david.hill64 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 One of the things I find great about the shots of the 27's is the signalling: the shot showing 5377 nearest the camera shows the WR signals and the other one shows the LM signals. Tramway Junction was where I spent many happy hours in my young days writing down numbers on scarps of paper scrounged from my nan who lived in a house (where I was born) overlooking Horton Road depot. If only those scraps of paper had survived! I think the 22's were drafted in to replace the Yogi Bears. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted October 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 21, 2016 A lot of midland diesel freight locos were in that condition during the latter days of steam in that area. I have to apologise in advance to the (unknown) copyright holder of this photo, but if anyone can recognise the location - they could have a pair of filthy class 27s, what appears to be a 22 on the extreme right, and what looks like SR steam locos on the left; together with WR lower quadrants. A lot of SR steam went to Cashmores at Newport for cutting. From other photos it looks as if Gloucester was a common storage point for locos heading to the scrap yards of South Wales. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted October 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 21, 2016 A lot of SR steam went to Cashmores at Newport for cutting. From other photos it looks as if Gloucester was a common storage point for locos heading to the scrap yards of South Wales. They went via Gloucester because they weren't allowed through the Severn Tunnel although I believe some also went to another breaker somewhere along/off the mainline between Gloucester and severn Tunnel Jcn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
br2975 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 A lot of SR steam went to Cashmores at Newport for cutting. From other photos it looks as if Gloucester was a common storage point for locos heading to the scrap yards of South Wales. Gloucester was a concentration point for withdrawn steam locos en-route to the South Wales scrapyards. . This was more noticeable when steam ended on the Southern Region. . Many would be moved again, only as far as the former Severn Tunnel Junction steam shed where they would lay over and be marshalled in batches waiting the for the last part of their journey to the individaul scrapyards (of which there were many in South Wales). . Locos en-route to South Wales from the North West of England were stored at Sutton Bridge Junction, Shrewsbury from where they would be moved down the 'North & West' (no one called it 'The Marches Line'). to South Wales. . Brian R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Also saw "Falcon" at Gloucester. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted October 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 21, 2016 Also saw "Falcon" at Gloucester. What was she working Peter? Allegedly she did get as far north as Derby one day towing a 25, came back light engine Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted October 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 21, 2016 They went via Gloucester because they weren't allowed through the Severn Tunnel although I believe some also went to another breaker somewhere along/off the mainline between Gloucester and severn Tunnel Jcn. Interesting - wonder where that was ? Can only think of Wards at Abbey Works (LLanthony I think in Gloucester) and Sharpness. The fact that both only took Ex GW locos makes me think they had ceased operations by the time Southern steam was winding down Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 What was she working Peter? Allegedly she did get as far north as Derby one day towing a 25, came back light engine Phil She was on shed Phil. Unfortunately on a roll of film that died a death..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted October 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 21, 2016 Cheers Guys, I'll need to look further South then, as I want 22's, 35's Warship and Westerns mixed with some Midland workings. I'm NOT going to model an actual location, more a general area, but I need to be able to run Black 5's and Jubilees occasionally, so that's why I was thinking around the area just North of Bath on the old S & D Line to begin with. I think I need to re look at that area now, as opposed to the North Wales Route or maybe nearer to Birmingham. Here's a 22 at Warwick in 1966 if http://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/gwrw2169.htm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted October 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 21, 2016 Interesting - wonder where that was ? Can only think of Wards at Abbey Works (LLanthony I think in Gloucester) and Sharpness. The fact that both only took Ex GW locos makes me think they had ceased operations by the time Southern steam was winding down Phil Ah, I think you're right Phil - I was thinking of Sharpness, wrong side of the river alas. However I've an idea I saw something somewhere about condemned engines being collected at somewhere like Grange Court and it might be that which is confusing my aged brain (and they might not have been Southern things anyway of course). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
br2975 Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 Ah, I think you're right Phil - I was thinking of Sharpness, wrong side of the river alas. However I've an idea I saw something somewhere about condemned engines being collected at somewhere like Grange Court and it might be that which is confusing my aged brain (and they might not have been Southern things anyway of course). I can recall seeing (from a distance) several withdrawn locos, including a 9F, in the sidings at Over Jct. . Sadly I don't recall the date, but it was circa 1967-1968 . As for Sharpness, I recall Cooper's Metals cutting several locos there. . I have a list of the South Wales yards somewhere, for those with insomnia. Brian R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
50A55B Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 Here's a 22 at Warwick in 1966 if http://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/gwrw2169.htm A bit OT for the thread, but that's an interesting station nameboard on the lamp post, it looks to be corporate identity style but with unusual rounded corners.Nice picture of the NBL, too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted October 22, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 22, 2016 A bit OT for the thread, but that's an interesting station nameboard on the lamp post, it looks to be corporate identity style but with unusual rounded corners. Nice picture of the NBL, too. Warwick still had double sausage totems in 1965 but photos from mid-1966 show the new style. The edges look like the older BR rectangular notices so I guess they did some on the old pressings in the new style. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Endacott Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 What a great pic - look at the state of that Brush type 4! That's one of the cleaner ones! Geoff Endacott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
br2975 Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 What was she working Peter? Allegedly she did get as far north as Derby one day towing a 25, came back light engine Phil That was 27th. September 1972 - 'Falcon' towed D7520 from Ebbw Junction to Derby and returned immediately. In later life, June 1974, whilst still allocated to Ebbw Junction 'Falcon' suddenly "appeared" outside the Brush works at Loughborough. . Apparently some BR mix up which didn't take into account (i) Falcon had been bought by BR a few years earlier (ii) the rail connection to the Brush works no longer existed, and (iii) Brush had no knowledge of its' arrival, or as to why it was there ! . 'Falcon' languished there for about a week, then returned to South Wales ( via Derby ) where it was returned to service shuttling around Newport . Brian R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted October 23, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 23, 2016 I think I read some where that Falcon was intended to be a standby generator to cover for CEGB strike action. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norton961 Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Re withdrawn locos being stored at Shelf sidings at Shrewsbury, locos were also stored in the depot at Shrewsbury usually in the old GW side of the shed which was little used in the mid 1960s, operational locos using the old LMS side. The problem for the operations department was find a path for the trains of withdrawn locos as they had to run at restricted speeds. It was not unknown for one of the withdrawn locos to run a hot box and have to be taken out of the train for attention. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted October 28, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 28, 2016 Here's a 22 at Warwick in 1966 if http://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/gwrw2169.htm Wow! Can only imagine that was a Banbury turn with a loco outstationed from Oxford? Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted October 28, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 28, 2016 She was on shed Phil. Unfortunately on a roll of film that died a death..... Does this match Peter? https://uk.pinterest.com/pin/571957221410315556/ Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted October 29, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 29, 2016 Wow! Can only imagine that was a Banbury turn with a loco outstationed from Oxford? Phil I'm not sure - the Hatton bank loco was previously a Leamington job, but this shed had closed about a year previously. D6348 was nominally at OOC at the time, but one of the links may have taken her onto the Oxford trip workings, and then from there to Hatton somehow. We have such good information about coach workings etc available nowadays, but sadly its not the same for shed diagrams, which seem not to have survived in most cases. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 I'm not sure - the Hatton bank loco was previously a Leamington job, but this shed had closed about a year previously. D6348 was nominally at OOC at the time, but one of the links may have taken her onto the Oxford trip workings, and then from there to Hatton somehow. We have such good information about coach workings etc available nowadays, but sadly its not the same for shed diagrams, which seem not to have survived in most cases. Ex-Old Oak man Pete Nichols posted something about this on facebook a while ago, I'll ask him what the story was... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted October 29, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 29, 2016 Ex-Old Oak man Pete Nichols posted something about this on facebook a while ago, I'll ask him what the story was... Yes please, I often wondered how it got there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D854_Tiger Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 Wow! Can only imagine that was a Banbury turn with a loco outstationed from Oxford? Phil Wow was my reaction hadn't realised they had ever got that far towards Birmingham. Assuming it was a one off, what would have normally worked the banker back then in 1966. Steam was still around at Snow Hill then and north of Banbury was London Midland territory, by then, so I suppose the banker could have still been steam worked at the time. If it wasn't then what other diesels could have worked the diagram, possibly it was a Bescot job, which would most likely mean a class 24 or 25. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted December 19, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 19, 2016 Another good location would be the Gloucester-Severn Tunnel route; all of the hydraulics, in fact every type of loco and dmu allocated to the WR in the late 60s, plus frequent workings from the LMR and even Eastern Region that could not be relieved at Gloucester and had to work through to Severn Tunnel; 31s, 25s, 20s, 26/7s. split headcode 37s, and occasional Metro-Cammell and BRCW dmus from Birmingham. Even more fun a few years before with WR and LMR steam as well... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted December 19, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 19, 2016 Never seen a record of a 26 at Gloucester except in preservation - but add Classes 40 and 44. Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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