45568 Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Memo to Oxfordrail: 'If you are going to make mistakes on the LNER N7, do it on the Belpaire jobs, then we can all get the round-top models we really want absolutely perfect', Cheers from Oz, Peter c. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted July 11, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 11, 2017 Is there perhaps a market that the likes of Oxford could satisfy for basic models that we could finish off by detailing ourselves, perhaps in CKD form. It might give a greater choice of prototypes able to be accurately represented, as you could include different chimneys, dome, top feeds and so on without pushing the costs too high. Just a thought, and I'm not very good at those, so go easy on me... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad McCann Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Well, in a not remotely partisan sort of way ( ) I hope the experience of trying a GWR prototype and the advent of the N7 project will persuade Oxford and other smaller manufacturers to cast their eyes further north for inspiration in their next projects. They might find simpler, less varied designs to consider. Probably best leave Jumbos aside just yet... D. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Is there perhaps a market that the likes of Oxford could satisfy for basic models that we could finish off by detailing ourselves, perhaps in CKD form. It might give a greater choice of prototypes able to be accurately represented, as you could include different chimneys, dome, top feeds and so on without pushing the costs too high. Just a thought, and I'm not very good at those, so go easy on me... I like the idea of a basic item that can be detailed and customised. I don't know how practical it would be, or whether there would be a market, but I like the idea. The trick would be to ensure that the 'basic model' was dimensionally accurate, otherwise you would be able to do nothing much good with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Well, in a not remotely partisan sort of way ( ) I hope the experience of trying a GWR prototype and the advent of the N7 project will persuade Oxford and other smaller manufacturers to cast their eyes further north for inspiration in their next projects. They might find simpler, less varied designs to consider. Probably best leave Jumbos aside just yet... D. Lots more prototypes I'd like to see, not least from the NER and the Scottish companies. As things stand, despite the rush of new entrants, the only people I'd really trust at the moment would be Hornby and Rapido. Bachmann ought to be a very safe bet, but remember the Modified Halls. Heljan should be considered, but only on a good day. New generation Dapol OO may prove up to scratch, but we'll need to wait and see. Oxford has yet to convince, and I'd like them to prove themselves before announcing anything I'd like to buy! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted July 11, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 11, 2017 Well, in a not remotely partisan sort of way ( ) I hope the experience of trying a GWR prototype and the advent of the N7 project will persuade Oxford and other smaller manufacturers to cast their eyes further north for inspiration in their next projects. D. What. D'you mean a Great Western locomotive from Wolverhampton, or Birkenhead, like? Ian 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted July 11, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 11, 2017 Memo to Oxfordrail: 'If you are going to make mistakes on the LNER N7, do it on the Belpaire jobs, then we can all get the round-top models we really want absolutely perfect', Cheers from Oz, Peter c. Once again, Fred the office boy, file in hand, profile gauge at the ready.... Ian 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PhilH Posted July 11, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 11, 2017 (edited) Lots more prototypes I'd like to see, not least from the NER and the Scottish companies. As things stand, despite the rush of new entrants, the only people I'd really trust at the moment would be Hornby and Rapido. Bachmann ought to be a very safe bet, but remember the Modified Halls. Heljan should be considered, but only on a good day. New generation Dapol OO may prove up to scratch, but we'll need to wait and see. Oxford has yet to convince, and I'd like them to prove themselves before announcing anything I'd like to buy! Not with you there on Hornby...they might look good but between mazak rot and split gears they are costing me a lot of money at the moment, not to mention the time taken to check and rectify them. A real pita... Edited July 11, 2017 by PhilH Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Not with you there on Hornby...they might look good but between mazak rot and split gears they are costing me a lot of money at the moment, not to mention the time taken to check and rectify them. A real pita... Sorry to hear that Phil. At the risk of going off-topic, are these recent releases, because my perception is that Hornby really pulled its socks up after the 'Design Clever' aberration, at least in terms of the externals? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PhilH Posted July 11, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 11, 2017 (edited) Sorry to hear that Phil. At the risk of going off-topic, are these recent releases, because my perception is that Hornby really pulled its socks up after the 'Design Clever' aberration, at least in terms of the externals?Relatively so...T9 motor retainer, 5/6 Rebuilt Bulleid pacifics with split gears and an older 31 with destroyed chassis, others still to check. I think models with problems are documented in another thread. Anyway, we digress! Edited July 11, 2017 by PhilH Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted July 11, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 11, 2017 Well, in a not remotely partisan sort of way ( ) I hope the experience of trying a GWR prototype and the advent of the N7 project will persuade Oxford and other smaller manufacturers to cast their eyes further north for inspiration in their next projects. They might find simpler, less varied designs to consider. Probably best leave Jumbos aside just yet... D. Surely if you want simplicity, then standardised designs where you have a limited number of wheel, cylinder, motion, boiler. and fittings to produce, and where the main differences are in the cabs which are relatively easy to deal with, are the way to go; back to the GW, and perhaps the Midland. Viciorian exotica was often hand built and varied loco by loco from the blueprint, even oop north, and, as Ox have recently discovered, a minefield. You can see their point in taking on the big boys with the likes of Adams Radials and Dean Goods, a gap in the market, but it's easier to come unstuck than it is to get it right. Not that I'm arguing against northern, or Scottish, prototypes; the more variety we can have the better! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted July 11, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 11, 2017 What. D'you mean a Great Western locomotive from Wolverhampton? Oh yes! Pre-Swindon Armstrong! But very niche... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Surely if you want simplicity, then standardised designs where you have a limited number of wheel, cylinder, motion, boiler. and fittings to produce, and where the main differences are in the cabs which are relatively easy to deal with, are the way to go; back to the GW, and perhaps the Midland. Viciorian exotica was often hand built and varied loco by loco from the blueprint, even oop north, and, as Ox have recently discovered, a minefield. You can see their point in taking on the big boys with the likes of Adams Radials and Dean Goods, a gap in the market, but it's easier to come unstuck than it is to get it right. Not that I'm arguing against northern, or Scottish, prototypes; the more variety we can have the better! I have often thought that you could go a long way to producing many GW classes as they would have been seen in the 1900s by essentially doing what Swindon did; produce a suite of standard boilers, fireboxes, wheel sizes etc, chassis with common wheel centres etc, and assemble them almost at random and you're bound to end up with an accurate model of at least one GW engine! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted July 11, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 11, 2017 Not with you there on Hornby...they might look good but between mazak rot and split gears they are costing me a lot of money at the moment, not to mention the time taken to check and rectify them. A real pita... After the weekend gone, you just need to buy a Bachmann 80xxx tank instead Roy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted July 11, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 11, 2017 I have often thought that you could go a long way to producing many GW classes as they would have been seen in the 1900s by essentially doing what Swindon did; produce a suite of standard boilers, fireboxes, wheel sizes etc, chassis with common wheel centres etc, and assemble them almost at random and you're bound to end up with an accurate model of at least one GW engine! This holds true pretty much up until the end of WR steam, and includes many locos absorbed at the grouping and rebuilt. One or two new wheel sizes and a few boilers (no, 7, 10, 14) and that's all you'd need. It's what Collett did with the 68xx! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 This holds true pretty much up until the end of WR steam, and includes many locos absorbed at the grouping and rebuilt. One or two new wheel sizes and a few boilers (no, 7, 10, 14) and that's all you'd need. It's what Collett did with the 68xx! Agree. Being "Edwardian", I was thinking of S2, S4 boilers etc, but it is even more true of the Churchward-Collett 'standard' designs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted July 11, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 11, 2017 What. D'you mean a Great Western locomotive from Wolverhampton, or Birkenhead, like? Ian You mean like this beauty? http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_11_2014/post-126-0-99214700-1415537473.jpg Keith 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted July 11, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 11, 2017 This holds true pretty much up until the end of WR steam, and includes many locos absorbed at the grouping and rebuilt. One or two new wheel sizes and a few boilers (no, 7, 10, 14) and that's all you'd need. It's what Collett did with the 68xx! You could start with the Saint first of the modern passenger locos. Star = Saint with 4 Cylinders (boiler/wheels/cab more or less the same) Hall = just a Saint with smaller wheels (and a new cab!) Grange = Hall with even smaller wheels Manor = lightweight Grange with smaller boiler (and a bit lopped off the back) new County = Modified Hall with larger wheels & new bigger boiler. You can do the same with other GWR types such as tank locos. Keith 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted July 11, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 11, 2017 I'd take the risk of Hornby or Oxford doing a Caley Jumbo or an NBR Scott. Both locos we've never seen RTR before. Ok the `Dean has issues but it looks pretty much like a Dean to me, and Hornby would do a beautiful job on them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 (edited) Ok the `Dean has issues but it looks pretty much like a Dean to me, Let's see how you get on with this, then! Edited July 11, 2017 by Edwardian 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Looks blurry to me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted July 11, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 11, 2017 Looks blurry to me Just like Oxford's offering? Very much a blurred interpretation of Mr Dean's Machine! Keith 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted July 11, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 11, 2017 You mean like this beauty? http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_11_2014/post-126-0-99214700-1415537473.jpg Keith That is so nice. It's amazing what you can squeeze into N gauge these days.... Only joking! Only joking! I do like that. Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted July 11, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 11, 2017 Let's see how you get on with this, then! These LNER & LMS machines all look the same to me.... Ian. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 These LNER & LMS machines all look the same to me.... Ian. In part that is explained by the fact that LMS engines are just GW engines painted red. Hat ... coat ... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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