vitalspark Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 ... I thought they made a scan of this model though dimension wise it looks the same as the earlier one. Which would suggest the original was more or less spot on. On the quality issues with the mail order locos did anyone have problems with locos supplied direct from Hornby? It sounded like all the ones mentioned had come via retailers or is this just coincidence? Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Rowsley17D Posted December 5, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 5, 2017 Olivia's have 25% off Duchesses in their Advent sale for those who are already customers including Duchess of Athol at about £143 their full price £190. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black 5 Bear Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 My first order came direct from Hornby, on it's first run the valve gear disintegrated, which calls into question any form of factory QC. Fortunately I was able to source a replacement as it's a lovely looking loco. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 On the quality issues with the mail order locos did anyone have problems with locos supplied direct from Hornby? It sounded like all the ones mentioned had come via retailers or is this just coincidence? Our sample was direct from Hornby and exhibited a few problems. https://youtube.com/watch?v=mjD78f2GMO0"]https://youtube.com/watch?v=mjD78f2GMO0 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted December 5, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 5, 2017 Our sample was direct from Hornby and exhibited a few problems. https://youtube.com/watch?v=mjD78f2GMO0"]https://youtube.com/watch?v=mjD78f2GMO0 Again a very useful review. Just been rechecking my second example which was bought after an inspection and test run at Hereford Model Centre. Mine is a smooth starter on DC. The same left hand rear driver has the slightest concentricity, I dont know if I would have noticed had it not been on the rolling road. I have yet to fit DCC so can't test on the layout yet. I've got to say I am nervous handling the model knowing that the first example I had arrived with the body lug broken. The loco is heavy and that lug is holding a lot of weight - I do think this would be better with the lug made of metal locating into a pocket on the plastic body. Likewise there is no need for the tender to be an interference fit to the chassis - why not have screws at each end so the body can be simply lifted off? The tender coupling not fitting in the shorter setting is an easy fix but frustrating in a top notch model that isnt cheap. So much care has clearly gone into getting the detail and livery correct its almost as if there was then sudden pressure to get the model on sale before 'snagging' was complete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vitalspark Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 I should count myself lucky then as I naively opened mine direct from Hornby rightly expecting to find everything pristine and in working order..it was! I suppose it makes up for the two Black 5s that destroyed their valve gear and continue to try my patience. Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Sidelines Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Hello Mike I thought the same - I was clutching at straws that it might be the easier of the two solutions. Thanks for sharing your findings - most helpful. If you read the alternate thread you will see that the water scoop was missing from the Duchess and that within 24 hours 'Locomotion' have provided a replacement engine. Well done 'Locomotion'. Before you ask - yes I have stood it on a glass plate! For all practical purposes all the wheels sit in contact with the plate - and it runs quite nicely! Ray 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiftbeam Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 That guy on the video has NO idea how to handle or work on a model !!!! I spent most of the time cringing watching this video as he dropped and graunched the model !!! I'm sure the info given is fine, but what a butcher :-0 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 That guy on the video has NO idea how to handle or work on a model !!!! I spent most of the time cringing watching this video as he dropped and graunched the model !!! I'm sure the info given is fine, but what a butcher :-0 Oh dear.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 That guy on the video has NO idea how to handle or work on a model !!!! I spent most of the time cringing watching this video as he dropped and graunched the model !!! I'm sure the info given is fine, but what a butcher :-0 Dropped it? When? You're talking out of your hat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiftbeam Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) He dropped it at 5.06 on the pliers !! Not only that, what about the 'grabbing' and pulling of the plug with pliers (4.35) or the wrenching of the tender body with screwdriver ? There is a tool for getting the plug out part number X6468 ! Edited December 6, 2017 by swiftbeam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted December 6, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 6, 2017 "Love-fifteen Mr. McEnroe to serve". Call "Out".Loud cry of "You cannot be......etc......etc..... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Brit70053 Posted December 6, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 6, 2017 You'd normally call for the Tournament Referee at this juncture, but....Oh! He IS the Tournament Referee Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) Lest we forget.........Hornby is a well-known toy manufacturer in the public's eyes and their locos are expected to be handled by children above a certain age. Whether that age has been raised to 40 or not I dont know, nevertheless, something appears to be knocking the legs from under the players even before they touch them. Edited December 6, 2017 by coachmann Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 He dropped it at 5.06 on the ...... . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 Dropped it? When? You're talking out of your hat. I find myself (surprisingly) in agreement with 'swiftbeam' - I too winced through most of the video. SWS is a piece of precision engineering - not a back street banger ! That levering of the tender body with a screwdriver should be reported to the RSPCML (Model Locomotives)! Regards, John Isherwood. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted December 6, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 6, 2017 At least we did not have o watch him describe and open the box. Perhaps he ripped it open (just joking) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 That levering of the tender body with a screwdriver should be reported to the RSPCML (Model Locomotives)! Maybe I should have let you suffer with 5 minutes of pussyfooting around trying to do it gently like I did first time around. Trust me, I went to the brute force solution in the video to show how hard it was to get into it - completely unnecessary considering how many people would want to get in there to fit a decoder. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leavesontheline Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Our sample was direct from Hornby and exhibited a few problems. https://youtube.com/watch?v=mjD78f2GMO0"]https://youtube.com/watch?v=mjD78f2GMO0 My only thought after watching the video - that is either a secret 'N'-gauge version of the model or our "mystery reviewer" has got 'O'-gauge hands Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spannerman Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 My only thought after watching the video - that is either a secret 'N'-gauge version of the model or our "mystery reviewer" has got 'O'-gauge hands You know what they say about men with big hands ............... big gloves Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 I expect folk are used to naive box opening videos that tell us more about fanboy than model. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted December 7, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 7, 2017 Not a fan of box opening , you just feel like saying oh just get on with it. But I wouldn't be so dismissive of these videos. They do tend to show up any issues in running . Have a look at YouTube on Hornbys latest 14xx for instance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted December 7, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 7, 2017 Dropped it? When? You're talking out of your hat. At 5:06 the tender falls about 1/4" on to the work surface as the screw holding the loco-tender link finally is unscrewed. I don't think that is quite the same as "dropping" it though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Sidelines Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 I don't recall any comment about the whistle being at a jaunty angle - perhaps that occurred when it 'dropped'. I have to say I take exception to all the screws being left around the model - they should be undone and immediately put to one side so as not scuff the paintwork. Ray Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Well Gents, we await your video reviews to show us how it should be done. They will be flawless we know. Somebody has gone to the trouble of taking the model apart, highlighting some of the difficulties and identifying an issue or two and people can only bitch that it was ‘dropped’ and are outraged that screws were left around! Special tools indeed, I’ve been pulling those plugs off with sharp nosed pliers for years without problems. Andy, thanks. It was an interesting review and the identification of the tender body removal issue in particular will be useful when I’m prising it off. Otherwise I’d have been wondering had I missed a hidden screw or something. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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