brianusa Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 A lot of wall signs sometime have nothing to do with the building or its business; its just a big ad space! A lot seem to rely on a big picture of the product rather than a wordy ad especially in Victorian times as some were still illiterate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted October 21, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 21, 2017 Either no-one has spotted the change in the brick work pattern between the two parts of the building, or you're all being polite and not mentioning it. Good, I'll keep quiet too and perhaps it will resolve itself... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted October 21, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 21, 2017 I've added some yellow-ish paint, plus started to pick out some of the bricks in different colours. 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tref Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 You were ok until you pointed it out! Flemish bond...ok... Stretcher bond? Nah! English bond please! But don't worry, it is masked by your fantastic eye for colour. As I am discovering, it doesn't matter what is underneath it, if the colour is wrong, it looks wrong. Paint it well, and it will hide a multitude of sins.. Care to share your method and colours used? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted October 21, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 21, 2017 (edited) Thanks Tref. Base/primer colour is Halfords Plastic Primer which is a nice flat grey. The main colour is Humbrol Acrylic RC416, which I believe is Southern Yellow. This dry brushed in a patchy fashion, so not trying for a uniform coverage but more a random colour depth. Individual bricks are then picked out in Humbrol matt enamels - 103 ( yellow), 121 (stone) and 117 ( sea green). There is further work needed, especially dry brush weathering with a dark green & dark brown, but this will be done once the walls are in place. Edited October 21, 2017 by Stubby47 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted October 22, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 22, 2017 A lot of wall signs sometime have nothing to do with the building or its business; its just a big ad space! A lot seem to rely on a big picture of the product rather than a wordy ad especially in Victorian times as some were still illiterate. A good point Brian and definitely food for thought. Browsing through the aforementioned canal architecture books did reveal some examples of painted adverts - I need to find something that will be easy to replicate as a paint mask. I also now need to choose another colour, as I don't think white will stand out enough against the mainly yellow brickwork. I guess black is the obvious alternative. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post Stubby47 Posted October 22, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted October 22, 2017 A couple of views showing what the final diorama might look like. 26 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KNP Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Shaping up nicely, like the reflection in the canal water of the buildings. Looks busy already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted October 22, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 22, 2017 Thanks Kevin, I'm really pleased it actually looks like I intended. The reflections are a real bonus too. Just had the whole scene back in the spray booth for more primer. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signaller69 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Just catching up with your creation Stu, looking a super little diorama. Martyn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Huw Griffiths Posted October 22, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 22, 2017 Browsing through the aforementioned canal architecture books did reveal some examples of painted adverts - I need to find something that will be easy to replicate as a paint mask. I also now need to choose another colour, as I don't think white will stand out enough against the mainly yellow brickwork. I guess black is the obvious alternative. In view of this being the cakebox challenge, I don't know if cake-related adverts might be in order (even if the dates timescale might not be quite right): https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=mr+kipling+advert&client=firefox-b&dcr=0&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjrxqyKw4TXAhWRbFAKHT8LAIwQ_AUICygC&biw=1354&bih=618 https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=lyons+cake+advert&client=firefox-b&dcr=0&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjJl-HAw4TXAhXFI1AKHZ56C9IQ_AUICigB&biw=1354&bih=618 As for transferring any signs / posters to walls on your model, I don't know if there might be some point in printing your own transfers using "transfer sheets". Huw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian Smeeton Posted October 22, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 22, 2017 What about these https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=firefox-b&dcr=0&biw=1280&bih=562&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=ghost+signs&oq=ghost+signs&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0l9j0i30k1.166307.172061.0.172561.28.18.0.0.0.0.166.2223.3j13.17.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..15.11.1731.0..0i67k1.151.74mRDsaQ-AM Regards Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted October 22, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 22, 2017 I have considered transfers ( although poor experiences with them as a child trying to apply them to Airfix planes have left me with a sense of foreboding), but don't want to spend any money on this project and I don't have any transfer sheets in stock. Using the cutter to make a mask should teach me new skills ( as would using transfers...) and I can possibly control the colour better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted October 22, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 22, 2017 What about these https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=firefox-b&dcr=0&biw=1280&bih=562&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=ghost+signs&oq=ghost+signs&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0l9j0i30k1.166307.172061.0.172561.28.18.0.0.0.0.166.2223.3j13.17.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..15.11.1731.0..0i67k1.151.74mRDsaQ-AM Regards Ian Those are the types of sign I want, my dilemma is deciding what to put on the sign. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian Smeeton Posted October 22, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 22, 2017 Overlay 2 0r 3 with suitable fading Saves choosing. Regards Ian 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted October 22, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 22, 2017 Nice idea Ian, but it doesn't fit the 'history'. I'm assuming the canal & warehouse were there before the railway was built. The warehouse owners would have had a reasonable 'catchment' for the wall mounted advert. However, when the overbridge was built, it effectively hid the advert from view, hence my wanting to make a ghost sign. Stu Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted October 24, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2017 (edited) A bit more painting has been done, so I stuck the few elements I have together with blue tac for some photos. Edited October 24, 2017 by Stubby47 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold westerhamstation Posted October 24, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2017 Hi Stubby, I read that you are considering making a paper mask for your sign using your cutter, if you do you will need to incorporate ties for the centre of the letters or stick the centres of the letters into position with a removable adhesive, alternatively you may consider using self adhesive vinyl applied with a carrier film. Another method that was used for signs on walls, was a rendered panel with a moulding around it with the sign then painted on to it, if you used this method you would be able to create this on your computer and print it, then just glue it on to the brickwork. I hope this hasn't thrown a spanner in the works. All the best Adrian. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted October 24, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2017 Adrian, you are quite right about the tags to the centre of the letters - I'll have to add them all manually, as I don't think any software (at least none I've got) will do that. Another idea would be to use a John Bull printing set (remember those ! ). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted October 25, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 25, 2017 (edited) Depending on the monitor / phone used, the green on the walls looks a lot stronger in the photos than it does in reality. I've also not been completely happy with the general brickwork, so toned the lot down with some cream today. I've also painted the door and blocked up doors & windows on the warehouse. Edited October 25, 2017 by Stubby47 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Tim Dubya Posted October 27, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 27, 2017 Either no-one has spotted the change in the brick work pattern between the two parts of the building, or you're all being polite and not mentioning it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianusa Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Probably because its so small but its so good, its hard to believe it is so small! Brian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry1975 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Looking very good. Jerry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefromacrossthepond Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 What strikes my fancy is the perfect balance among all the parts of this. It all looks like a small portion of a much larger world that continues "just off stage." Looking forward to what's coming next! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted October 28, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 28, 2017 What strikes my fancy is the perfect balance among all the parts of this. It all looks like a small portion of a much larger world that continues "just off stage." Looking forward to what's coming next! Me too! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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