Show us your Pugbashes, Nellieboshes, Desmondifications, Jintysteins

[009 micro modeller]

On 23/12/2021 at 18:21, Dunsignalling said:

the R number

Is this to try and lessen the spread of Smokey Joes?

[Barclay]

On 24/12/2021 at 20:08, John Besley said:

Does anyone have a scale drawing of a Caley Pug please they could scan in here

There's a drawing of the very similar North British version in October '67 Model Railway News. I wouldn't put it on here for copyright reasons but am happy to PM you a scan. Be aware that the Hornby loco is dimensionally 'challenged' compared to the real thing though !

[TangoOscarMike]

Shipmates!

 

Somebody contacted me via Shapeways to ask for dimensions of the Holden/Pug. I produced this diagram, which is the running plate that forms the basis of all my 3D printed locomotive bodies.

 

This was the result of quite a bit of trial and error, and my record keeping was not all that great, so I can't guarantee the accuracy and I'm not sure that all the fiddly little cutouts are really necessary. But maybe some of you will find it useful.

 

I suggest you start with a piece of cereal box, rather than commissioning tooling for industrial scale injection moulding on the strength of this doodle alone!

 

Dimensions are in millimetres, and my running plates are 1mm thick.

 

Edited July 26, 2023 by TangoOscarMike
Restoring pictures

[Steamport Southport]

23 hours ago, Barclay said:

There's a drawing of the very similar North British version in October '67 Model Railway News. I wouldn't put it on here for copyright reasons but am happy to PM you a scan. Be aware that the Hornby loco is dimensionally 'challenged' compared to the real thing though !

 

ISTR there was about 8mm added to the length of the tank and you need a smaller diameter firebox as it was enlarged to fit the motor.

 

That's not including any alterations needed to the running plate length.

 

 

Jason

[robert17649]

I believe that to be correct the footplate will accept a terrier chassis with little fettling so  as an0-4-0 I suspect it will ned a bit of a haircut!

 

Happy new year

 

[firefly9]

My Nellie /Electrotren 0-4-0 chassis combination 

[John Besley]

Another request, I noticed that some of the Hornby caley pug boxes appear to have a decent side elevation drawing on them....

 

Does anyone have one they could scan and send on as I want to see how this works out one or two ideas I have...

[cypherman]

On 27/12/2021 at 17:46, firefly9 said:

My Nellie /Electrotren 0-4-0 chassis combination 

Hi,

That Electron 0-4-0 chassis would look great on the Pug.

[firefly9]

Also got this i need to finish. 

[Sandhole]

18 hours ago, firefly9 said:

Also got this i need to finish. 

I think that has a Yorkshire Engine Company heavy saddle tank vibe.
Nice.
Chris.

[Ben B]

I've developed a bit of a habit for collecting starter locomotives for an under-construction layout, and had been out looking for chopping-fodder for a rebuild.  There's a second-hand shop in Bridgenorth that has quite a bit of old Hornby and Triang in their cabinets, and I went looking for a Smokey Joe or an 06; but then spotted this lovely;

 

 

It was tucked in amongst the various other starter models, but as soon as I saw it, I knew I had to have it.  Triang-Hornby looking for the international sales market with a generic foreign-outline loco, which could plausibly be European or North American.  Probably better known as the clockwork version that managed to survive in the Hornby catalogue until the mid-1990's (check out the blanked-out keyhole in the side tank!)

 

 

It sits on the older style chassis by the looks of it, as found under the Nellie/Pollie/Connie tanks.  I had planned to do a rebuild/detailing or at least a repaint on this, but... apart from a bit of tarnish on the motion, it's in pretty much mint condition.

 

 

£15.  It's an absolute beauty (alright, that's in the eye of the beholder) but I'm going to have to acquire a more battered example to modify, as this is staying as-is.

 

On a similar note... check these out;

 

 

 

I've bought several Lima starter locomotives over the last couple of years, generally the vaguely BR80-looking tank engine, but then I spotted one of these on eBay paired up with the bonkers Playcraft clockwork class 22.  I missed getting it, but then hunting around online I found some sets.

 

 

Now I own a Lima 0 gauge 4F, but I had no idea they did a 00 battery starter locomotive.

 

 

What's interesting is that these sets were picked up from Italian eBay, and seem to have been made for the European market, but with all British stock.

 

 

I'd thought I'd try detailing up the bodies, at least adding spectacle plates and such, to which end I bought three sets, and was amazed when they arrived that they're all in mint condition.  These locomotives are, again, just so characterful, so again, there's no way these are getting the rebuild treatment.  I'd love more information on these Lima sets... I'm a member of the Train Collectors Society, so might have to do some digging.

 

 

[ianmacc]

25 minutes ago, Ben B said:

I've developed a bit of a habit for collecting starter locomotives for an under-construction layout, and had been out looking for chopping-fodder for a rebuild.  There's a second-hand shop in Bridgenorth that has quite a bit of old Hornby and Triang in their cabinets, and I went looking for a Smokey Joe or an 06; but then spotted this lovely;

 

 

It was tucked in amongst the various other starter models, but as soon as I saw it, I knew I had to have it.  Triang-Hornby looking for the international sales market with a generic foreign-outline loco, which could plausibly be European or North American.  Probably better known as the clockwork version that managed to survive in the Hornby catalogue until the mid-1990's (check out the blanked-out keyhole in the side tank!)

 

 

It sits on the older style chassis by the looks of it, as found under the Nellie/Pollie/Connie tanks.  I had planned to do a rebuild/detailing or at least a repaint on this, but... apart from a bit of tarnish on the motion, it's in pretty much mint condition.

 

 

£15.  It's an absolute beauty (alright, that's in the eye of the beholder) but I'm going to have to acquire a more battered example to modify, as this is staying as-is.

 

On a similar note... check these out;

 

 

 

I've bought several Lima starter locomotives over the last couple of years, generally the vaguely BR80-looking tank engine, but then I spotted one of these on eBay paired up with the bonkers Playcraft clockwork class 22.  I missed getting it, but then hunting around online I found some sets.

 

 

Now I own a Lima 0 gauge 4F, but I had no idea they did a 00 battery starter locomotive.

 

 

What's interesting is that these sets were picked up from Italian eBay, and seem to have been made for the European market, but with all British stock.

 

 

I'd thought I'd try detailing up the bodies, at least adding spectacle plates and such, to which end I bought three sets, and was amazed when they arrived that they're all in mint condition.  These locomotives are, again, just so characterful, so again, there's no way these are getting the rebuild treatment.  I'd love more information on these Lima sets... I'm a member of the Train Collectors Society, so might have to do some digging.

 

 

There’s a charm with all these starter sets and they would make a good collection in their own right.  I hadn’t seen that LNER J50 before and it’s bonkers that’s it’s been reliveried into European market finish! 

[33C]

1 hour ago, Ben B said:

I've developed a bit of a habit for collecting starter locomotives for an under-construction layout, and had been out looking for chopping-fodder for a rebuild.  There's a second-hand shop in Bridgenorth that has quite a bit of old Hornby and Triang in their cabinets, and I went looking for a Smokey Joe or an 06; but then spotted this lovely;

 

 

It was tucked in amongst the various other starter models, but as soon as I saw it, I knew I had to have it.  Triang-Hornby looking for the international sales market with a generic foreign-outline loco, which could plausibly be European or North American.  Probably better known as the clockwork version that managed to survive in the Hornby catalogue until the mid-1990's (check out the blanked-out keyhole in the side tank!)

 

 

It sits on the older style chassis by the looks of it, as found under the Nellie/Pollie/Connie tanks.  I had planned to do a rebuild/detailing or at least a repaint on this, but... apart from a bit of tarnish on the motion, it's in pretty much mint condition.

 

 

£15.  It's an absolute beauty (alright, that's in the eye of the beholder) but I'm going to have to acquire a more battered example to modify, as this is staying as-is.

 

On a similar note... check these out;

 

 

 

I've bought several Lima starter locomotives over the last couple of years, generally the vaguely BR80-looking tank engine, but then I spotted one of these on eBay paired up with the bonkers Playcraft clockwork class 22.  I missed getting it, but then hunting around online I found some sets.

 

 

Now I own a Lima 0 gauge 4F, but I had no idea they did a 00 battery starter locomotive.

 

 

What's interesting is that these sets were picked up from Italian eBay, and seem to have been made for the European market, but with all British stock.

 

 

I'd thought I'd try detailing up the bodies, at least adding spectacle plates and such, to which end I bought three sets, and was amazed when they arrived that they're all in mint condition.  These locomotives are, again, just so characterful, so again, there's no way these are getting the rebuild treatment.  I'd love more information on these Lima sets... I'm a member of the Train Collectors Society, so might have to do some digging.

 

 

With these loco's, all the hard work is done regarding outline and power! With a little detailing and maybe a repaint/weathering you can make it your own. And if you muck it up, so what, have another go. Dip and strip, stick and lick(of paint!)  Practice makes a slightly better loco!

[Steamport Southport]

2 hours ago, Ben B said:

I've developed a bit of a habit for collecting starter locomotives for an under-construction layout, and had been out looking for chopping-fodder for a rebuild.  There's a second-hand shop in Bridgenorth that has quite a bit of old Hornby and Triang in their cabinets, and I went looking for a Smokey Joe or an 06; but then spotted this lovely;

 

 

It was tucked in amongst the various other starter models, but as soon as I saw it, I knew I had to have it.  Triang-Hornby looking for the international sales market with a generic foreign-outline loco, which could plausibly be European or North American.  Probably better known as the clockwork version that managed to survive in the Hornby catalogue until the mid-1990's (check out the blanked-out keyhole in the side tank!)

 

 

It sits on the older style chassis by the looks of it, as found under the Nellie/Pollie/Connie tanks.  I had planned to do a rebuild/detailing or at least a repaint on this, but... apart from a bit of tarnish on the motion, it's in pretty much mint condition.

 

 

£15.  It's an absolute beauty (alright, that's in the eye of the beholder) but I'm going to have to acquire a more battered example to modify, as this is staying as-is.

 

 

Too right!

 

Plenty of old battered ones about. But very few excellent/mint examples. I would keep that myself.

 

ISTR that was the one that was in the sets and was quite rare even back in the day.

 

http://www.hornbyguide.com/item_year_details.asp?itemyearid=1179

 

 

Jason

[Moxy]

9 hours ago, Ben B said:

 

On a similar note... check these out;

 

 

 

I've bought several Lima starter locomotives over the last couple of years, generally the vaguely BR80-looking tank engine, but then I spotted one of these on eBay paired up with the bonkers Playcraft clockwork class 22.  I missed getting it, but then hunting around online I found some sets.

 

 

 

Now I own a Lima 0 gauge 4F, but I had no idea they did a 00 battery starter locomotive.

 

 

 

What's interesting is that these sets were picked up from Italian eBay, and seem to have been made for the European market, but with all British stock.

 

 

 

I'd thought I'd try detailing up the bodies, at least adding spectacle plates and such, to which end I bought three sets, and was amazed when they arrived that they're all in mint condition.  These locomotives are, again, just so characterful, so again, there's no way these are getting the rebuild treatment.  I'd love more information on these Lima sets... I'm a member of the Train Collectors Society, so might have to do some digging.

 

 

 

Fascinating stuff.  I have an interest in Lima British H0, and I know they put continental wagons into BR liveries, but I had no idea they put their British 00 stuff into European sets.

 

Link here to their British H0 range http://www.limabritishho.co.uk/LBHO-Home.htm

 

The J50 was supposed to be in H0, but by the time it came out, they had changed to 00 scale, and the rest is history.

[Barclay]

I recently found one of these (I think) whilst doing some work in my Mum's loft. I think I probably got it from a jumble sale as a child. It's a Dinky Toys loco from the late 30's, and has a 'push-along' chassis (the one below has been converted to a Hornby one). I now find myself wondering if I can do something with it... Either way, next time I'm over there, it's coming home with me!

 

 

[Northmoor]

51 minutes ago, Barclay said:

I recently found one of these (I think) whilst doing some work in my Mum's loft. I think I probably got it from a jumble sale as a child. It's a Dinky Toys loco from the late 30's, and has a 'push-along' chassis (the one below has been converted to a Hornby one). I now find myself wondering if I can do something with it... Either way, next time I'm over there, it's coming home with me!

 

 

Is that a Dinky toy or is it a Trix-Twin loco body on the Hornby "Desmond" chassis?

[Barclay]

2 minutes ago, Northmoor said:

Is that a Dinky toy or is it a Trix-Twin loco body on the Hornby "Desmond" chassis?

The original poster says it's a Dinky body, and certainly on a Hornby chassis, and I think it's the same as the one I have that is definitely Dinky.

[john new]

Also looks like my memory’s recollection of the 0-4-0 Hornby-Dublo introduced just before the company failed. Same moulding perhaps and released under both of Meccano’s brand names.

 

edit - a quick e-bay search for the HD starter set loco appears to confirm the above.

 

Edited January 7, 2022 by john new

[Barclay]

36 minutes ago, john new said:

Also looks like my memory’s recollection of the 0-4-0 Hornby-Dublo introduced just before the company failed. Same moulding perhaps and released under both of Meccano’s brand names.

 

edit - a quick e-bay search for the HD starter set loco appears to confirm the above.

 

Yes it looks like the same shell, albeit in plastic. After more research I think mine might be the later loco that Dinky made in the early 70's.

[BernardTPM]

That metal one looks like the Dinky that was in dark blue with 'G E R' on. It came with two metal wagons, in yellow and red, I think.

[cp409067]

14 hours ago, Northmoor said:

Is that a Dinky toy or is it a Trix-Twin loco body on the Hornby "Desmond" chassis?

 

*

The body of the Trix-Twin 0-4-0T was (as I recall) fatter and somewhat more bulbous.

 

CP

Edited January 8, 2022 by cp409067

[Ben B]

Having spammed the thread somewhat with shots of 'potential to convert' models for my Starter Locomotives layout, I thought I should instead post some pics from a pair of models built for the micro-layout that was the genesis of the project.  Back when Lockdown One hit, I found myself wanting to do a build, something compact, and (like everyone else in the country apparently, when faced with disaster) I was feeling all nostalgic.

 

 

My first ever 00 gauge model (alright, toy), this Welsotoys clockwork loco.  Cannot pull the skin off a rice pudding, at-least 2nd hand when I got it back in the mid 1980's, and one of my most treasured possessions.  It had a dog-bone type set of track of stupidly tight curvature, which meant (with a bit of bodging some Triang straight tracks) I could have a tiny little micro layout for it.

 

 

Whilst coming up with the ideas, I was re-reading the Ivor the Engine stories with my Youngest, whilst also doing some illustration work, so it all came together nicely   I'd been to a very good exhibition of the Smallfilms archive at Cartwright Hall, Bradford, and had been hankering to build something Ivor-themed, though I admit I was thinking about a model for the garden railway.

 

 

There was no way I was going to carve-up that beloved Welsotoys tank loco, but I did have this clockwork Hornby Thomas that had come in a box of bits a while before, and it seemed somehow fitting to make the model using Ivors arch-rival

 

 

Urgh... the joys of restoring old clockwork toys.  Time to get the hoover out...

 

 

With the model shops all closed, I had to make the best of it with scraps, though I did like this improvisation.  To be honest most of my garden railway builds are along these lines anyway, so the only difference was scaling my usual methods down to 4mm.  Lots of plasticard, and the boiler is a mini-Pritt Stick that the kids had killed whilst home-schooling.

 

 

 

I'd puzzled over the distinctive chimney and dome, but ended up using bits from dead highlighter pens.  The windows are Airfix Messerschmidt tyres, the handrails staples, the distinctive organ pipes are various thicknesses of kit sprues and a handbrake shaft from a Dapol pug.

 

 

I admit it's a bit ropy, but I was deliberately trying to build it to match the aesthetics of the layout.  Handbrushed with an ancient pot of Citadel Miniatures Snot-Green, and some brass, a bit of red for the footplate, and some silver.  I wanted to deliberately restrict the colour pallette, which is what I was also doing with the layout, using only a few shades of marker pens.

 

 

 

The lining was hand painted with acrylic, and the signwriting hand done with a marker.  Again, trying to match the illustrations as closely as possible, to try and make this look like a 3D rendition of the pictures.  I did uhm and ah over whether to draw black outlines on the edges of the model ,but chose not to in the end.

 

 

It needed a crew too, so I sketched out a few characters (Dai Station, above)...

 

 

...and Jones the Steam.  They were drawn quite large, then scaled down, printed out, and glued onto card before cutting out with a scalpel.  Of the other loco in the background of the above pic, more anon...

 

 

I was really happy with how both Ivor and the layout turned out.

 

 

It did the trick, nostalgia-hit wise, and was a fun, silly little distraction in lockdown times and with home-working.  The stock for the loco was a bit of a faff, the tight curves rather limiting things, until I remembered I had some exceedingly warped Triang early coaches in the attic, so the perfectly good bogies were stripped off them, and then bodies chopped-down from other scrap wagons.  At least in the Ivor books, the trains were always short, which can't have done much for the economics of the railway, but made it great for a micro-layout build!

 

 

[Ben B]

Having built Ivor, I fancied a second locomotive for the clockwork layout, for a bit of variety.  The only other prominent 'loco' in the Ivor stories was an unreliable rail lorry contraption, which didn't really seem possible on the standard Triang/Hornby clockwork 00 chassis.  Being a Welsh railway, I wanted a suitable prototype, and turned to another nostalgia-themed build...

 

 

 

Alongside the Ivor layout, I had knocked-up a model of "Welsh Pony" for the garden line as a lockdown project, more out of annoyance that the travel bans were going to stop me getting to see the real thing (my favourite loco since childhood) getting restored to run on the Ffestiniog.  This was another 'cobbled together from scraps and bits of old toys' model, built from limited supplies at home during the first Lockdown.  Having built one in roughly 7/8ths scale, doing a version in 4mm seemed fitting; it's never really clear about if Ivor is standard or narrow gauge.  One story has him going to a mainline shed, but the whole atmosphere of the line is decidedly narrow gauge.  What the hell, I thought either a George England tank loco or a Double Fairlie was the most stereotypically top-left-corner-of-Wales loco design, and there was no way a Fairlie was going to get around the curves on the layout...

 

 

A quick eBay purchase was another Hornby Thomas, bought cheap as it was damaged.

 

 

Bodywork was again from plasticard, a deliberate caricature of the real thing, with overscale rivets and other details.

 

 

Same again with the other bits, odds and ends from stationery, toys, model kits...

 

 

The sky-blue livery seemed the best to provide a contrast with Ivor.  Again, Citadel paints.

 

 

The loco seems quite at home on the layout, if anything all the black lining makes it blend-in rather nicely and shows I probably should have gone down that route with Ivor.

 

 

Incidentally, the loco was named "Enfys", Welsh for Rainbow.  This is a bit of an in-joke with my Youngest.  The loco is a sky-blue coloured "Welsh Pony", and her other passion is "My Little Pony", which has a sky-blue coloured character called Rainbow Dash.  The crossover children's TV episode nobody expected there

 

And yes, that is a Purple Moose Brewery tanker too

 

 

[Steamport Southport]

Mws Piws

 

 

 

Got a bottle of that in the fridge and some Wrexham Lager.