RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted October 26, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 26, 2015 Hi all. Watching a video on the 9F's and it shows an image of Evening Star with lined green cylinder casings. How long did she have this for? Would make an interesting variation to models I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted October 29, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted October 29, 2015 Nobody know any details about this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium New Haven Neil Posted October 29, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 29, 2015 Nope......you've got me there. first time I have heard of it, and if it wasn't for that photo........ The lining appears to make a panel too - any idea where and when it was taken? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Nope......you've got me there. first time I have heard of it, and if it wasn't for that photo........ The lining appears to make a panel too - any idea where and when it was taken? Same here. Had you merely asked if it had ever run with green cylinders I'd have said 'No.' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted October 30, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted October 30, 2015 I'm not sure where it was taken. It was on a video on YouTube called Evening Star and the 9F's. By PSOV Mainline Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
K14 Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 As outshopped in 1960 the cylinders were definitely black:— http://www.swindonviewpoint.com/sites/default/files/6-37a-1%20GWR%20Locomotive%20Evening%20Star%201960.jpg Still black at Derby in August '61:— https://www.flickr.com/photos/rgadsdon/6875032121/ It was in bits at Crewe in Feb 1963... https://www.flickr.com/photos/24041160@N02/16032796451/ ...and in bits again at Swindon in March '64:— https://www.flickr.com/photos/razeldazel/9023578185/ Some other shots, all from 1964:— OXF - http://steamtube.ning.com/photo/92220-evening-star-oxford-mpd-64 CED 7/64 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/taffytank/8483553014/sizes/h/ Seaton Jct 9/64 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/64518788@N05/13985905423/ Another (undated) picture of it:— http://www.railwayana.net/guides/Loco_Train/loco%20nameplates/loco_nameplates_steam.htm(Scroll down to the bottom of the page & it's the last image.) So.. it looks like the crime was committed by persons unknown in 'A' Shop with a 2" brush around March/April 1964. Pete S. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
25901 Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Or is this the second "Evening Star" or is that opening a big can of worms lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium New Haven Neil Posted October 30, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 30, 2015 Wow, great work K14. Who would have thought.....!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCB Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Er how would they swap identities between a black 9F and a green one? Swindon could simply swap name and number plates on Castles etc but repainting a complete loco? Mind you the "Highly skilled Workmen" at Crewe may have damaged the original beyond economic repair making a quick repaint of a couple of locos a better option if "92220" had to run fast on specials... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted November 1, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 1, 2015 Why is there supposed to have been a 2nd Evening Star? Or are we talking about the repaint of 92214 in preservation? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegr Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Most odd my shot of the loco looks like this.... It's a little known fact that she was first built as a 2-8-2..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WD0-6-0 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 It's a little known fact that she was first built as a 2-8-2.....Now that really is a can of worms… I do like those green cylinders, unusual but quite nice. I wonder if something like a std class 2 tank had been the last would it have had the same treatment? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted November 1, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 1, 2015 Most odd my shot of the loco looks like this.... It's a little known fact that she was first built as a 2-8-2..... Haha nicely done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 ... It's a little known fact that she was first built as a 2-8-2..... Can I have a reference please. Most references say that the BR Standard Heavy Freight loco was originally intended to be a 2-8-2 version of the Britannia and a nicely detailed weight diagram was produced. When Riddles saw the diagram he decided that the loco would be a 2-10-0 with a non standard boiler. There were more of those non standard boilers made than any other design of BR boiler! See http://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=16547147809&searchurl=tn=british%20railway%20standard%20steam%20locomotives&sortby=3 . In 1968 Carnforth shed took the rear coupling rods off at least one 2-10-0 and had it running as a 2-8-2. Back to the OP, I wonder if the green cylinder covers date from the preservation era. The NRM do some funny un-historical things with their running locos and the photo depicts an unusually clean Evening Star, even to the headlights. Regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted November 1, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 1, 2015 Back to the OP, I wonder if the green cylinder covers date from the preservation era. The NRM do some funny un-historical things with their running locos and the photo depicts an unusually clean Evening Star, even to the headlights. Regards That image comes from a video that was shot prior to the end of steam, so it is definitely not from preserved days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 That image comes from a video that was shot prior to the end of steam, so it is definitely not from preserved days.Can you tell me which video it is please? Regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted November 1, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 1, 2015 Can you tell me which video it is please? Regards See post 5. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RRU Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Two shots I took in the mid 80`s at Leeds and Scarborough. What do you think? Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted November 1, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 1, 2015 Two shots I took in the mid 80`s at Leeds and Scarborough. What do you think? Leeds_053.jpg Scarborough_004.jpg Peter Think about what? There's no green cylinders there. Nice shots though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted November 1, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 1, 2015 This is a link to the video. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-wQ3a9zU7rw The image shows up at around 40 seconds in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 This is a link to the video. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-wQ3a9zU7rw The image shows up at around 40 seconds in. Thank you for the link. I'm really not sure about the provenance of that picture. It comes after shots at Bath but that doesn't by itself show that the photo was taken during BR service. Evening Star is just too clean for it to be believable. Even the headlamps are spotless. There are lots of stills and video of it on the last Pines Express and it wasn't that clean! Sorry, but I think there is a doubt. Regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefrk Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 There is a precedent for this 72007 Clan Mackintosh had green cylinders and orange lining in 1962, maybe as a result of a visit to the same works as 92220. A number of photos and comments exist, eg. BR Standard Pacifics in Colour (Ian Allan). Dave Franks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WD0-6-0 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Thank you for the link. I'm really not sure about the provenance of that picture. It comes after shots at Bath but that doesn't by itself show that the photo was taken during BR service. Evening Star is just too clean for it to be believable. Even the headlamps are spotless. There are lots of stills and video of it on the last Pines Express and it wasn't that clean! Sorry, but I think there is a doubt. Regards It does look very clean however BR did still employ cleaners so it's not unbelievable that it's pre-withdrawal just because it's clean. It also looks dirtier than the photos from the 1980s posted above. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatB Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Obviously the green cylindered Evening Star is the one that went into the Strategic Steam Reserve and is currently quietly snoozing under a Welsh mountain whilst the black cylindered imposter takes her place in the national collection. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthesnail96 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Thank you for the link. I'm really not sure about the provenance of that picture. It comes after shots at Bath but that doesn't by itself show that the photo was taken during BR service. Evening Star is just too clean for it to be believable. Even the headlamps are spotless. There are lots of stills and video of it on the last Pines Express and it wasn't that clean! Sorry, but I think there is a doubt. Regards Surely the selection of photos from 1964 in post 6 are proof enough? Quite clearly green in the photos at Cardiff and Seaton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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