RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted July 24, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 24, 2018 You could pay £102 for the old stock VBA if you really set your mind to it by having a flashing rear light fitted! Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ghost of IKB Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 You could pay £102 for the old stock VBA if you really set your mind to it by having a flashing rear light fitted! Mike. Nomination for bargain of the century!An oo gauge tribute to the great train robbery! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted July 25, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 25, 2018 So... having rejected these wagons for not being as described, I was informed by Olivia's manager to return them at my cost at which point Olivia's would decide if they were acceptable or not. If they were found to be acceptable, I would have to pay postage a third time to have them redelivered. If they were not acceptable in Olivia's view, I would be refunded excluding my return postage. I told Olivia's manager that the goods had been rejected under the Consumer Rights Act 2015 for not being as described. I informed Olivia's the wagons were dirty and damaged and distinctly second hand with transfers applied by them in a poor attempt to produce a pristine BOC barrier wagon but their advert did not state that this was what they were selling hence not as described. It was at this juncture, that Bishop took over the correspondence and firstly said the models were sold to me in error as I was a previously banned customer in what can only be described as raging text (and later email) paranoia. I explained that he was wrong and I was a first time buyer and was soon to become a first and only time buyer. I asked him to explain his rudeness and the evidence for his accusation which he ignored. I also said he should send me the cost of the return postage before the goods were returned as I did not trust him to refund the return postage otherwise. He agreed to pay for 2nd Class Signed For return postage even though his wagons were under insured in the event of loss or damage and sent me £3.95 by PayPal. Having received the wagons back, and after some further prevarication regarding the "as new" condition of the wagons albeit with minor shelf wear to the boxes and reconfirming my ban from ever shopping with Olivia's again, I received a full refund a couple of days back. I shall not buy from them again despite my ban and can only wonder at Bishop's rationale for conducting business in the manner he does. I found the whole process (from original order to the refund) to be awkward, unpleasant and stressful. I am glad this matter is now concluded. Incredible! Why do people keep on buying from this thoroughly unpleasant shop? Really the only way to sort this guy out is to stop buying Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 I've had a set of these tankers and the barrier wagon across my desk for review in BRM January. Overall I am extremely impressed with the accuracy and quality with plenty of checking against Paul Bartlett's images. The finish is very good and there's no major hang-ups. The VBA van is a standard Bachmann bauxite van re-finished for Olivia's by Rainbow Resprays and the quality of finish is very good and ties in well with a little overspray of the white onto the van ends. Checking against photos though I am inclined to think the van was repainted a more red-brown than bauxite. Accessories: Replacement oval buffers, cosmetic instanter coupling. Train air and reservoir pipes, spare handrail, pressure ring cover, safety valve cover, handbrakes. 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Storey Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 Many thanks for this Andy. I have tentatively ordered several from Olivias, but have heard nothing for many months, after an initial exchange to confirm precisely what I needed. Have they indicated a release date? Or are these EP's? Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 A few minor deco revisions to be made I believe but I don't think they are too far away at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37501 Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 The TEA tanks look great but at £75 each I can't see me ordering many. I remember seeing long trains of these going west at Newport in the very early morning behind a Transrail 56. Were they run in short trains or in the consist of Speedlink workings? John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR(S) Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 The TEA tanks look great but at £75 each I can't see me ordering many. I remember seeing long trains of these going west at Newport in the very early morning behind a Transrail 56. Were they run in short trains or in the consist of Speedlink workings? John These might be of use: https://flic.kr/p/vGLnoy po-84635-boc-TEA-Whitemoor-1985-09 by Huw Millington, on Flickr 40150 (KD). LV45 trip from Garston to Arpley Yd at Arpley Jn (Warrington) on 080684 by Michael Hart, on Flickr hoo by Roger Goodrum, on Flickr 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37501 Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 Thank you for posting these pictures. I can now visualise a pair of tanks in one of my Speedlink trains. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ColinK Posted November 2, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 2, 2018 The photos I’ve seen have the tanks running in block trains. Did you ever get just one or two tanks is a mixed freight train? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PaulCheffus Posted November 2, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 2, 2018 The photos I’ve seen have the tanks running in block trains. Did you ever get just one or two tanks is a mixed freight train? Hi The photos in the post two above yours shows exactly this. Cheers Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Storey Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 They used to arrive at Sheerness Steel in pairs usually, as part of the twice daily trip of Autics/Cartics, bogie scrap wagons, empty SPA's and BDA's/BBA's from Hoo (or direct from Acton on occasion). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 They also ran as one or two wagons to locations such as Falmouth (nitrogen for tank-purging) and Ipswich. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bescotbeast Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 (edited) I'm tempted to obtain two of these for a Speedlink working but the customer service and price put me off. That Barrier van is the wrong colour, it should be the same red as the BOC symbol, £65 for an inaccurate respray is terrible. Edited November 2, 2018 by bescotbeast Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Storey Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 I'm tempted to obtain two of these for a Speedlink working but the customer service and price put me off. That Barrier van is the wrong colour, it should be the same red as the BOC symbol, £65 for an inaccurate respray is terrible. Depends what period you are modelling - they certainly did not need barrier vehicles by 1982, but I do not know when the requirement stopped - someone, somewhere on this thread has given a date. I certainly won't be buying any barriers. As for cost of the tankers - I looked at bashing some TEA's some years past, and the costs (depending on how much you are prepared to compromise) including stripping/painting and commissioning transfers, did not come to much less than this. But it was also the time and skill needed to get even close to the results that Olivias appear to have achieved, that suggested to me that if I wanted them as an important part of my fleet, I was going to have to pay. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bescotbeast Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 Depends what period you are modelling - they certainly did not need barrier vehicles by 1982, but I do not know when the requirement stopped - someone, somewhere on this thread has given a date. I certainly won't be buying any barriers. As for cost of the tankers - I looked at bashing some TEA's some years past, and the costs (depending on how much you are prepared to compromise) including stripping/painting and commissioning transfers, did not come to much less than this. But it was also the time and skill needed to get even close to the results that Olivias appear to have achieved, that suggested to me that if I wanted them as an important part of my fleet, I was going to have to pay. I hear what you're saying but the bad feedback and the comments posted earlier put me off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted November 2, 2018 Author Share Posted November 2, 2018 As for cost of the tankers - I looked at bashing some TEA's some years past, and the costs (depending on how much you are prepared to compromise) including stripping/painting and commissioning transfers, did not come to much less than this. But it was also the time and skill needed to get even close to the results that Olivias appear to have achieved, that suggested to me that if I wanted them as an important part of my fleet, I was going to have to pay. Put a motor in it and call it a locomotive no one would even mention the price! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Storey Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 I hear what you're saying but the bad feedback and the comments posted earlier put me off. I don't dispute their mixed reputation, but they are the only outfit that has bothered to try to model this as RTR, so they get the benefit of my suspension of disbelief, until or unless it all goes rear-end upwards....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR(S) Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 (edited) I hear what you're saying but the bad feedback and the comments posted earlier put me off. I have followed the thread regarding people's varied experiences with Olivia's and have ordered over the phone with them once and been to the shop once (both positive experiences). For what it's worth, my opinion is if these wagons are something you want and you're happy to pay the price asked then order them! I know little about these wagons but Andy Y's pictures show well what you'll be getting and they seem good when comparing them to prototype pictures. Edited November 3, 2018 by BR(S) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ghost of IKB Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 The tanks look decent, but at that price I'll do without. No doubt having hung around unsold they'll be off loaded at hattons in a year or so at a more reasonable price, like the 76/77's were. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted November 3, 2018 Author Share Posted November 3, 2018 The tanks look decent, but at that price I'll do without. No doubt having hung around unsold they'll be off loaded at hattons in a year or so at a more reasonable price, like the 76/77's were. I thought the same about Bachmann China Clay Polybulks, but it never happened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted November 3, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 3, 2018 Put a motor in it and call it a locomotive no one would even mention the price! Mark Saunders Especially when you can get a fully functioning Bo-Bo diesel locomotive for considerably less. Mike. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim76 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Does anyone know which type ran over the Woodhead. Was it the Oxygen or Nitrogen versions? Cheers, Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 They also ran as one or two wagons to locations such as Falmouth (nitrogen for tank-purging) and Ipswich. Pair worked to Norwich - where they are unloaded into a road trailer https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/boctank/e3326fda5 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/boctank/e2e9b7c15 and Ipswich - also with a road trailer alongside And in Sheerness Steel https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/boctank/e32381f5c https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/boctank/e6db7bf1b Plenty of other singletons on there Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Does anyone know which type ran over the Woodhead. Was it the Oxygen or Nitrogen versions? Cheers, Jim https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/boctank/e601601fc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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