RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted January 16, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 16, 2017 Bottas as a stop gap until Vettle joins them next year. If Bottas does well, they'll probably stick with him, I think Vettel may already be past his peak but unless he gets into a more competitive car, we won't know for certain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edge Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Vettel and Mercedes - I just don't see it. Although he hasn't got the push this year Werhlein is their guy, with Ocon just behind him int he pecking order. You've got to think that they will make bid for Verstappen or Ricciardo at some point as well 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Storey Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Has the music stopped yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium skipepsi Posted January 16, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 16, 2017 Has the music stopped yet? Does the music ever stop? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Storey Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 In other news, an offer has been made to buy Manor and its parent operating companies Autosport seems to have the coup, but no name http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127754 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) Autosport seems to have the coup, but no name http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127754 Sounds like a Big Ron job to me, with Jenson as No 1 Driver, hahhaha EDIT = To say, it cant be any worse than the McLaren over the last 2 Seasons. Edited January 17, 2017 by Andrew P 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 You're comparing Sir Frank (the longest-living paraplegic, knighted for services etc., winner of nine World Constructors' Championships and over 100 GPs) to Davros? Nice. Sorry if you don't like it, but it is the nickname in common currency. It's a man's world, motor sport... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiffy2 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Sorry if you don't like it, but it is the nickname in common currency. It's a man's world, motor sport... Is it really? Have you told Claire Williams? I thought those sorts of attitudes died out 20 years ago. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edge Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Oddly enough I can see Sir Frank himself having a wry chuckle at the nickname. That doesn't mean it's okay for us to use it though... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Storey Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Is it really? Have you told Claire Williams? I thought those sorts of attitudes died out 20 years ago. I got into enough trouble from a particularly sensitive member of this forum over the use of a very commonly used phrase about a particular segment of society, popularised by Terry Wogan no less, so I am all too aware of the difficulty in using such jocular references on here. However......my wife is in a wheelchair. She has MS, but still retains almost all her mental faculties. We share the most amusing but conventionally insulting phrases concerning her plight. That is why I married her in the first place. She asks for her go-kart, she demands that I remember to put her cripple badge on the dash, and she takes the mickey out of other physically disabled people who pile on the grief. The very worst thing you can do with many people in that situation is to ignore them, or to pretend there is no issue. Humour has proven, for us anyway, and I mean us, not just me or not just her, or even the many people around us, to be, by far, the most reassuring and long-lasting solution to getting through her situation. Those "attitudes" to which you refer, where the handicapped were regarded as some inferior species, is not what "Davros", is about. Those "attitudes" were and are despicable, but I think, bar some particularly Neanderthal folk, largely gone. It is not PC, quite true. But it is what really happens in our world, and it works. Frank would almost certainly chuckle, and would welcome the accolade (if he ever watched Dr Who) and so would his daughter I very much suspect. Those who choose to wallow in their situation and expect others around them to do the same, are perfectly entitled to do so of course, but don't expect us all to be like that. Whether we should share our nicknames and general levity about it, on here, at the danger of offending others, even those who have no idea of what being or living with disability involves, is a point that is perfectly capable of discussion. But I do get tired of the Mary Whitehouse faction sometimes. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edge Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 I do take your point, and I hope that my comment didnt seemt o overly critical. Perhaps I would better express myself by saying that I consider such nicknames to be most appropriate between friends and family. I certainly don't know Sir Frank personally so I would personally feel uncomfortable calling him 'Davros' even in jest. If I did know him and knew that he would find it funny then I would be only too happy (I always ebjoy having a laugh). I too have lived with someone who was wheelchair bound and she showed no end of humour about the situation. Anyway, off topic here, lets talk about racing cars some more... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) ... I think Vettel may already be past his peak but unless he gets into a more competitive car, we won't know for certain. Was Hammy past his peak when he failed to win all those world championships after his first? Not a bit of it, and neither is Vettel. ...I thought those sorts of attitudes died out 20 years ago. To be really frank, that's ageist! I mix with the survivors of my parent's generation, now 90+ and may assure you the 'attitudes' of these people are just what you might expect from people some of whom were racing cars before the war, had mates killed and injured in sport and combat, and kept a stiff upper lip throughout. Edited January 17, 2017 by 34theletterbetweenB&D 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 81C Posted January 17, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 17, 2017 Or our Eddie, he's bound to have a comment when the season starts. His mouth is like a sewer outlet he can spout carp all day long. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 17, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 17, 2017 I got into enough trouble from a particularly sensitive member of this forum over the use of a very commonly used phrase about a particular segment of society, popularised by Terry Wogan no less, so I am all too aware of the difficulty in using such jocular references on here. However......my wife is in a wheelchair. She has MS, but still retains almost all her mental faculties. We share the most amusing but conventionally insulting phrases concerning her plight. That is why I married her in the first place. She asks for her go-kart, she demands that I remember to put her cripple badge on the dash, and she takes the mickey out of other physically disabled people who pile on the grief. The very worst thing you can do with many people in that situation is to ignore them, or to pretend there is no issue. Humour has proven, for us anyway, and I mean us, not just me or not just her, or even the many people around us, to be, by far, the most reassuring and long-lasting solution to getting through her situation. Those "attitudes" to which you refer, where the handicapped were regarded as some inferior species, is not what "Davros", is about. Those "attitudes" were and are despicable, but I think, bar some particularly Neanderthal folk, largely gone. It is not PC, quite true. But it is what really happens in our world, and it works. Frank would almost certainly chuckle, and would welcome the accolade (if he ever watched Dr Who) and so would his daughter I very much suspect. Those who choose to wallow in their situation and expect others around them to do the same, are perfectly entitled to do so of course, but don't expect us all to be like that. Whether we should share our nicknames and general levity about it, on here, at the danger of offending others, even those who have no idea of what being or living with disability involves, is a point that is perfectly capable of discussion. But I do get tired of the Mary Whitehouse faction sometimes. And just to make clear why I ticked 'Like' it was all about your attitude and carrying on life in the face of what many could regard only as terrible adversity or something to pity or make them look the other way. Lovely to see such a grown-up attitude but every sympathy, in a heartfelt sense, for what your wife (and you) has to deal with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiffy2 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Was Hammy past his peak when he failed to win all those world championships after his first? Not a bit of it, and neither is Vettel. To be really frank, that's ageist! I mix with the survivors of my parent's generation, now 90+ and may assure you the 'attitudes' of these people are just what you might expect from people some of whom were racing cars before the war, had mates killed and injured in sport and combat, and kept a stiff upper lip throughout. Ageist? What strange planet have I landed on... 'Non-PC' usually equals 'rude and proud of it'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiffy2 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Ageist? What strange planet have I landed on... 'Non-PC' usually equals 'rude and proud of it'. Glad you found humour where none was intended... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Radford Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 The BBC are reporting that Bernie will be gone sometime this week.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 23, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 23, 2017 The BBC are reporting that Bernie will be gone sometime this week.... As did one of yesterday's 'papers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiffy2 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 It's been on the specialist press for a few days. I think most people are just waiting to see if it's true. This time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 4630 Posted January 23, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 23, 2017 Some more about Bernie's departure now; http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/38723001 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Storey Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Some more about Bernie's departure now; http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/38723001 So we wait until Tuesday's Liberty announcement for confirmation. It is good to see Ross Brawn appears to be returning, and this time in charge of the side of things most of us are interested in. This may help counteract our fear of the even greater commercialisation of F1 (not sure how that is possible....) by the new owners. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted January 23, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 23, 2017 Ecclestone said earlier on Monday that he had been "forced out". Aww diddums Bernie. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium amwells Posted January 24, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 24, 2017 He may not have got everything right, in fact he may have got a lot of things wrong in the pursuit of money, but F1 is as big as it is today because of what Bernie has done and he will leave a good 'base' from which the new owners can evolve. I went to my first GP for a few years in Abu Dhabi last year and have to say it was excellent. Addressing the list of matters highlighted by the new owners can only make it even better! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted January 24, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 24, 2017 Regrettably it is the Abu Dhabis of the calendar that threaten the trad venues, by cheerfully paying top dollar that the Hockenheims of this world struggle to raise. Prima facie Liberty seem to acknowledge that, so maybe things will improve. I believe Singapore has already talked of chucking in the towel. Good. I wouldn't miss Silverstone, reportedly at risk from 2019, but hardly expect much support for that view here! Spa remains my favourite, and that seems more secure than at some times in recent years, at least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iak Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Napoleon has met his Waterloo. Sad but inevitable, he just never understand that behaving like an ogre would eventually lead to his demise. Strong management is one thing, behaving like a wee Cesare is another... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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