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[Barclay]

On 20/02/2022 at 03:52, locomad2 said:

 

I couldn't find it either prehaps pre 2010, so I've taken apart the one I've done,

 

Body - 2 large lugs which hold the dinky push along chassis, drill out the rivets to remove the chassis, file or cut away front lug  and thread the rear lug, you might to remove or file a small amount off

 

 

Looks like I added a few lead plate weights.

 

Chassis I've used a Hornby 0-4-0 chassis produced in the 1980's, looks like I removed something at the rear and fitted a bolt which fits into the body

 

The front held on by a push fit of the cylinders looks like I filed a small amount off the chassis

 

Kept the original coupling hope this helps

A couple of weeks ago I rescued my old Dinky example from my Mum's loft (my old railway room!). Realised that as a teenager trying to remove that cast lug I had created a hole in the boiler too. Spent a happy afternoon filling it and rubbing it down but no idea what I'm going to do with it now!

[LNWR18901910]

I've been on a bit of a Pugbasher lately as well as focusing on my Postmodern Pre-Grouping project. Seeing as I discovered a way to create SECR coaches using Hornby's old Four Wheel Coaches, I thought about adding an SECR-liveried Hornby 0-4-0 made using one of their modern ones:

So, here are some planning stages as I was inspired by the SECR H, R1 and P Classes to create a freelance SECR tank engine to compliment the coaches I made. I may be an LNWR and Midland fan, but I do have the soft spot for the SECR, LSWR, LB&SCR, NER, S&DJR and the GWR particularly the Dean and Churchward stuff. Anyone like the idea?

[33C]

1 hour ago, LNWR18901910 said:

I've been on a bit of a Pugbasher lately as well as focusing on my Postmodern Pre-Grouping project. Seeing as I discovered a way to create SECR coaches using Hornby's old Four Wheel Coaches, I thought about adding an SECR-liveried Hornby 0-4-0 made using one of their modern ones:

So, here are some planning stages as I was inspired by the SECR H, R1 and P Classes to create a freelance SECR tank engine to compliment the coaches I made. I may be an LNWR and Midland fan, but I do have the soft spot for the SECR, LSWR, LB&SCR, NER, S&DJR and the GWR particularly the Dean and Churchward stuff. Anyone like the idea?

Cut the whole bunker off, lose the front part of the splashers and square up the tanks. Get the dome moved back and shorten the front overhang. Bingo! N.E.R. Y7..ish....Personally, i'd lose that body and use the chassis under something less Thomas-y! Or, cut the bunker off down to the buffer beam, add pivot point and attach a coach (that has only one bogie) to get a Steam Railcar.....

[LNWR18901910]

18 minutes ago, 33C said:

Cut the whole bunker off, lose the front part of the splashers and square up the tanks. Get the dome moved back and shorten the front overhang. Bingo! N.E.R. Y7..ish....Personally, i'd lose that body and use the chassis under something less Thomas-y! Or, cut the bunker off down to the buffer beam, add pivot point and attach a coach (that has only one bogie) to get a Steam Railcar.....

I appreciate your suggestions, but I was intending to cut off the extended side tanks, fill in the extra cab window, level off the front to resemble the back, stylise the bunker and tanks and attach a Ramsbottom safety valve and whistle on the cab roof.

[alastairq]

What about shortening the smokebox a bit?

Maybe reducing the front footplate length as well.a bit?

[In addition to other suggestions.]

[TurboSnail]

A Fireless pugbash (apologies to those who've already seen this elsewhere) - bashed from a Lilliput loco with significant changes to the body and chassis, and a new cab, inspired by the Hawthorne ones. All done cheaply with plasticard and bits from the spares box, the only thing I had to buy specially was the replacement wheels. Still missing a few details but good enough for now to start getting some use on the layout.

 

I'm calling it a pugbash, as the donor locos can be picked up for around £35 these days, so it's not a high budget model!

 

Now to decide what to do with the other one...

 

[mpeffers]

On 01/03/2022 at 13:39, TurboSnail said:

...the donor locos can be picked up for around £35 these days, so it's not a high budget model!

Do you mind me asking where? Really enjoyed your build in the Pre-Grouping section and it did get me thinking about a project or two I could attempt with them, but searches so far for the base model have returned only a few models at mostly well over £100 a piece. This could be down to my grasp of the prototype/German industrial rail terms, though.

[TurboSnail]

31 minutes ago, mpeffers said:

Do you mind me asking where? 

 

eBay - I had a saved search on there and these turned up after a few months wait. If you're prepared to translate "fireless" into German and search ebay.de, you might come across something sooner.

 

I've seen quite a few go for under £40, so the joker selling them for £150 on there is being optimistic... or maybe I'm the fool for making models out of them and not flogging them for vast profits 

 

EDIT: for those interested in the build process, it's linked here: 

 

Edited March 3, 2022 by TurboSnail

[33C]

Well, i started this in anticipation of the competition! Metropolitan B class 4-4-0. Again, Hornby Holden Tank based, of which,not much remains! Hope you like it... 

Changed the wheels for Triang, solid back, Princess wheels with the flanges reduced so can use the original pick-ups, ground away the motor to accept the larger diameter rims. Offered up the plan to get a feel for what goes where and what comes off! New boiler tube (from cake supports!) and sprue and balsa details. Cylinders mounted to accept the shortened rods. Then a "rivetting" evening. Found some brass and white-metal buffers. An original Rovex bogie with B12 bogie wheels fits admirably, secured with a self-tapper into a balsa block under. Then painted Humbrol Satin Red enamel with cream lining with black sharpie inner band. Cooker wire copper piping and piano wire compounding control rods. Hand drawn crests. Finishing touch, a crew and interchangeable destination boards!  

Edited April 8, 2022 by 33C
added detail

[LNWR18901910]

So, here's work on the SECR tank engine so far:

This is what it started out as (being a rebrand of the old 0-4-0 Thomas model).

At the time of writing this post, the coal bunker was modified and the loco was given a smooth file-down on the milliput areas. The SECR H Class and R1 Class tank engines did serve as inspirational influences on me. There were a couple of holes made in both sides as for when the time comes to cut off the extended side-tanks and make new boiler-sides and splasher tops. And as another finishing time, it will have hand-rails added into the boiler and smokebox yet they will be simply made using fine styrene rods and added on as if they were moulded on for that Triang-Hornby feel to them.

[SteelAndSoot]

14 hours ago, 33C said:

Well, i started this in anticipation of the competition! Metropolitan A class 4-4-0. Again, Hornby Holden Tank based, of which,not much remains! Hope you like it... 

Changed the wheels for Triang, solid back, Princess wheels with the flanges reduced so can use the original pick-ups, ground away the motor to accept the larger diameter rims. Offered up the plan to get a feel for what goes where and what comes off! New boiler tube (from cake supports!) and sprue and balsa details. Cylinders mounted to accept the shortened rods. Then a "rivetting" evening. Found some brass and white-metal buffers. An original Rovex bogie with B12 bogie wheels fits admirably, secured with a self-tapper into a balsa block under. Then painted Humbrol Satin Red enamel with cream lining with black sharpie inner band. Cooker wire copper piping and piano wire compounding control rods. Hand drawn crests. Finishing touch, a crew and interchangeable destination boards!  

very nice. do you mind if I use this same method of making the chassis for my own Metropolitan build?

[SteelAndSoot]

A bit of a stretch, but I used the cut in half buffers from a pug to form the tool boxes on my NZ64 (1:64) Jigger

 

 

Wickham trolley chassis also used

[33C]

On 17/03/2022 at 09:01, SteelAndSoot said:

very nice. do you mind if I use this same method of making the chassis for my own Metropolitan build?

Not at all! 

Edited April 9, 2022 by 33C
added detail

[RJS1977]

18 hours ago, 33C said:

Well, i started this in anticipation of the competition! Metropolitan A class 4-4-0. Again, Hornby Holden Tank based, of which,not much remains! Hope you like it... 

Changed the wheels for Triang, solid back, Princess wheels with the flanges reduced so can use the original pick-ups, ground away the motor to accept the larger diameter rims. Offered up the plan to get a feel for what goes where and what comes off! New boiler tube (from cake supports!) and sprue and balsa details. Cylinders mounted to accept the shortened rods. Then a "rivetting" evening. Found some brass and white-metal buffers. An original Rovex bogie with B12 bogie wheels fits admirably, secured with a self-tapper into a balsa block under. Then painted Humbrol Satin Red enamel with cream lining with black sharpie inner band. Cooker wire copper piping and piano wire compounding control rods. Hand drawn crests. Finishing touch, a crew and interchangeable destination boards!  

 

Very nice and to look at it it's impossible to see its origins.

 

However, I would suggest printing off the destination boards rather than writing them out by hand.

[John Besley]

Has the competition started?..... Haven't seen any notes about it...

[33C]

20 minutes ago, John Besley said:

Has the competition started?..... Haven't seen any notes about it...

No, I think it's died a death. Covid etc. Plus, I've got a few other projects cluttering up the workbench.  Unless we can backdate our entries........

[Corbs]

It hasn't died, I have just been swamped with work. I was talking to some people about promotion and helping with the voting mechanic but it's gone quiet as I think they are overworked too. I am planning to take some time off at Easter so hopefully I can get it moving then.

 

Sorry it is taking so long.

Edited March 18, 2022 by Corbs

[Ruston]

My ultimate pugbash so far. It's not quite finished yet but it's gone from this out-of-the-box Hattons 0-4-0ST Barclay.

To this Grant,Ritchie & Co. 0-4-2ST

[RedGemAlchemist]

22 minutes ago, Ruston said:

My ultimate pugbash so far. It's not quite finished yet but it's gone from this out-of-the-box Hattons 0-4-0ST Barclay.

To this Grant,Ritchie & Co. 0-4-2ST

Wow. Fantastic work Ruston!

[RJS1977]

Great work, thanks for sharing and good to see.

 

However I do wonder whether adaptation of the current breed of highly-detailed £100 models falls within the remit of "Pugbash" etc.

Traditionally a "Pugbash" has been an exercise in budget modelling, using items from the cheaper/"toy" end of the range. Maybe the OP could clarify for the purposes of this thread?

[Corbs]

Cost is relative to the modeller, as are definitions of cheap and expensive. My view is that the important thing is the 'spirit of pugbashing' is kept alive.

At the same time, Andrew Barclays (and other small shunting engines) are often referred to as 'Pugs'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pug_(steam_locomotive)

[Edwardian]

I foolishly posted this in the Hornby section, then immediately realised this was a question best addressed to this topic.

 

I read somewhere that latterly Hornby tamed it's Pocket Rocket motor, perhaps re-geared it, I don't know.

 

Assuming that's true, can anyone please help me to identify the products that have the improved control and slower running?

 

I'm interested in the inside cylinder 0-4-0 version, as fitted to this type:

 

Thanks in advance

 

[brumtb]

On 19/05/2022 at 20:52, Edwardian said:

I foolishly posted this in the Hornby section, then immediately realised this was a question best addressed to this topic.

 

I read somewhere that latterly Hornby tamed it's Pocket Rocket motor, perhaps re-geared it, I don't know.

 

Assuming that's true, can anyone please help me to identify the products that have the improved control and slower running?

 

I'm interested in the inside cylinder 0-4-0 version, as fitted to this type:

 

Thanks in advance

 

I'd like to know that as well!

 

Tony

 

[Edwardian]

10 minutes ago, brumtb said:

I'd like to know that as well!

 

Tony

 

 

Well, we seem to have no takers.

 

Online I have read reports of people getting good slow running, but there is no way to judge how slow or, if there has been a change, or, of so, when it was applied by Hornby.  The chassis pictures I've found all seem to show the standard motor mounting position with the single gear (the gearing seeming to be the original problem). 

 

One comment I read was that the Bill and Ben chassis was the only one tamed by Hornby.  I have a dim recollection of a similar claim in relation to the o/s cylinder 'Smokey Joe'.

 

I am, however, finding it hard to unearth anything sufficiently detailed, specific, concrete or reliable. 

 

Perhaps in true forum fashion, I should have made a bold and unsupported assertion one way or the other, relying on the inability of some to resist posting a correction!

 

I just wondered if anyone actually knew, of had experience of chassis of this type of recent manufacture? 

[33C]

Finer worm and more teeth on the drive gear, I think would give more controllable performance. Maybe these are available as spare parts and then swap 'em over!