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The loco certainly bears a more than adequate resemblance to that used at Morden South Express Dairy. The signalman at St Helier, the controlling signalbox, assured me it would not pull the skin off the proverbial rice-pudding, which does seem apposite for a dairy!

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The loco certainly bears a more than adequate resemblance to that used at Morden South Express Dairy. The signalman at St Helier, the controlling signalbox, assured me it would not pull the skin off the proverbial rice-pudding, which does seem apposite for a dairy!

The colour scheme of that Ruston was certainly a major influence. I'm intending on building the Judith Edge kit at some point, when funds allow, but in the meantime, this shall have to do, and was a nice weekend project last summer.

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Looks really good Graeme, I worked in the Transport Office at the  Arla Dairy in Ashby De La Zouch which was originally an Express Dairy site, but never Rail Served, Your Buildings etc look really good.

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I remember small "local" dairies which received bulk milk from farmers, processed it and distributed bottled milk by electric float to individual households - 1970s and early 1980s.

A modern dairy (2016) imports bulk milk from farmers by road, strips off the cream and mixes it back in, and exports bulk cream and graded milk products - all movements by HGV; but this is an age after the doorstep delivery.

 

Is there a precedent for a rail-served dairy processing and then distributing directly to households (by electric float) or is this a bit of "modellers licence"? I ask because my Father worked in the milk float business from around 1960 to 1980, selling milk floats across the UK, and never mentioned a rail-served customer.

 

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Yea. One day I should have a representation of the ED site adjacent to Seaton Junction. That set of buildings was nowhere near as posh as yours though (shame). May I ask that if you find any other ED vehicles suitable for this sort of era (as for your existing Tankers) circa 1960ish that you mention it as I have looked and looked and can find none other than this vehicle.

I have tried contacting Arla to see if they have any 'archive material' relating to the Express Dairies period, but have never had a response.

I do have one or two useful shots of the SJ buildings if that might be of use for weathering/detail etc.  I also have some taken last summer (but in a monsoon rainstorm) by Stubby 47 (bless him); may be useful?

Looking forward to seeing your loco 'fleet'.

ATB

Phil

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I remember small "local" dairies which received bulk milk from farmers, processed it and distributed bottled milk by electric float to individual households - 1970s and early 1980s.

A modern dairy (2016) imports bulk milk from farmers by road, strips off the cream and mixes it back in, and exports bulk cream and graded milk products - all movements by HGV; but this is an age after the doorstep delivery.

 

Is there a precedent for a rail-served dairy processing and then distributing directly to households (by electric float) or is this a bit of "modellers licence"? I ask because my Father worked in the milk float business from around 1960 to 1980, selling milk floats across the UK, and never mentioned a rail-served customer.

 

- Richard.

There may well be.

This website gives a lot of information on companies that eventually formed unigate.

 

http://www.rooksbridge.org.uk/cvd.htm

 

There is the suggestion that some of the rail served areas in the West Country had some or were near to bottling plants.

In truth, I made the small float depot first, then went ahead with the whole thing as a layout; it seemed a shame not to incorporate it somehow.

An important distinction to make is that in general, milk processed at the creamery was rapidly sent on to the big cities by rail if applicable. At some creamery locations it was then moved on to a bottling plant, nearby.

Some sites have facilities that have been lost in mists of time. An egg packing and checking plant was up the road from Chard creamery, and is visible in old aerial photographs, in the era of Wilts United Dairy.

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What a fantastic layout. I am a big fan of milk trains (both real and modelled) and this is the best model representation of a creamery I have seen. I cannot wait to see the rest of the layout completed.

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What a fantastic layout. I am a big fan of milk trains (both real and modelled) and this is the best model representation of a creamery I have seen. I cannot wait to see the rest of the layout completed.

You'll be liking the new Hornby Mag this Month then, really good.

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A mini-project for tonight, completed.

 

This photo depicts Appleby Express Dairy Manager, John Crosbie standing in front of a rotary churn cleaner.

The young lad to the right is one Jack Steadman, pictured here in ~1931; he was the dairy's first paid employee.

He had a role at the age of 21 working with the steel contractor involved in building the site in 1931, though he was able

to lift the 17 gallon  churns, and was kept on. Prior to this, he had been a railway porter, but was sacked upon

reaching 18 when he was entitled to a man's age.

He gave 44 years service at the Appleby site, retiring at the age of 65 in 1975.

 

Dairy sites had a rotary churn cleaner; most were manual, such as this one from Appleby.

This website gives good background reading and shows a similar machine.

http://mike.da2c.org/igg/rail/12-linind/milk.htm

I have seen perhaps two other photos of churn cleaners; most had a similar design, but were frequently different shapes.

 

Further photographic study reveals that churns of all shapes and sizes could be found on site.

Here is my attempt at making a similar piece of equipment. The figure is a Dart Castings/Monty's Models Porter and Churn; as befits railway modelling in austere times, he is being "re-purposed" from a previous layout, whilst an identical twin will be modified and painted in a different, more suitable way.

The open doorway leads to a loading platform on the outside of this scratchbuilt building, with working sliding door.

It is anticipated that small vehicles such as Scammell Scarabs, or flatbed trucks in the age of Milk Marketing Board can be located outside here, waiting to pick up the cleaned churns to be taken back to the farms.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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There may well be.

This website gives a lot of information on companies that eventually formed unigate.

 

http://www.rooksbridge.org.uk/cvd.htm

 

There is the suggestion that some of the rail served areas in the West Country had some or were near to bottling plants.

In truth, I made the small float depot first, then went ahead with the whole thing as a layout; it seemed a shame not to incorporate it somehow.

An important distinction to make is that in general, milk processed at the creamery was rapidly sent on to the big cities by rail if applicable. At some creamery locations it was then moved on to a bottling plant, nearby.

Some sites have facilities that have been lost in mists of time. An egg packing and checking plant was up the road from Chard creamery, and is visible in old aerial photographs, in the era of Wilts United Dairy.

It seems incredible how an operation the size of Unigate could slip away like this. And now the Express Dairies operation in Hatfield Peverel, which has been Arla Foods for some years and has managed 240 commercial vehicle movements every 24 hours, will probably go later this year.

 

I went to the Transport Museum at Wythall a few years ago - they have a selection of milk floats including Smiths and the W&E three-wheeler. They would be worth a visit (or perhaps some correspondence) to see about information they hold about the operators of the floats.

 

I'm looking forward to seeing more of your model.

 

- Richard.

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I've just found this thread wish I had seen it sooner what a super diorama, I've found it difficult to get enough info on creameries/dairies I've been second guessing with most of my buildings I visited several sites in Devon this year and got no more info than I got from a scanning Google Earth Maps. 

I have laid out my Creamery for operation = churns in, empty, clean, churns out & rail tankers in, clean, loaded, tankers out, one addition is a tanker stand & siding with repair shed, in the late 1930's most of workers were in outfits of the day with aprons but the colour are debatable as per one of your photo's again best guess would be leather apron bleached white it's clearly looking very grubby. 

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Following with interest.  Never thought of a dairy as a standalone project as I have about 20 Lima "St Ivel" milk tanks needing something to run on so I've been trying to find ways to incorporate it into a bigger project and failing due to lack of space.

 

I grew up near the currently-being-demolished dairy at Chard Junction and have fond memories of the Ruston 165 with its flashing yellow light on the roof - not yet fitted in this picture https://www.flickr.com/photos/30937/8743616770/in/photostream/ but I do have an O gauge model of it with one, and 5 St Ivel tanks on pre-order to run with it eventually.

 

I don't have a huge amount of material about Chard Junction that will probably be of interest but if there is anything you'd like to know please message me and I'll be happy to try and help.  Chard Junction and dairies generally have been covered before on RMWeb.

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in the late 1930's most of workers were in outfits of the day with aprons but the colour are debatable as per one of your photo's again best guess would be leather apron bleached white it's clearly looking very grubby.

It looks like sparkling white overalls was the order of the day for some dairy employees. This photo is from the United Dairies plant at Wood Lane in 1936.

 

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Others seemed to have to make do with more mundane overalls as this shot from Express Dairies at Seaton in 1946 shows. Whether this represents a decline in standards due to WW2, different practices for different dairies or different uniforms for different roles is not clear.

 

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Following with interest.  Never thought of a dairy as a standalone project as I have about 20 Lima "St Ivel" milk tanks needing something to run on so I've been trying to find ways to incorporate it into a bigger project and failing due to lack of space.

Some places like Lostwithiel had enough sidings and facilities to make a decent industrial layout, even without the adjacent mainline and nearby station.

 

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