RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted October 10, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 10, 2018 Isn't mincing miscreant modellers messy?, not to mention illegal? Mike. That would have to be a post watershed episode of the Great Model Railway Challenge.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37501 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Bought 4 blue carflats and a selection of1980s era cars from the excellent Oxford Diecast range. Just noticed that none of them have wing mirrors apart from the early Range Rover and BL Princess. I guess too easily broken off. I remember having endless fun gluing on the tiny mirrors onto Bachmann Minis for loading up STVA car carriers. Still curious to know why two cars have the mirrors and the majority don't. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted October 12, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 12, 2018 (edited) Bought 4 blue carflats and a selection of1980s era cars from the excellent Oxford Diecast range. Just noticed that none of them have wing mirrors apart from the early Range Rover and BL Princess. I guess too easily broken off. I remember having endless fun gluing on the tiny mirrors onto Bachmann Minis for loading up STVA car carriers. Still curious to know why two cars have the mirrors and the majority don't. John In the early 19080s not all cars had wing mirrors, my MG didn't. Brand new cars would have done, but the older cars still on the streets may have been fitted or not. At that time there was a big market for after-market mirrors. Fitting your own mirrors also meant that there was not always a consistent approach to where they were located either. It may have swayed Oxford's decision. Roy Edited October 12, 2018 by Roy Langridge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37501 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Thanks for the information Roy. I have been carrying out further research and agree that cars from this era did not have wing mirrors or only one on the drivers side. I like the Oxford cars as they are very robust with few small parts to get knocked off. Need to find a way of folding in the mirrors on my Land Rover FC 101s so that they are within the loading gauge of Warwells..... John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted October 13, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 13, 2018 IIRC the Oxford ones are based on shorter Mk1 frames and the Bachmann ones the longer version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Are the Bachmann and Oxford Rail Carflats supposed to be the same wagon/diagram, given the difference obvious visual differences between the two models? Hopefully, someone will elaborate. No, they are entirely different - search out the Oxford carflat thread on here and read the various on-line stuff - it's obvious Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rembrow Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Are the Bachmann and Oxford Rail Carflats supposed to be the same wagon/diagram, given the difference obvious visual differences between the two models? Hopefully, someone will elaborate. The carflats mode by Oxford and Bachmann are based on prototypes that used redundant coach chassis, however they are different donor coaches. The Oxford version depicts the versions built in the late 1950s, using chassis from pre nationalisation coaches. Their carflat uses the ex LMS 57ft length coach chassis. At the time BR used both 57ft and 60ft LMS coach chassis and GWR coach chassis. The Bachmann version is based on carflats built in the 1960s using redundant BR mk 1 coaches to provide the chassis. Although the upper structure is similar, the differences in the chassis are readily identifiable, with the difference in length and the Oxford version having chassis trusses at the outside edge of the chassis (ex LMS) and the Bachmann having the trusses inboard (ex BR mk1) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
owentherail Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 No, they are entirely different - search out the Oxford carflat thread on here and read the various on-line stuff - it's obvious And did they run together ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 The carflats mode by Oxford and Bachmann are based on prototypes that used redundant coach chassis, however they are different donor coaches. The Oxford version depicts the versions built in the late 1950s, using chassis from pre nationalisation coaches. Their carflat uses the ex LMS 57ft length coach chassis. At the time BR used both 57ft and 60ft LMS coach chassis and GWR coach chassis. The Bachmann version is based on carflats built in the 1960s using redundant BR mk 1 coaches to provide the chassis. Although the upper structure is similar, the differences in the chassis are readily identifiable, with the difference in length and the Oxford version having chassis trusses at the outside edge of the chassis (ex LMS) and the Bachmann having the trusses inboard (ex BR mk1) Unfortunately the Oxford ones are too short, they should be on a 60ft frame. They do have the different brake lever arrangement - which includes the 'unique' reversed lever which most of us understood to be not permitted from early in the last century, but is modelled correctly. Prototypes for both the Oxfords and Bachmanns can either vacuum brake only FVV or converted to air brake but retaining the vacuum brake FVX, I don't know how detailed the models are in that respect. So, they could work together, However, I don't know when the Oxfords came off of passenger car train use - I don't have any as Motorail. But you haven't mentioned period. It was the GWR and LNER ones which went out of use early. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
owentherail Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Have you already searched out the Oxford carflat thread on here and read the various on-line stuff before asking this question? No Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
class37418stag Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 (edited) Hello everyone Please read that details So 1990s carflat was carry new ford transit ? And any more name of vehicles from manufacturer to docks or distribution Because I has tried searched online for any vehicle on carflat in 1990 Thank you Edited November 13, 2018 by class37418stag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 i remember the original Hornby version with the legend "not to be worked past Zeebrugge" on it. quite a livery - was that made up or were the real ones bright orange? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Hello everyone Please read that details So 1990s carflat was carry new ford transit ? And any more name of vehicles from manufacturer to docks or distribution Because I has tried searched online for any vehicle on carflat in 1990 Thank you Land-Rovers, Range-Rovers- worked to Dover from Bordesley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Thanks for the information Roy. I have been carrying out further research and agree that cars from this era did not have wing mirrors or only one on the drivers side. I like the Oxford cars as they are very robust with few small parts to get knocked off. Need to find a way of folding in the mirrors on my Land Rover FC 101s so that they are within the loading gauge of Warwells..... John and probably some new cars still on sale at around that time would have been through that era where you got a drivers side mirror but no passenger side or it was an optional extra ie; the Ford Fiesta Mk1 and later the Mk2 from around mid to late 84. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnfromoz Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Unfortunately the Oxford ones are too short, they should be on a 60ft frame. They do have the different brake lever arrangement - which includes the 'unique' reversed lever which most of us understood to be not permitted from early in the last century, but is modelled correctly. Prototypes for both the Oxfords and Bachmanns can either vacuum brake only FVV or converted to air brake but retaining the vacuum brake FVX, I don't know how detailed the models are in that respect. So, they could work together, However, I don't know when the Oxfords came off of passenger car train use - I don't have any as Motorail. But you haven't mentioned period. It was the GWR and LNER ones which went out of use early. Paul Does this mean that the Oxford version is categorically wrong? I had been given to believe that some of bothe the 57 and 60 ft underframes were used for carflats. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markw Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 There were some earlier conversions of period 1 and 2 57' underframes but they were all riveted frames, the Oxford model has welded frames and bogies from a period 3 stanier coach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnfromoz Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Thanks for that, which begs the question, what sort of bogies would be correct for the Oxford version? Surely the Staniers are correct? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markw Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Perhaps I didn't word that very well. The 57' conversions had rivetted frames and rivetted bogies, the Oxford model has welded frame and welded bogies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knapdale Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 With the detailing provided, does anyone know which parts go in which of the holes in the bufferbeam and underframe? No instructions are included and while a couple of parts are obvious, it’s not so obvious with the pipes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRAILRAGE Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 Interesting. Would these be 60ft LMS examples in between to MK1 examples at Luton? Trucks on delivery | Brand new Bedford TK trucks and Vauxhal… | Flickr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 14 hours ago, TRAILRAGE said: Interesting. Would these be 60ft LMS examples in between to MK1 examples at Luton? Trucks on delivery | Brand new Bedford TK trucks and Vauxhal… | Flickr No link. CJI. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted September 10, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 10, 2023 39 minutes ago, cctransuk said: No link. CJI. I assume this link was intended: https://flic.kr/p/T12zbS Roy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRAILRAGE Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 7 hours ago, cctransuk said: No link. CJI. Apologies don't know happened there. Trailrage Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRAILRAGE Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 7 hours ago, Roy Langridge said: I assume this link was intended: https://flic.kr/p/T12zbS Roy Yes that's the one Thank you. Trailrage 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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