Warrington Bank Quay - The Northern Approach - OO DCC

[Lowlander]

Hi 

 

Can you please tell what make and colour of silver you used on the VGAs ? I like yourself have a few EWS ones that I'd like to backdate.

 

Thanks

 

Stephen 

Edited April 22, 2020 by ayrmrg

[saxokid]

16 hours ago, Timmy84 said:

Hi,

 

Very much enjoyed looking through this and will be amazing when finished. Here's a shot of my 37043 in N Gauge to help your thinking! I think it would be a fine choice.

 

 

Tim.

very nice Tim..

[Wild Boar Fell]

17 hours ago, ayrmrg said:

Hi 

 

Can you please tell what make and colour of silver you used on the VGAs ? I like yourself have a few EWS ones that I'd like to backdate.

 

Thanks

 

Stephen 

Hi Stephen,

Certainly. It is TS-17 from Tamiya, available in a rattle can.

 

I've used it on my prototype CDA to HAA conversion and seemed a reasonable match. I'm tempted to also see how close a match it is to the silver on a Hornby Pendolino.

 

Happy Modelling,

Wild Boar Fell

[Wild Boar Fell]

And now for something completely different.

Here at Boar Towers we'd fancied doing an 'isolation project', something fairly achievable, but a little different. 

Our chosen subject were Mk2 DBSOs, @DCP is doing a Network Rail RTOV (9702) and i'm doing a DRS example (9705). Regular readers may remember I nearly attempted a DBSO a couple of years ago, before Hornby had announced the Mk2Fs. Tbh I'm glad I waited, no solebars on these.

 

The slight irony is I have a selection of photos of DRS DBSOs taken at Carlisle and Kingmoor depot, but the Network Rail examples I walk past everyday (pre-lockdown), I don't have any. So this one will have to do...

 

I must admit now that most of the photos are of DCP's RTOV as I forgot to stop to take photos.

 

The subjects...

 

First job was to remove the body, take out the gangways and carefully remove the glazing without snapping it.

 

Next up we decided to open up the cab end hole, this should make it easier to fit the glazing once the blanking piece has been fitted. Shown is 9705 as I have removed some material at the top to clear the cyclops light fitted on the DRS examples. It is interesting how many differences there are between 9702 & 9705, blanked windows, window sizes, light clusters, ETS jumpers & TDM/RCH connections to name but a few.

 

The cab end also had the detail removed including the guttering, the water tank filler cutouts were also filled in. The area for the ETS dummy was removed on 9705 and infilled on 9702.

Then it was a case of blanking the windows adjacent to the van doors. This area will eventually have the driver's door (Driver's side only) and cab windows (both sides). These were blanked with 40thou styrene, once the window corners had been squared off.

 

Then to see how things were looking, we gave them a quick blast of primer, 9702 (RTOV) is at the back, with 9705 (DBSO) at the front. Since then they've had extra filler added and been sanded. 

 

That's as far as we got this afternoon. Next I think it'll be a case of marking out the new windows and drilling these out. Maybe NRN aerials and a few other details.

 

Stay Safe,

Wild Boar Fell 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 25, 2020 by Wild Boar Fell

[Wild Boar Fell]

We got some more work done on the DBSOs today, photos only of the DRS example for now (hopefully better ones of both later).

Using photos and the existing windows as a guide, the Driver's door and the cab side windows were marked out and removed from the areas prepared yesterday. The opening for the windows have been left rough at the moment, these will be made to suit new windows from Replica Railways. 

 

The end had more filler added and smoothed again. This is ready to start marking out the windows, I'll use the windows to work out the sizes of the headlight surrounds.

 

A rough guess was made at the size of the NRN aerials and these were made out of plastic sheet, the close up looks pretty cruel tbh. The driver's step was also added beneath the new door and the step on the bogie moved inboard. This is another item where the NR and DRS examples differ, the steps are different sizes (this may differ vehicle to vehicle actually).

 

Next I need to work out how I can make the obstacle deflection, think that might be a tricky one.

 

Wild Boar Fell

[newbryford]

4 hours ago, Wild Boar Fell said:

We got some more work done on the DBSOs today, photos only of the DRS example for now (hopefully better ones of both later).

Using photos and the existing windows as a guide, the Driver's door and the cab side windows were marked out and removed from the areas prepared yesterday. The opening for the windows have been left rough at the moment, these will be made to suit new windows from Replica Railways. 

 

The end had more filler added and smoothed again. This is ready to start marking out the windows, I'll use the windows to work out the sizes of the headlight surrounds.

 

A rough guess was made at the size of the NRN aerials and these were made out of plastic sheet, the close up looks pretty cruel tbh. The driver's step was also added beneath the new door and the step on the bogie moved inboard. This is another item where the NR and DRS examples differ, the steps are different sizes (this may differ vehicle to vehicle actually).

 

Next I need to work out how I can make the obstacle deflection, think that might be a tricky one.

 

Wild Boar Fell

 

 I have three more to make...... for my nearly finished 9701/2/3

I've used styrene with various scores and bends on previous models (but the last RTOV I did was about 5 yeasrs ago.....

 I wonder if a 3-D print may be an option?

[Wild Boar Fell]

6 minutes ago, newbryford said:

 

 I have three more to make...... for my nearly finished 9701/2/3

I've used styrene with various scores and bends on previous models (but the last RTOV I did was about 5 yeasrs ago.....

 I wonder if a 3-D print may be an option?

 

I've been a muppet, just realised Strathpeffer Junction kindly sent me a Cameo Plotter file for his ScotRail DBSO conversion. Think I'll fire up the plotter and give that one a try first. 3D print is a decent shout though.

 

Strathpeffer's done a video on Youtube about his conversion, I don't think I've seen his work on RMWeb.

 

I look forward to seeing those, my old man (ducks for cover) is doing 9702 too.

[Wild Boar Fell]

Another evening's work,

With the delivery of some windows from Replica Railways, our attention turned to getting the 'face' of the DBSOs looking right.

First off was to remove the curve from the areas where the windows will go, to me this appears to be a flat panel angle slightly rearward from the door blank to the corner pillar. This was filed out using masking tape as a guide, not convinced I got both sides even, but they can always be built back up with filler.

Then it was a case of guess where the windows needed to be from photos and take the plunge. Hopefully they look alright.

I'm not to worried about the neatness of the window frames at this stage, as I'll make some overlays for the raised surrounds which should hide many sins.

The first 3 are the DRS vehicle, the 4th is DCP's RTOV, note the wider central window on the latter as per the prototype.

 

RTOV

 

Happy Modelling and Stay Safe,

Wild Boar Fell

[saxokid]

5 hours ago, Wild Boar Fell said:

Another evening's work,

With the delivery of some windows from Replica Railways, our attention turned to getting the 'face' of the DBSOs looking right.

First off was to remove the curve from the areas where the windows will go, to me this appears to be a flat panel angle slightly rearward from the door blank to the corner pillar. This was filed out using masking tape as a guide, not convinced I got both sides even, but they can always be built back up with filler.

Then it was a case of guess where the windows needed to be from photos and take the plunge. Hopefully they look alright.

I'm not to worried about the neatness of the window frames at this stage, as I'll make some overlays for the raised surrounds which should hide many sins.

The first 3 are the DRS vehicle, the 4th is DCP's RTOV, note the wider central window on the latter as per the prototype.

 

RTOV

 

Happy Modelling and Stay Safe,

Wild Boar Fell

Nice work here,i too made one but used brass etched kit from P&H design for the front part of the DBSO  coach...

[big jim]

Plenty of pics of NR DBSOs on my Flickr feed

 

 

I’ve got a brass template for PH designs kit doing nothing here if it’s any use to you, helps to line up the windows and handrail holes etc 

 

[Wild Boar Fell]

2 hours ago, big jim said:

Plenty of pics of NR DBSOs on my Flickr feed

 

 

I’ve got a brass template for PH designs kit doing nothing here if it’s any use to you, helps to line up the windows and handrail holes etc 

 

 

Cracking photo that Jim, looks like MENTOR by the loco too?

 

Thanks for the offer, I'll see how we get on for now, but that's very kind cheers.

 

Kind Regards,

Wild Boar Fell

[Wild Boar Fell]

Why start one project when you can start several...

Whilst looking for information on the DBSOs I stumbled across another vehicle that looked like a relatively straightforward conversion.

Then I looked at a few more photos and realised just how wrong I was, but that was after I'd ordered the bogies, drat!

 

So, this below will hopefully become UTU4 vehicle 999606, part of one of the ultrasonic test trains.

As I'm sure it's going to go dreadfully wrong, I'm starting with a Hatchette Mk1, and have managed to source some spare bogies from a Hornby 4-VEP.

The plan is to move the windows to the correct spacing for the vehicle, then add the shutter doors. I'm not trying to go for 100% accuracy on this one, but something that looks close enough.

 

This is what it should look like eventually (Flickr embedded)

And the other side,

 

Happy Modelling,

Wild Boar Fell

[big jim]

Those hachette coaches are great for messing about with silly projects like UTUs, I did 999605 ‘UTU 2’, still not finished it though

 

as for accuracy, mines not 100% but I am doing the inside prototypically and illuminating it etc whenever I get round to it

 

 

 

that was 3 years ago and I’ve not touched it since! 

[Wild Boar Fell]

Looking good that Jim, you picked a trickier one than me.

999606 seems to have got away lightly on the modifications front, especially roof wise. 

Are they PH Design's window surrounds you've used?

 

I'm thinking the large boxes on the underframe will disguise the lack of detail on the hatchette chassis. Although I have cut away some of the 'webbing' on my TPO conversions (2 years and not finished).

[saxokid]

3 hours ago, Wild Boar Fell said:

Looking good that Jim, you picked a trickier one than me.

999606 seems to have got away lightly on the modifications front, especially roof wise. 

Are they PH Design's window surrounds you've used?

 

I'm thinking the large boxes on the underframe will disguise the lack of detail on the hatchette chassis. Although I have cut away some of the 'webbing' on my TPO conversions (2 years and not finished).

Ive made few of these yellow Network rail coaches,tool vans and generators ect.

yours looks great wild boar fell..

[big jim]

18 hours ago, Wild Boar Fell said:

Looking good that Jim, you picked a trickier one than me.

999606 seems to have got away lightly on the modifications front, especially roof wise. 

Are they PH Design's window surrounds you've used?

 

 

The frames were from a forum member in here @Wolf27 iirc they were for the modified ‘mentor’ etches sides he did and I’m sure I got the last set off him 

 

(apologies to wolf27 if it wasn’t you, it was 5 years ago I bought them!)

[Wild Boar Fell]

Thank you both, 

Not a lot to show from today but I did manage to get the transfers onto the VGA, most of these are Railtec with the warning flashes being HMRS pressfix. Since sealed with some Matt varnish.

One chassis has now had the new buffers fitted but awaits painting.

 

Not the best photos admittedly.

Managed to get a bit more bodywork done on the UTU. Hopefully photos tomorrow.

 

Happy Modelling,

Wild Boar Fell

Edited May 2, 2020 by Wild Boar Fell

[saxokid]

More good info and pictures all helps in railway building...

[Wild Boar Fell]

Some more photos as mentioned yesterday.

I certainly seem to be in a rolling stock mood at the moment. Although I really should crack on with some more of Lunerigg too.

First up UTU4 (999606), having now worked out the window spacing with the aid of a Mk1 suburban, two windows on each side have been repositioned and the remaining areas blanked. I'm now in the process of making this area good before I worry about the doors and smaller windows on one side.

Then attention can turn to the roof and underframe. 

 

Two more of the HAAs have gone through the pain shop, this takes the CDA to HAA conversions upto 5 (out of 37! ), next up they'll receive transfers and eventually weathering. 

 

I have a few BDAs to get weathered or repainted, with this one going into EWS(ish) as a trial. I've been trying to paint around the printing and hide the imperfections with lashings of weathering. Two are staying in loadhaul, might try one in railfreight red or even try a Brill.

 

Finally, the first of the VGAs has been temporarily re-assemble with its repaired chassis, thing this one might get a light weathering only.

 

Posed with a Bachmann factory weathered example.

 

Only 3 more to go...

 

 

Wild Boar Fell

[d winpenny]

Nice work bud Are you using new CDAs into HAAs?

 

david

[Wild Boar Fell]

18 minutes ago, d winpenny said:

Nice work bud Are you using new CDAs into HAAs?

 

david

 

Cheers David,

The CDAs were all second hand, but are the never 'super detailed' tooling.

 

HTH,

Wild Boar Fell

[d winpenny]

Ah fair enough was just wondering as I have 36 railroad ones I’m no longer using all weathered 

 

david

[saxokid]

12 hours ago, d winpenny said:

Ah fair enough was just wondering as I have 36 railroad ones I’m no longer using all weathered 

 

david

Any pictures David??

[Markmiller2008]

On 30/04/2020 at 17:21, big jim said:

The frames were from a forum member in here @Wolf27 iirc they were for the modified ‘mentor’ etches sides he did and I’m sure I got the last set off him 

 

(apologies to wolf27 if it wasn’t you, it was 5 years ago I bought them!)

 

It was Definitely Shane that dd the Mentor Kit.

[d winpenny]

3 hours ago, saxokid said:

Any pictures David??

I’ve actually got 54 18 ‘loaded’ 18 empty, and another 18 spare

 

 

 

 

ps @wildboarfell apologies for cluttering up your thread I will remove these if you wish?

 

david