GordonC Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 58 minutes ago, ThaneofFife said: So is that a friends model given you cancelled your own order? The model pictures is from Sawyers Models website Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted March 22, 2023 Author Share Posted March 22, 2023 7 minutes ago, GordonC said: The model pictures is from Sawyers Models website well if it turns out your right and the doors need repainting it an easy enough job and worth it for such a one off loco. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cairnsroadworks Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 28 minutes ago, Gtucker72 said: Search Flikr for “87006 1984”. You’ll get loads of photos and whilst the loco’s colour changes based on photo exposure and how clean the loco is, the doors are always the same colour as the body. That was exactly the search I did 🤣 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cairnsroadworks Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 11 minutes ago, ThaneofFife said: well if it turns out your right and the doors need repainting it an easy enough job and worth it for such a one off loco. My thoughts too… if the Hornby shade matches the paint of course 🫣 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 97406 Posted March 22, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 22, 2023 I'll sit and wait for 87006 to become another £99 special in a year or two. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Markwj Posted March 22, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 22, 2023 Incidentally all the mock up pictures of the intercity livery show it without body side numbers, can anyone who has the model confirm they have been applied? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, ThaneofFife said: well if it turns out your right and the doors need repainting it an easy enough job and worth it for such a one off loco. It would be a whole lot easier to paint the doors black if they're the wrong bodyside colour rather than trying to go the other way to match to the bodyside grey. being a one-off livery with a limited timespan of 1984, its not good to have doubts about the livery application. I'll wait til they're in the bargain bin Edited March 22, 2023 by GordonC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR(S) Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Markwj said: Incidentally all the mock up pictures of the intercity livery show it without body side numbers, can anyone who has the model confirm they have been applied? Pictures now available here: https://oliviastrains.com/product/Hornby-r30031-87009-city-of-birmingham-i-city/ 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 9 hours ago, BR(S) said: Pictures now available here: https://oliviastrains.com/product/Hornby-r30031-87009-city-of-birmingham-i-city/ Is that not still the catalogue pictures? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim76 Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 17 minutes ago, GordonC said: Is that not still the catalogue pictures? The orange cantrail stripe looks… yellow? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widnes Model Centre Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 (edited) I have just spoken to someone who has Glasgow and Birmingham in his shop. He confirms that both models are exactly as they ran. He has personal knowledge of both locos. Confirming that cab side numbers never appeared on City of Glasgow. Edited March 23, 2023 by Widnes Model Centre Clarification of loco Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cairnsroadworks Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 21 minutes ago, Widnes Model Centre said: I have just spoken to someone who has Glasgow and Birmingham in his shop. He confirms that both models are exactly as they ran. He has personal knowledge of both locos. Confirming that cab side numbers never appeared on City of Birmingham Flickr suggests otherwise - https://flic.kr/p/2iRPcKT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 23 minutes ago, Widnes Model Centre said: I have just spoken to someone who has Glasgow and Birmingham in his shop. He confirms that both models are exactly as they ran. He has personal knowledge of both locos. Confirming that cab side numbers never appeared on City of Birmingham I've never found a picture of City of Birmingham where it didn't have cabside numbers. Was that a short term thing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cairnsroadworks Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 https://www.instagram.com/p/CqDpm0mIM-h/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= in any case the numbers appear to be present. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 It looks pretty freshly painted here 8th September 1984 so also one of the earliest into Intercity Executive livery but that looks like cabside numbers to me. The Hornby catalogue pictures show the later version of the livery with White BR arrows rather than black cabside. It might have been 1987 before it got white arrows, haven't found a reliable picture otherwise but it still had cabside numbers then. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cairnsroadworks Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 9 minutes ago, GordonC said: It looks pretty freshly painted here 8th September 1984 so also one of the earliest into Intercity Executive livery but that looks like cabside numbers to me. The Hornby catalogue pictures show the later version of the livery with White BR arrows rather than black cabside. It might have been 1987 before it got white arrows, haven't found a reliable picture otherwise but it still had cabside numbers then. The model has all the TDM clobber on the front anyways. But looking at that Instagram link I shared the model does have numbers. Just the mystery of the black door(s) on 87006 to solve! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike at C&M Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Widnes Model Centre said: I have just spoken to someone who has Glasgow and Birmingham in his shop. He confirms that both models are exactly as they ran. He has personal knowledge of both locos. Confirming that cab side numbers never appeared on City of Birmingham Slight confusion here. it is "City of Glasgow" that does not have the cabside numbers - the numbers are in large case on the inside of the cab doors. "City of Birmingham" has cabside numbers in the usual place under the cab window 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 30 minutes ago, cairnsroadworks said: The model has all the TDM clobber on the front anyways. But looking at that Instagram link I shared the model does have numbers. Just the mystery of the black door(s) on 87006 to solve! The TDM cables will date it to be early 1987 onwards 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR(S) Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 5 hours ago, GordonC said: Is that not still the catalogue pictures? Whatever they were, they seem to have removed them now . . . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Patriot87003 Posted March 23, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 23, 2023 (edited) My birthday pressies from 2021 have finally arrived! 😁 Thankfully on a day when I was able to get home early from a work meeting … just unboxed and tested each 87 and each are very smooth runners. The quality of the printed and etched nameplates seems to have improved as well compared to previous releases, while no obvious QC issues to report so far. A few pics … I couldn’t resist hooking the Intercity Exec liveried versions to the steel coil rake … over 10,000hp of power! I’ll probably keep one of them as 87009 City of Birmingham while renumbering and renaming the other … Edited March 23, 2023 by Patriot87003 Deleted a blurry pic 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 97406 Posted March 23, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 23, 2023 14 minutes ago, Patriot87003 said: My birthday pressies from 2021 have finally arrived! 😁 Thankfully on a day when I was able to get home early from a work meeting … just unboxed and tested each 87 and each are very smooth runners. The quality of the printed and etched nameplates seems to have improved as well compared to previous releases, while no obvious QC issues to report so far. A few pics … I couldn’t resist hooking the Intercity Exec liveried versions to the steel coil rake … over 10,000hp of power! I’ll probably keep one of them as 87009 City of Birmingham while renumbering and renaming the other … They look fab and a in a great setting too! Mine's a little behind schedule, but it's in the paint shop now. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR(S) Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 If any more pictures are needed, they're now on the Kernow pages: https://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/p/69837/R30031-Hornby-Class-87-Electric-Locomotive-number-87-009 https://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/p/69836/R30030-Hornby-Class-87-Electric-Locomotive-number-87-006 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted March 23, 2023 Author Share Posted March 23, 2023 Mine arrived and they are lovely but alss ones had an impact so has to go back. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted March 25, 2023 Author Share Posted March 25, 2023 Further feedback. Before I sent it back to KMRC the lower colour of executive light grey on 87 009 is really good to my eyes in the flesh. In the catalogue it looks more like their old almost yellowie colour so no concerns there and I am totally happy with the livery for 87006 - the black vs grey argument will probably rumble on but to me from all the images I have seen Hornby have got it right ( I wonder what the artwork revision was that delayed the decorated sample being shown at the same time as 87009? - we maynever know but I might ask Simon at the next show just out of interest). Not sure yet if the model has cab lights in Night mode as I have only run 87006 in on DC but again I think Hornby have got the LED colour bang on too - very in line with the period so more warmish white. Moving onto decoder space....reading both the new pamplet vs the original one that came with the first 2 models there is a relocation of the socket for these 21 pin versions. the loco drawing shows loads of space under the PCB for a decoder and this is where it lives on the new version so quite why they didnt use this space from the first model onwards is utterly beyond me having heard many people struggle to get bodies back on with the decoder fitted on top of the PCB. I havent removed the body yet for a closer look........ 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cairnsroadworks Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 2 hours ago, ThaneofFife said: Further feedback. Before I sent it back to KMRC the lower colour of executive light grey on 87 009 is really good to my eyes in the flesh. In the catalogue it looks more like their old almost yellowie colour so no concerns there and I am totally happy with the livery for 87006 - the black vs grey argument will probably rumble on but to me from all the images I have seen Hornby have got it right ( I wonder what the artwork revision was that delayed the decorated sample being shown at the same time as 87009? - we maynever know but I might ask Simon at the next show just out of interest). Not sure yet if the model has cab lights in Night mode as I have only run 87006 in on DC but again I think Hornby have got the LED colour bang on too - very in line with the period so more warmish white. Moving onto decoder space....reading both the new pamplet vs the original one that came with the first 2 models there is a relocation of the socket for these 21 pin versions. the loco drawing shows loads of space under the PCB for a decoder and this is where it lives on the new version so quite why they didnt use this space from the first model onwards is utterly beyond me having heard many people struggle to get bodies back on with the decoder fitted on top of the PCB. I havent removed the body yet for a closer look........ Interesting stuff. Hard to tell from pics of the model re the doors as on some they don’t look black 🤣 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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