50t Warwell Wagon in OO Gauge

[Butler Henderson]

Looking around for chain I noticed the reference in the thread to the Cambrian chain which is 33 links / inch and is supplied blackened in a 1 metre length at a cost of £8.90 plus £2.50 postage.  http://www.cambrianmodels.co.uk/accswheels.html

 

Scale Model Scenery sell one that is 35 links / inch, is non blackened and is sold per 1/2 metre for £2.25 with, again, £2.50 postage

https://www.scalemodelscenery.co.uk/shop/ultra-fine-brass-chain-35-links-per-inch-for-oo-o-n/?v=79cba1185463

[it's-er]

I ordered my Warwell from Hattons on Monday last week, and it arrived or Wednesday - good service ... and what a brilliant model!

 

Thanks to Butler Henderson at post 403 for links to suppliers of fine chain. Has anyone attached such chain to their Hattons Warwell? If so, how have you done it? I'm hoping someone on here has already done it, and has a clever idea or two?

 

John Storey

[stephennicholson]

I ordered my Warwell from Hattons on Monday last week, and it arrived or Wednesday - good service ... and what a brilliant model!

 

Thanks to Butler Henderson at post 403 for links to suppliers of fine chain. Has anyone attached such chain to their Hattons Warwell? If so, how have you done it? I'm hoping someone on here has already done it, and has a clever idea or two?

 

John Storey

 

 

I have been experimenting with using magnets. I have glued magnets underneath the wagon where the anchor points are above and then glued tiny cylindrical magnets to the end of the chains.  The chain is then actually fixed to the tank - the idea being to have interchangeable loads.  It works reasonably well, with the magnets being powerful enough to hold the tank, although its fiddly to get the chain length right and to get the chain tension to look realistic. Am undecided whether to pursue it as I want to have several different load types on several wagons for a WW2 layout project that my club is working on. I think I might need something simpler.

[bubbles2]

I ordered my Warwell from Hattons on Monday last week, and it arrived or Wednesday - good service ... and what a brilliant model!

 

Thanks to Butler Henderson at post 403 for links to suppliers of fine chain. Has anyone attached such chain to their Hattons Warwell? If so, how have you done it? I'm hoping someone on here has already done it, and has a clever idea or two?

 

John Storey

5 amp fuse wire threaded through the chain link passed through a small hole drilled in the deck and glued with super glue to the under side of the deck.

Edited September 1, 2017 by bubbles2

[Butler Henderson]

I ordered my Warwell from Hattons on Monday last week, and it arrived or Wednesday - good service ... and what a brilliant model!

Warwell orders seem to be getting priority - my order for various oddments plus a couple of Warwells was equally fast in its delivery despite not paying for any fast delivery.

[Thebigshot]

Hi Guy's

 

This may sound a daft question but what brake van can I use with the war wagon can could I use any brake van in BR days

 

 

Thanks

Alan

[Mark Saunders]

Hi Guy's

 

This may sound a daft question but what brake van can I use with the war wagon can could I use any brake van in BR days

 

 

Thanks

Alan

 

Any suitable for your era and location!

 

There were a few of the Southern Railway design built for the Army/MoS during the war but I have no idea about them working on the mainline during or after the war?

 

Mark Saunders

 

 

Mark Saunders

[Thebigshot]

Any suitable for your era and location!

 

There were a few of the Southern Railway design built for the Army/MoS during the war but I have no idea about them working on the mainline during or after the war?

 

Mark Saunders

 

 

Mark Saunders

Hi Mark

 

I'm just checking I've under stood what you have said I could run any warwell with a BR standard or GWR (Western Regin) toad and that would be okay

 

Thanks

Alan

[Mark Saunders]

Hi Mark

 

I'm just checking I've under stood what you have said I could run any warwell with a BR standard or GWR (Western Regin) toad and that would be okay

 

Thanks

Alan

 

Yes!

 

Any Brake Van!

 

Mark Saunders

[Thebigshot]

Yes!

 

Any Brake Van!

 

Mark Saunders

Hi Mark

 

Thanks very much for you input and the time you have spent in replying

 

Thanks

Alan

[hmrspaul]

Looking for some advice here.

 

I've just had three warwells delivered, one of the electrification versions and one each of a 1970s diamond frame in Olive (WW-004) and a Gloucester bogie version in olive (WW-014).

 

Great models as reported widely on here. My question though is related to the finish of the two 1970s Olive versions. I guess I was expecting them to be the same colour so that I could have a bit of variation in a rake but with a uniform appearance. As it turns out the diamond frame version is more of a battleship grey while the other one is a olive green as I had expected.

 

I have to admit that I know very little about military wagons, so would the two versions not actually have run together anyway ?. Also was there a significant difference in the Olive colour between these types ?.

 

Any advice / guidance would be greatly appreciated.

Hattons appear to have got closer to the actual appearance of MODA95560 when I photographed it, rather than reproducing how it would have appeared after a General Repair many years before. This was a late survivor of then non rebuilt wagons. http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/warwell/e3f3862c1

 

Paul

[hmrspaul]

I have now taken some photographs of the examples I have. I may have to break this up into separate mailings.

 

DM721227. Hattons H4-WW-009  This is an example of LMS Diagram special 5B. There were 38 of these 30Ton Bogie Bolster B M721200 - 37 from the turn of Nationalisation, reportedly converted Wolverton 1949. I have a photograph http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/warwell/e8d555a36 in 1988 and a number of others from this batch alongside this one in my collection.

 

 

 

 

 

 

DM748343 Hattons H4-WW-011 An example of LMS diag special 11D for the Engineers department, BBS, note it had bolsters originally as well as the flat deck. My diagram is stamped 5 July 1949. There were 50 of these M748300 - 49. I have a number of photos of this example, including another 1988 one http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/warwell/e367d8f04

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

M360329 Hattons H4-WW-007 The final LMR wagons retained their original features, although the diagram shows they had some wooden blocks which are not on the model. These were LMS diagram special 133F for Loco boilers and tenders. There were 12 of these M360329 - 340. My diagram is stamped 5 July 1949. I have a number of photos of this example, including http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/warwell/e8d5c2150 in 1979. I have others of this batch in the collection, including 360333 which I am looking forward to receiving in 7mm (and has been available in 4mm)

 

 

 

 

 

Paul

[hmrspaul]

Continuing....

 

The other companies/regions purchased and converted more of these warwell.

 

The SR had DS3146 - 3151, retaining the original appearance as boiler carriers. http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/warwell/ed42ff04 is in good BR olive green in 1980.

 

The LNER had, I believe E314141 - 167 & 314168 - 178. The first were allocated diag 212 which I havent seen but appear to have been Bogie bolster Bs with 6 bolsters similar to the LMS ones [Tatlow book 4B is incorrect apparently mixing the diagram number and stock number] Again plenty of examples including KDE314159 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/warwell/e9b34313 in 1984 and there are other photos of it in 1986. The second batch may have been without bolsters the only one I have a photograph of doesn't have any http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/warwell/ef347f8a

 

The GWR had two lots, 32884 - 32904 of lot 1645 Dec 1948. These appear to have been a similar Bogie Bolster B conversion and BR GWR diag J33. 32886 was in original condition being used for electrification of the BedPan line in 1979, http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/warwell/e1e9d486f and converted to carry a cement mixer in 1980  http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/warwell/e3d42021 although by 1983 this one didn't have bolsters - but the deck looks they have been removed http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/warwell/ed13960c. They also had lot 1655 of July 1949 33900/2/3 but I don't know what their appearance or use was; I am suspicious like the other companies they may have been without bolsters and used for boiler carrying or similar.

 

Finally another 40 appear in the BR records as Bogie Bolster B as lot 3415 Swindon 1961 as W160800 - 839 This was at the same time as many more Warflats appear in the BR fleets (Used for coil conversions etc, but another story when Bachmann finally produce their model). Example photos include http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/warwell/e8d5c214b from 1982 This is similar to the other Bogie bolsters but another is like the LMS diagram 11D with a flat deck and bolsters http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/warwell/e21c25ee

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Of course these wagons gave a lot of more specialist conversions, and the MOD retained some on original bogies in internal use into the 1990s, and possibly later http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/warwell/e32767220

 

 

Finally as we have discussed the MOD retained a good fleet of these wagons and added new bogies, air brake and sometimes other features. The earliest I saw such a conversion was spring 1977 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/warwell/e8d555a38

 

So the number series of the conversions is only findable from the spotters books which give diagram numbers for individual wagons.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

NOTE I have not added any of the extras provided with these models - vacuum pipes. air pipes, non working screw couplings.

 

Paul

[hmrspaul]

Nice photo of a pair of well presented, loaded Warwells c1970 at https://www.flickr.com/photos/blue-diesels/36263681284/in/dateposted/

 

Paul

[mikesndbs]

OH! just had an Oxford Rail warwell and tank arrive!

 

Really nice, proper compensated coupling and chains for the tank, oh and a tank!

 

Not sure I did right now lol

 

 

[mikesndbs]

Evening all, here is my video review and comparison of the new Oxford Rail, Warwell wagon.

We take a good close look then see it alongside the Hattons Warwell released earlier this year.

While there are some enhancements as far as I am concerned the Hattons wagon has the edge on detail whereas the Oxford one has the better running and coupling distance.

Truthfully for me there is no clear winner here, both are excellent and really plug the gap for the WW2 era modeller, however there are differing versions covering all dates to present day.

See what you think?

 

Oxford has the edge due to price and couplings for me personally.

 

https://youtu.be/dhnjhfBiVqo

[ELTEL]

Did/Does Network Rail or its predecessor Railtrack have any Warwell?

 

If so what were the used to carry?

 

Any pictures?

 

Eltel

[Fat Controller]

Did/Does Network Rail or its predecessor Railtrack have any Warwell?

 

If so what were the used to carry?

 

Any pictures?

 

Eltel

They'd gone by then.

[ELTEL]

That's what I thought.

 

Shame as I really wanted one.

 

Eltel

[Fat Controller]

That's what I thought.

 

Shame as I really wanted one.

 

E

You could still go for one of the re-engineered ones in MoD Bronze Green: the load needn't be overtly military, but perhaps civil engineering plant of some sort.

[hmrspaul]

You could still go for one of the re-engineered ones in MoD Bronze Green: the load needn't be overtly military, but perhaps civil engineering plant of some sort.

Some of the twin jib crane conversions survived into this decade. http://www.ontrackplant.com/cranes/list-496-br-non-self-propelled-heavy-duty-twin-jib-crane

 

PAul

[Thebigshot]

Hi Guys

 

It would be great if Hattons done another run of the ones that are sold out as I'd like some more in the BR 1950/60 era but with different running numbers

 

Thanks

Alan

[hmrspaul]

Hi Guys

 

It would be great if Hattons done another run of the ones that are sold out as I'd like some more in the BR 1950/60 era but with different running numbers

 

Thanks

Alan

Unlike their rivals Hattons appear dedicated to copying closely photos of the prototype. It means the current range has been mainly of the wagons later in life. They are going to find it difficult to find suitable photos of the wagons in 1950s/60s condition. They were relatively rare - they were only in penny numbers when similar wagons were in their many thousands. Finding them was never easy, but it did become easier with the demise of the much less solidly constructed other bolster and weltrols. Built to carry 50tons they were mostly downgraded to carry 30tons which also must have assisted with giving them long lives. I think they should be in freight stock red. The model of 748343 nicely shows the LMS writing and bauxite with a grey over the main body parts - the BBS showing the LMS code which wouldn't have been used by BR within a year or so of nationalisation.

 

 

Paul

Edited September 30, 2017 by hmrspaul

[Thebigshot]

Unlike their rivals Hattons appear dedicated to copying closely photos of the prototype. It means the current range has been mainly of the wagons later in life. They are going to find it difficult to find suitable photos of the wagons in 1950s/60s condition. They were relatively rare - they were only in penny numbers when similar wagons were in their many thousands. Finding them was never easy, but it did become easier with the demise of the much less solidly constructed other bolster and weltrols. Built to carry 50tons they were mostly downgraded to carry 30tons which also must have assisted with giving them long lives. I think they should be in freight stock red. The model of 748343 nicely shows the LMS writing and bauxite with a grey over the main body parts - the BBS showing the LMS code which wouldn't have been used by BR within a year or so of nationalisation.

 

 

Paul

Thanks Paul

 

The information you have given I was not aware off I presumed that there was a lot more than what hattons have produced.

 

Thanks

Alan

[TRAILRAGE]

After seeing the photos up thread yesterday I ordered one of each of the three modern image warwells. Usual excellent service from Hattons they've just arrived.

 

Very well packed and cleverly designed boxes. One buffer had come adrift but that was easily replaced.

 

The bodies of these wagons are truly excellent. Sublime rivet detail and track grips on the deck. Excellent representation of the wooden beams with grain effect. Paint colours, and lettering are suberb. I've said previously that these wagons didn't represent the wagons as they run now with the widened decks above the bogies which was done presumably to facilitate carrying Warrior vehicles but I was considering overlooking this as they looked so good.

 

Turning the wagon over the detail underneath is excellent too. Underside of the wooden deck beams have grain effect. Brake cylinder and piping included. Rivet detail on frames present.

 

Problem. The Gloucester GPS bogies are seriously under nourished. On all photographs of the real wagons I have seen the bogies are the same width as the frames. On the model they are approx 2mm to narrow on each side so about 4mm overall. I'm not convinced about the depth of the bogie frames either. It's almost like they are HO scale. I'll compare them with some Appleby Model Engineering GPS bogies I have later when I dig them out of the cupboard.

 

Overall then body 9.5 / 10, bogies 4 / 10.

 

With the big problem with the bogies, and the minor problem with the body I'm considering whether I will return them for refund.

Although I don't personally model EM or P4, the bogie width on these is one of the things putting me off purchasing some as it just doesn't look right. . That along with the lack of CCU which is a shame. Not slating the wagon as it really does have some incredible detail looking at the photo's, just a personal choice.

 

Cheers Trailrage