus wouldn't be an issue when the actually create the molds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapidobill Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 By all means either email them or talk to them at their stand this weekend, but I would guess that it is a limitation of the 3d printing process and thus wouldn't be an issue when the actually create the molds. It hasn't even been shown publicly, and already..... :>) This is why the 3-d sample is so important on this project. There is a physical limitation as to how thin we can make the cab roof and still have it reliably inject and be strong enough, but we may be able to make some changes that would help at least the back edge look thinner. Having said that, there is a rather pronounced bead/lip that runs around the rear of the cab that makes it look thicker than just the sheet metal would imply.We also need top ensure that the back edge of the cab is properly rounded. And no, I'm not talking about the "thickie" in the center of the photo...... 18 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbedford Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 I wish for some clerestoried GN or ECJS coaches to go with the Stirling single......and the Ivatt Atlantics......and the Gresley Pacifics.......not to mention the kit built Raven C7 and D20...... You mean you didn't get a set of 45' GN coach kits..... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigzag Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 Saw the 3D print at Warley today, looks great, but I noticed the price is now £229 and Im sure it was eithr £189 or £199 when first announced, so that aa 15% increase before its even hit the shelves, probably down to Brexit :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest spet0114 Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 If this is the case then I wonder if Locomotion will honour the price quoted when the loco was first announced for those of us who opened our wallets on day one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocomotionatShildon Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 If this is the case then I wonder if Locomotion will honour the price quoted when the loco was first announced for those of us who opened our wallets on day one. Lots of factors forced us to increase the price for the Stirling single, but all those who paid either a deposit or paid in full when ordering prior to October when we temporarily suspended orders, will still pay the original price agreed at the time of order. The new price is for new orders only. We didn't want to put the price up but unfortunately there was no other option but we all agreed it was the right thing to do to honour the original prices to those who had handed over their hard earned cash! Who says we don't have a heart?? ❤️ 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2750Papyrus Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 (edited) You mean you didn't get a set of 45' GN coach kits..... Yes, qty 2 Diagram 3D awaiting transfers and one of yours in build! But they're not big, 6 wheeled bogie clerestories...... Edited November 27, 2016 by 2750Papyrus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest spet0114 Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 ...all those who paid either a deposit or paid in full when ordering prior to October when we temporarily suspended orders, will still pay the original price agreed at the time of order. The new price is for new orders only. That's reassuring, thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr.king Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 One snag with models of the Howlden 12 wheeled coaches, as pointed out by a certain RDEB in conversation at Warley this weekend, is the effect that the length of the bogies has on the ability of the coaches to round curves. If you want "proper" models, with full size wheels in the bogies, solebars in realistic positions without unsightly cut-outs, and the coach body riding at the correct height, then the coach will not want to go round anything other than very easy curves, NOT table-top set-track. I have a couple of GC Barnums, with bogies more than a scale foot shorter in wheelbase than the Howlden 12 wheelers, and although their solebars are VERY thin metal rather than thick moulded plastic they are pushing limits when rounding curves of anything less than 3 foot radius. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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