LaScala Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Hi all. Just completed a very old Gateneal Pannier tank kit. (Found on eBay for a great price with nice replacement castings and Mashima motor plus wheels) It still required a fair bit of additional scratch building as the kit is very basic in original form. I am currently waiting for the number plates from Guilplates and then adding the transfers. Now I'm starting an interesting kit, a Lochgorm Kits 4-6-0 Jones goods. Another first on the WB gateneal 2 - 1.jpg gateneal new 1 - 1.jpg I'll bet you are the only person to complete a Gateneal pannier this decade. A sow's ear job saved by skill and fresh castings. Rather you than me so well done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted December 8, 2017 Author Share Posted December 8, 2017 Hi Sandy. The build will be a bit slow as we are moving mother into a care home next week. That will entail a lot of work/time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted December 8, 2017 Author Share Posted December 8, 2017 I'll bet you are the only person to complete a Gateneal pannier this decade. A sow's ear job saved by skill and fresh castings. Rather you than me so well done. It still was a sows ear despite the replacement castings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted December 9, 2017 Author Share Posted December 9, 2017 Hi. Made a start on the Jones Goods yesterday. I decided not to use the compensation as in the kit. I prefer my usual sprung centre axle. The coal plate on the tender is a 2.75mm short at the front end, so I will make a short in fill from scrap off the etches. Here it is so far. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Boucher Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Hi. Made a start on the Jones Goods yesterday. I decided not to use the compensation as in the kit. I prefer my usual sprung centre axle. The coal plate on the tender is a 2.75mm short at the front end, so I will make a short in fill from scrap off the etches. Here it is so far. jones goods 2 - 1.jpg jones goods 1 - 1.jpg Hi Jazz, I'm thinking of compensating the Connoisseur Jinty I'm building, and your technique is one I'm considering using. But there's one thing that confuses me. If the bearing is free to float a mm or so up and down, what holds it in place horizontally in the frame? Is it just the hole that the spring wire sits in is close enough the the frame that the wire acts as a thrust bearing which holds the bearing tight against the frame, or is there something else that holds it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3 link Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Hi Mike, Hopefully I can answer that question in Ken's absence, I have copied Ken's technique on most of my locos and it has always worked a treat. I solder the spring wire to the side of the frame itself, that way the wire is automatically aligned to hold the bearing in place, I drill a hole into the bearing side but not right through to the axle. Also you can adjust the length of wire to increase or decrease the downward pressure, works great. I think I have a photo somewhere showing my version I will try and dig it out. Martyn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3 link Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) Hi Mike, This is from a 42xx I built some years ago, with this version I have drilled through the spacer and soldered the spring wire to the other side. Without trying to confuse matters I also built in a vertical rod to adjust the ride height. Hope this helps, Martyn. Edited December 12, 2017 by 3 link Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Hi Jazz, I'm thinking of compensating the Connoisseur Jinty I'm building, and your technique is one I'm considering using. But there's one thing that confuses me. If the bearing is free to float a mm or so up and down, what holds it in place horizontally in the frame? Is it just the hole that the spring wire sits in is close enough the the frame that the wire acts as a thrust bearing which holds the bearing tight against the frame, or is there something else that holds it? Mike, The top-hat brim stops the bearing falling into the frames, and the wheels stop it falling out! The slots in the frames should be tight enough to prevent the bearings moving fore-and-aft. As subsequent posts show, there are ways of preventing the bearings turning in the frames. Personally, I prefer proper hormblocks, but it’s clear from the many users, that Ken’s approach works just fine. Best Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted December 13, 2017 Author Share Posted December 13, 2017 Hi Mike. Apologies for not replying, I have been away since Monday and just back this evening. I see that others have very kindly in my absence and have done an excellent job. My thanks to all, Ken. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted December 15, 2017 Author Share Posted December 15, 2017 Hi. Back on the WB yesterday and got the tender ready for cleaning up and polishing off all the unwanted solder. I have the buffers and brake standard missing and awaiting the arrival of them. Now to start the loco. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted December 17, 2017 Author Share Posted December 17, 2017 Hi That's the chassis almost done. The centre drivers did not allow my usual springing so I sprung it for 1mm upwards and the lead axle 1mm downwards. That works well.. The rest went together alright. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted December 18, 2017 Author Share Posted December 18, 2017 Hi. The Gateneal pannier is having it's first turn of duty on the Trenruth branch. Driver Morgan and fireman Huw in the cab. Managed to catch her just prior to running round the train. Apologies for the blurred photo. The light was quite poor. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted December 21, 2017 Author Share Posted December 21, 2017 Hi. A busy time sorting out family issues, it's back to the Jones goods. Completed the chassis and today preparing the footplate for assembly. The chassis. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted December 22, 2017 Author Share Posted December 22, 2017 (edited) Hi. Today the footplate assembly was started. Not what you would call a doddle to assemble, the cab being a pain to get the bends correct. The splashers lacking any etched guides were very tricky to hold in place to solder them. I've never notice a fold down vacuum pipe before, very novel. Finally got it all done though. Edited December 22, 2017 by jazz 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Harper Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 I've never notice a fold down vacuum pipe before, very novel. Ken It folds to allow a medium or large snowplough to be fitted. Sandy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted December 23, 2017 Author Share Posted December 23, 2017 I've never notice a fold down vacuum pipe before, very novel. Ken It folds to allow a medium or large snowplough to be fitted. Sandy Hi Sandy. Thanks for the explanation, makes sense now, considering it's a highland loco Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Harper Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 Hi Sandy. Thanks for the explanation, makes sense now, considering it's a highland loco We get a lot of snow up there!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted December 23, 2017 Author Share Posted December 23, 2017 We get a lot of snow up there!!!!! I guess you do that. We get the odd 2mm in Llandudno every 10 years or so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Harper Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 I guess you do that. We get the odd 2mm in Llandudno every 10 years or so. This was Shrewsbury last week. Quite pretty! 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted December 25, 2017 Author Share Posted December 25, 2017 Hi Sandy. What a cracking view. We have been there many times, enjoyed the river trips and the French restaurant in the square. Percy Throwers house in what is now a public park. Wonderful. Ken 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted December 28, 2017 Author Share Posted December 28, 2017 Hi everyone. Well that's another Christmas over and now looking forward to another year. So a very happy modelling year to you all. Here is the Jones goods ready for the off to it's owner. Not an easy kit to sort out out but now looks the part I think. 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Boucher Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Hi Jazz, I'm thinking of compensating the Connoisseur Jinty I'm building, and your technique is one I'm considering using. But there's one thing that confuses me. If the bearing is free to float a mm or so up and down, what holds it in place horizontally in the frame? Is it just the hole that the spring wire sits in is close enough the the frame that the wire acts as a thrust bearing which holds the bearing tight against the frame, or is there something else that holds it? Hi Jazz, One more question about your compensation method. What diameter wire do you use? I've gone back through the thread and can't find any mention as to the size. I have some .015" diameter piano wire, but that seems way too flimsy. Thanx! Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKR Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 In one of his previous posts Jazz mentioned "Steel Piano Wire 0.51mm (0.020" 25SWG)" Can't remember the exact post though. HTH Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidIS Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 To find all references to piano wire springing in this thread, go to the top of the page where there is a search box marked 'This topic'. Key in the word 'piano' and click on the magnifying glass icon. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted January 20, 2018 Author Share Posted January 20, 2018 (edited) Hi Guys. Apologies for not responding to your queries regarding the piano wire, We have been enjoying some sun and relax time in Florida. Regarding the size of wire, I use 25 SWG. I see EKR & David has helped you out though. Edited January 20, 2018 by jazz 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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