Nearholmer Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Yes, I was thinking of two things simultaneously and wrote a nonsense post! Now untangled! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Corbs Posted November 1, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 1, 2018 (edited) Another one along similar lines: Hunslet 150hp 0-6-0DM as bought by the LMS in the early 1930s. Could sell to LMS fans, military railway fans, and there were several industrial users. LMS 7051 is a good example, very interesting history, and preserved. Also, the early Kerr Stuart locos. I remember the one that worked at Rom River Reinforcements somewhere in the Trent Valley, which I think originally belonged to The Ravenglass & Eskdale Railway, and I think is now preserved at Foxfield. [snap with 'Ruston' on this one] Its a class that spans c60 years in operation, alongside everything from 15" gauge steamers to 25kV OLE. Do you have any pics of the Hunslets in industrial use good sir? The only ones I can find are of models or the LMS one. I'm aiming to get this poll online tonight. Edited November 1, 2018 by Corbs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted November 1, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 1, 2018 LMS 7051 has been in preservation for longer than "main" line use. It did work for tthe WD but you can have one now - Judith Edge do a nice kit for one. Baz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Buried in books and IRS journals, I think, but not findable tonight. Sorry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted November 1, 2018 Author Share Posted November 1, 2018 (edited) Another one along similar lines: Hunslet 150hp 0-6-0DM as bought by the LMS in the early 1930s. Could sell to LMS fans, military railway fans, and there were several industrial users. LMS 7051 is a good example, very interesting history, and preserved. Also, the early Kerr Stuart locos. I remember the one that worked at Rom River Reinforcements somewhere in the Trent Valley, which I think originally belonged to The Ravenglass & Eskdale Railway, and I think is now preserved at Foxfield. Its a class that spans c50 years in operation. I don't think that 7051 (w/n 1697 of 1932) should be in contention at all. It, and the other Hunslets built for the LMS, were one-offs as far as I know (Mike Edge will know this for sure). The radiators, cabs and bufferbeams on the LMS locos all look different to the industrial and wartime Hunslets and that's before knowing and comparing the dimensions. There's also about a decade between 7051 and the wartime stuff. Edited November 1, 2018 by Ruston Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Barry The model of it that i’m forever seeking is an 0 gauge one, made by Bonds in the 1930s, when it was newish. Not an easy model to find, but there are a few about. Kevin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 (edited) 7051 saw military use, and I think industrial use as a hire loco itself. But, if it was indeed a complete 'one off', then I can see why it might not win many votes. Edited November 1, 2018 by Nearholmer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Corbs Posted November 1, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 1, 2018 POLL #2 [iNDUSTRIAL 6 WHEELED DIESELS] IS NOW OPEN http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/138996-poll-which-industrial-diesel-0-6-06w-should-be-made-in-rtr-industrial-loco-poll-2/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted November 2, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 2, 2018 7051 (HE 1697) was the first standard gauge diesel built by Hunslet and was mostly based on steam loco design, it had little in common with later "production" locos and was not repeated. The subsequent locos for the LMS were also fairly experimental, 7052 and 7053 were similar, being an enlarged version of the first one. 7054 was a further development and had the longest life in service, mostly at various Yorkshire collieries before scrapping in 1974. I haven't located the drawings for any of the last three yet but they may well be at Statfold Barn. The Fowler 0-6-0 in the above list is also a bit of a rarity, they didn't build many 6 wheel locos but the similarly styled 0-4-0 was built in some quantity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
5050 Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 A bit late I know - but that's me all over! How about the HC PLA Class 0-6-0 side tanks? A nice 'cobby' sort of loco as someone once said about something else. Plenty in NCB use in the north east at least - and on the docks somewhere darn sarf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Corbs Posted November 2, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 2, 2018 (edited) I think we’ve added that one now, isn’t it the last one on the poll? Edited November 2, 2018 by Corbs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penrhos1920 Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 I'd like to see an ex mainline steam loco like NCB 67 which was originally Taff Vale 28 and is now preserved Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Corbs Posted November 3, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 3, 2018 I did wonder about the LH&JC 0-6-2T locos et al. - I think we will need to have a misc. category for the ones that don't fit into the main groups. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Corbs Posted November 6, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 6, 2018 (edited) Right then, time to put the next poll together. I was thinking of doing 4 wheeled diesels. Current suggestions: Fowler 0-4-0DM - 421 Class Fowler 0-4-0DM - Old type (don't know class/designation) Ruston 88DS Ruston 44/48HP (tooling could probably also do a 48DS) Ruston 0-4-0DM EE Stephenson 0-4-0DH Armstrong-Whitworth 0-4-0DE YEC 0-4-0DH/0-4-0DE Andrew Barclay 0-4-0DM Hibberd Planet 4wDM Simplex Shunter (Petrol) I welcome suggestions! Edited November 8, 2018 by Corbs 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 47137 Posted November 6, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 6, 2018 From a purely selfish point of view, the smaller of the two Rustons here would be ideal, because I could move the buffers inwards and downwards and it would sit happily on my 1:87 layout. Especially if it could have a compensated chassis like the REE Moyse 2. My Moyse 2 refuses to stall, I have never had 4-wheel mechanism run so well. Having all four wheels on the track all the time makes for tremendous running. - Richard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Right then, time to put the next poll together. I was thinking of doing 4 wheeled diesels. YEC 0-4-0DM Screen Shot 2018-11-06 at 14.42.59.png I welcome suggestions! Hi Corbs, Would any of the petrol fuelled Simplex type contraptions be suitable for this category ? http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/101829-15098-simplex-shunter/ Or a Hibberd perhaps ? https://www.flickr.com/photos/142340440@N04/26663247102/ The YEC 0-4-0 DM looks like you have chopping up a Triang Dock Authority and re-arranging the bits on top of a Nellie chassis. Just in case you have nothing to do once you have finished your Garrets. Just to disgrace myself, wrong type of suggestion I know but one can try. Gibbo. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted November 6, 2018 Author Share Posted November 6, 2018 The first Fowler looks like it's a 421 class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted November 6, 2018 Author Share Posted November 6, 2018 The loco shown as 48DS is actually a 44/48HP. See the rivet counter's guide to Ruston 48DS thread for details. Either change the photo for one of a 48DS or change the entry to 44/48HP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted November 6, 2018 Author Share Posted November 6, 2018 The "YEC 0-4-0DM" definitely isn't a DM. It's either a DE or a DH. The one in the photo looks more like a DH. The DE looks similar but the engine casing on a DE is pretty much the same as on a Janus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Corbs Posted November 7, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 7, 2018 Thanks Dave. Bit of a blunder there with the Ruston as I borrowed the photo from the rivet counter's thread! I have covered the bases on the YEC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandhole Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 I did wonder about the LH&JC 0-6-2T locos et al. - I think we will need to have a misc. category for the ones that don't fit into the main groups. If you are going to do an ex-mainline category, can you stick in the North Staffs New L Class please? All in favour of the 0-4-0 diesel poll. Like your choices as well. When does the voting open for that? Chris. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted November 7, 2018 Author Share Posted November 7, 2018 If you are going to do an ex-mainline category, can you stick in the North Staffs New L Class please? All in favour of the 0-4-0 diesel poll. Like your choices as well. When does the voting open for that? Chris. Should we be doing ex-mainline at all? I would say no. The other main poll already takes care of mainline stuff. Some of it did get further use in industry but if you want a mainline type then vote for it in the main poll and if a model is made they'll probably make one in whatever industrial livery it carried to maximise sales. Even if they don't it's not a problem to repaint it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandhole Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Should we be doing ex-mainline at all? I would say no. The other main poll already takes care of mainline stuff. Some of it did get further use in industry but if you want a mainline type then vote for it in the main poll and if a model is made they'll probably make one in whatever industrial livery it carried to maximise sales. Even if they don't it's not a problem to repaint it. You do have a point Dave. This poll is becoming very complicated and the ex-mainline stuff just muddies the issue more! In any case, I think we have a tasty enough selection to choose from already!! Chris. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Corbs Posted November 8, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 8, 2018 Guys, I am hoping to post the 4 wheeled diesel poll online this evening, if you have any more suggestions please let me know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Corbs Posted November 8, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 8, 2018 POLL #3 NOW ONLINE: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/139231-poll-which-industrial-diesel-0-4-04w-should-be-made-in-rtr-industrial-loco-poll-3/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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