Bachmann 2020+

[Butler Henderson]

 Given the models stated in the current Bachmann availability list as being released in 2019 https://www.Bachmann.co.uk/availability/ their are over 200 OO models which will be appearing it seems in 2020 or later, which does question the sensibility of any further additions to  the range by them for the next few years:

31-168A L&YR Class 5 Tank 10730 LMS Crimson Lake (LMS)

31-171 L&YR Class 5 Tank 1042 L&YR Lined Black

31-186A LMS 5XP 'Jubilee' with Riveted Tender 45654 'Hood' BR Lined Green (Late Crest)

31-186ASF LMS 5XP 'Jubilee' with Riveted Tender 45654 'Hood' BR Lined Green (Late Crest)

31-215 LMS 5XP 'Patriot' 5551 'The Unknown Warrior' LMS Lined Crimson

31-215SF LMS 5XP 'Patriot' 5551 'The Unknown Warrior' LMS Lined Crimson

31-239A  Class 205 DEMU 205001 BR Network SouthEast (Revised) [W]

31-265A  Class 419 MLV S68002 BR (SR) Green

31-267A Class 419 MLV S68008 BR Blue & Grey

31-325A Class 105 2-Car DMU BR Blue [W]

31-381 Class 416 2-EPB 2-Car EMU 6262 BR Blue & Grey [W]

31-390 Class 414 2-HAP 2-Car EMU 6061 BR (SR) Green

31-391 Class 414 2-HAP 2-Car EMU 6062 BR Blue & Grey

31-392 Class 414 2-HAP 2-Car EMU 4322 BR Network SouthEast (Revised)

31-426C Class 411 4-CEP 4-Car EMU 7122 BR (SR) Green (Small Yellow Panels) [W]

31-427C Class 411 4-CEP 4-Car EMU 7106 BR Blue & Grey [W]

31-443 LMS Ivatt 2MT Tank 41227 BR Lined Black (British Railways)

31-460A SE&CR C Class 583 SE&CR Lined Green (Original)

31-490 Class 410 4-BEP 4-Car EMU BR (SR) Green (Small Yellow Panels)

31-491 Class 410 4-BEP 4-Car EMU 7010 BR Blue & Grey

31-517 Class 158 2-Car DMU 158849 BR Regional Railways  

31-517DS Class 158 2-Car DMU 158849 BR Regional Railways EXPECTED JAN 2020

31-518 Class 158 2-Car DMU 158773 East Midlands Trains EXPECTED JAN 2020

31-518SF Class 158 2-Car DMU 158773 East Midlands Trains

31-519 Class 158 2-Car DMU 158766 GWR Green (FirstGroup) EXPECTED JAN 2020

31-519SF Class 158 2-Car DMU 158766 GWR Green (FirstGroup)

31-520 Class 159 3-Car DMU 159013 BR Network SouthEast (Revised) EXPECTED JAN 2020

31-520SF Class 159 3-Car DMU 159013 BR Network SouthEast (Revised)

31-665 Class 47/7 47711 'Greyfriars Bobby' BR Blue (Large Logo)

31-665SF Class 47/7 47711 'Greyfriars Bobby' BR Blue (Large Logo)

31-676A Class 85 E3057 BR Electric Blue

31-678A Class 85 85040 BR Blue [W]

31-716A LNER B1 61076 BR Lined Black (Late Crest) [W]

31-717 LNER B1 1264 LNER Lined Green (Revised)

31-740 MR 1532 (1P) Tank 1273 Midland Railway Crimson Lake

31-741 MR 1532 (1P) Tank 1303 LMS Black (Original)

31-742 MR 1532 (1P) Tank 58072 BR Lined Black (Early Emblem)

31-932 LMS 4P Compound 41123 BR Lined Black (Early Emblem)

31-933A LMS 4P Compound 41143 BR Lined Black (Late Crest)

31-976B BR Standard 3MT Tank 82041 BR Lined Green (Late Crest)

31-982 BR Standard 3MT Tank 82018 BR Lined Black (Late Crest) [W]

31-998 LMS 10001 BR Black (Early Emblem)

32-027CSF Class 20/0 Disc Headcode D8035 BR Green (Late Crest)

32-046 Class 20/0 Headcode Box 20201 BR Blue

32-046SF Class 20/0 Headcode Box 20201 BR Blue

32-114B Class 08 13052 BR Black (Early Emblem)

32-116B Class 08 D3881 BR Green (Wasp Stripes) [W]

32-199 GWR 8750 Pannier Tank 3738 GWR Black (GWR)

32-205A GWR 8750 Pannier Tank 8771 BR Lined Black (Early Emblem)

32-216A GWR 57XX Pannier Tank 5775 BR Black (Late Crest)

32-217A GWR 57XX Pannier Tank L92 London Transport Lined Maroon

32-285A Class 101 2-Car DMU BR Green (Roundel)

32-285ASF Class 101 2-Car DMU BR Green (Roundel)

32-480 Class 40 Disc Headcode D248 BR Green (Late Crest)

32-486 Class 40 Split Headcode 40142 BR Blue

32-486SF Class 40 Split Headcode 40142 BR Blue

32-487 Class 40 Disc Headcode D213 'Andania' BR Green (Small Yellow Panels)

32-487SF Class 40 Disc Headcode D213 'Andania' BR Green (Small Yellow Panels)

32-518 Derby Lightweight 2-Car DMU BR Green (Early Emblem)

32-529C Class 55 'Deltic' D9010 'The King’s Own Scottish Borderer' BR Two-Tone Green (Small Yellow Panels)

32-529CSF Class 55 'Deltic' D9010 'The King’s Own Scottish Borderer' BR Two-Tone Green (Small Yellow Panels)

32-532A Class 55 'Deltic' 55003 'Meld' BR Blue

32-532ASF Class 55 'Deltic' 55003 'Meld' BR Blue

32-550D LNER A1 60163 'Tornado' BR Lined Green (Late Crest)

32-550DSF LNER A1 60163 'Tornado' BR Lined Green (Late Crest)

32-682 Class 45/0 Centre Headcode D53 'Royal Tank Regiment' BR Green (Small Yellow Panels)

32-682SF Class 45/0 Centre Headcode D53 'Royal Tank Regiment' BR Green (Small Yellow Panels)

32-701A Class 46 Centre Headcode 46020 BR Blue

32-701ASF Class 46 Centre Headcode 46020 BR Blue

32-739 Class 66/4 66413 Freightliner G&W

32-739SF Class 66/4 66413 Freightliner G&W

32-740 Class 66/7 66789 'British Rail 1948-1997' GBRf BR Blue (Large Logo)

32-740SF Class 66/7 66789 'British Rail 1948-1997' GBRf BR Blue (Large Logo)

32-741 Class 66/7 66783 'The Flying Dustman' GBRf 'Biffa' Red

32-741SF Class 66/7 66783 'The Flying Dustman' GBRf 'Biffa' Red

32-755A Class 57/3 57314 Arriva Trains Wales (Revised)

32-756A Class 57/6 57602 'Restormel Castle' GWR Green (FirstGroup)

32-756ASF Class 57/6 57602 'Restormel Castle' GWR Green (FirstGroup)

32-807 Class 47/4 47435 BR Blue

32-807SF Class 47/4 47435 BR Blue

32-852A BR Standard 9F with BR1F Tender 92069 BR Black (Early Emblem) [W]

32-859A BR Standard 9F with BR1B Tender 92212 BR Black (Late Crest)

32-875A LMS Fairburn Tank 2245 LMS Black (Original)

32-908 Class 108 2-Car DMU BR Blue & Grey

32-929 Class 150/1 2-Car DMU 150115 BR Provincial (Original) [PF]

32-929SF Class 150/1 2-Car DMU 150115 BR Provincial (Original)

32-940 Class 150/2 2-Car DMU 150232 GWR Green (FirstGroup) [PF]

32-941 Class 150/2 2-Car DMU 150275 Northern

32-954A BR Standard 4MT with BR2A Tender 76084 BR Lined Black (Early Emblem)

32-956 BR Standard 4MT with BR1B Tender 76066 BR Lined Black (Late Crest) [W]

33-088A 5 Plank China Clay Wagon GWR Grey With Tarpaulin Cover [W]

33-091 5 Plank China Clay 3-Wagon Pack BR Bauxite (Early) With Tarpaulin Covers

33-181A 10T Covered Salt Wagon 'Stafford Salt Works' Red

33-182A 10T Covered Salt Wagon 'Snowdrift Salt' Green [W]

33-856E 30T Bogie Bolster BR Grey (Early) [W]

33-878A 45T Bogie Well Wagon LMS Grey

33-900F 45T Bogie Well Wagon GWR Grey

33-901F 45T Bogie Well Wagon BR Grey (Early) [WL]

33-927A 30T Bogie Bolster GWR Grey [WL]

33-929C 30T Bogie Bolster BR Grey (Early) [WL]

35-025 GWR 94XX Pannier Tank 9402 GWR Green (GWR)

35-026 GWR 94XX Pannier Tank 9487 BR Black (Early Emblem)

35-027 GWR 94XX Pannier Tank 9479 BR Black (Late Crest)

35-125 Class 20/3 20306 DRS Blue

35-126 Class 20/3 20311 Harry Needle Railroad Company

35-127 Class 20/3 20312 DRS Compass (Original)

35-200 LNER V2 4791 LNER Lined Green (Original)

35-201 LNER V2 60845 BR Lined Black (Early Emblem)

35-202 LNER V2 60847 'St Peter's School' BR Lined Green (Late Crest)

35-500 Class 117 3-Car DMU BR Green (Speed Whiskers)

35-501 Class 117 3-Car DMU BR Blue & Grey

35-502 Class 117 3-Car DMU BR Network SouthEast (Revised)

35-525 Class 121 Single-Car DMU BR Green (Speed Whiskers)

35-526 Class 121 Single-Car DMU BR Blue & Grey

35-527 Class 121 Single-Car DMU BR Network SouthEast (Revised)

37-205A 8 Plank Wagon Coke Rails 'Bedwas' Grey

37-206B  8 Plank Wagon Coke Rails 'Stanton' Red

37-225J BR 16T Steel Mineral Wagon Top Flap Doors BR Grey (Early) [W]

37-227B BR 16T Steel Mineral Wagon BR Grey (Late) [W]

37-239 BR 16T Steel Mineral 3-Wagon Pack BR Grey (Early) [W] [WL]

37-250J BR 16T Steel Mineral Wagon Pressed End Door BR Grey (Early) [W]

37-256A BR 16T Steel Mineral Wagon BR Bauxite (Early) [WL]

37-275G BR 27T Steel Tippler BR Grey (Early) 'Iron Ore' [W]

37-279A BR 27T Steel Tippler BR Bauxite (TOPS) ‘Stone Traffic’ [WL]

37-353B BR 13T Steel Sand Tippler BR Grey (Early) [W]

37-354D BR 13T Steel Sand Tippler BR Grey (Early) [WL]

37-355D BR 13T Steel Sand Tippler BR Bauxite (Early)

37-357 BR 13T Steel Sand Tippler BR Bauxite (Departmental) [W]

37-376D 16T Steel Mineral Wagon Pressed End Door MOT Bauxite [WL]

37-402 16T Steel Slope-Sided Mineral Wagon 'Stewart & Lloyds' Red [WL]

37-425B 16T Steel Slope-Sided Mineral Wagon BR Grey (Early) [W]

37-428 16T Steel Slope-Sided Mineral Wagon 'Rother Vale' Black

37-429 16T Steel Slope-Sided Mineral Wagon 'WD Barnett & Co.' Red [WL]

37-480 1 Plank Wagon GWR Grey With 'GWR' AF Container

37-481 1 Plank Wagon LNER Bauxite With 'LNER' Blue BD Container

37-508A 24T Ore Hopper BR Grey (Early) [W]

37-509 24T Ore Hopper LMS Bauxite [WL]

37-528D BR 20T Brake Van BR Grey (Early)

37-534 BR 20T Brake Van BR Bauxite (Late)

37-560BR 45T Class B TTA Conical End Black (Unbranded)

37-561BR 45T Class B TTA Conical End Black (Unbranded) [W]

37-578B BR 45T TTA Tank Wagon 'ICI Petrochemicals & Plastics' White

37-582D BR 45T TTA Tank Wagon 'Shell BP' Black

37-585A BR 45T TTA Tank Wagon 'Amoco' Grey

37-586A BR 45T TTA Tank Wagon 'Fina' Silver [W]

37-588 BR 45T TTA Tank Wagon 'Murco' Grey

37-589 BR 45T TTA Tank Wagon 'Charringtons' Black [W]

37-601C BR VGA Van BR Railfreight Red (Speedlink)

37-608 BR RBA Van DB Cargo

37-625A BRA Steel Carrier EWS

37-629A BRA Steel Carrier (Ex-EWS) DB Schenker [W]

37-659C 14T Tank Wagon 'National Mobil' Silver

37-661A 14T Tank Wagon 'ICI' Maroon [W]

37-680B 14T Tank Wagon 'Fina' Silver

37-682A 14T Tank Wagon 'Crossfield Chemicals' Green

37-711D 8T Cattle Wagon GWR Grey

37-712D 8T Cattle Wagon BR Bauxite (Late)

37-729C GWR 12T Ventilated Van BR Bauxite (Early)

37-731B GWR 12T Ventilated Van BR Grey (Early)

37-778D GWR 12T 'Mogo' Van GWR Grey

37-780A GWR 12T 'Mogo' Van BR Bauxite (Early) [W]

37-807 LMS 12T Planked Ventilated Van 'Express Dairy Co.' Blue

37-902B GWR 12T Shock Van Planked Ends BR Bauxite (Early) [W]

37-903B BR 12T Shock Van Corrugated Ends BR Bauxite (Early)

37-904A GWR 12T Shock Van Planked Ends GWR Grey

37-935 3 Plank Wagon SR Brown

37-937 3 Plank Wagon LMS Grey [WL]

37-951E Conflat Wagon BR Bauxite (Early) With BR Crimson BD Container

37-954A Conflat Wagon BR Bauxite (Early) With 'Pickfords' BD Container

37-975B Conflat Wagon GWR Grey With 'GWR' AF Container [W]

37-978A Conflat Wagon BR Bauxite (Early) With BR Ice Blue AF Container

38-021A CEA Covered Hopper Loadhaul [W]

38-022 CEA Covered Hopper EWS (Unbranded)

38-036 HKA Bogie Hopper 'National Power' [W]

38-037 HKA Bogie Hopper 'National Power' (De-Branded) [W]

38-038 HKA Bogie Hopper DB Schenker

38-076D SR 12T Plywood Ventilated Van BR Bauxite (Early)

38-077 SR 12T Plywood Ventilated Van BR Bauxite (Late) [W]

38-080C SR 12T 2+2 Planked Ventilated Van LMS Grey

38-081C SR 12T 2+2 Planked Ventilated Van BR Grey (Early) [W]

38-082D SR 12T 2+2 Planked Ventilated Van BR Bauxite (Early) [W]

38-083A SR 12T 2+2 Planked Ventilated Van GWR Grey

38-086B BR MKA 'Limpet' Open Wagon Grey [W]

38-087A BR MKA 'Limpet' Open Wagon Loadhaul

38-144A BR VDA Van BR Railfreight Red & Grey

38-154 BR BDA Bogie Bolster BR Bauxite (TOPS) [W]

38-157 BR BDA Bogie Bolster Loadhaul [WL]

38-163 BR 12T Ventilated Van BR Bauxite (TOPS)

38-170D BR 12T Plywood Ventilated Van BR Bauxite (Early)

38-171D BR 12T Plywood Ventilated Van BR Bauxite (Late)

38-180C  BR 12T Ventilated Plywood Fruit Van BR Bauxite (Early)

38-183A BR 12T Ventilated Plywood Fruit Van BR Bauxite (Late) [W]

38-230B BR 12T Ventilated Van Plywood Doors BR Bauxite (Early) 'ICI'

38-232 BR 12T Ventilated Van Plywood Doors BR Bauxite (TOPS) [W]

38-233 BR 12T Planked Ventilated Van with Plywood Door BR Departmental Rail Stores

38-272A BR 22T 'Presflo' Cement Wagon BR Bauxite (TOPS) 'Rugby Cement'

38-273 BR 22T 'Presflo' Cement Wagon 'Blue Circle Cement' Yellow

38-301A BR OTA Timber Wagon EWS [WL]

38-302A BR OTA Timber Wagon 'Kronospan' Blue [W] [WL]

38-345B BR FNA Nuclear Flask Wagon Flat Floor With Flask

38-347B BR FNA Nuclear Flask Wagon Sloping Floor With Flask

38-351B BR BAA Steel Carrier Wagon BR Railfreight Red [W] [WL]

38-354 BR BAA Steel Carrier Wagon BR Bauxite (TOPS) [WL]

38-375B LNER 12T Ventilated Van Planked Ends LNER Bauxite

38-381A LNER 12T Ventilated Van Corrugated Ends BR Bauxite (Late)

38-382 LNER 12T Ventilated Van Corrugated Ends BR Bauxite (Early)

38-401B SR 25T 'Pill Box' Brake Van Left-Hand Duckets BR Grey (Early) [W]

38-402B SR 25T 'Pill Box' Brake Van Right-Hand Duckets BR Bauxite (Early) [W]

38-575B LNER 10T Fish Van LNER Bauxite [W]

38-676A GWR Shunters Truck GWR Grey

38-678A GWR Shunters Truck BR Departmental Black

38-701A BR 12T Pipe Wagon BR Bauxite (Late) [W]

38-703 BR 12T Pipe Wagon BR Bauxite (TOPS)

38-752A BR 22T Tube Wagon BR Bauxite (Late) [W]

38-753 BR 22T Tube Wagon BR Bauxite (TOPS)

38-776A 20T Class B Anchor-Mounted Tank Wagon 'Shell BP' Black [W]

38-777A 20T Class B Anchor-Mounted Tank Wagon 'Esso' Black [W]

38-778 14T Class A Anchor-Mounted Tank Wagon 'National Benzole' Silver

38-779 14T Class B Anchor-Mounted Tank Wagon 'Fina' Black

38-780 14T Class B Anchor-Mounted Tank Wagon 'Regent Oil' Black

39-059 BR Mk1 TSO Tourist Second Open WCRC Maroon

39-083 BR Mk1 BSK Brake Second Corridor WCRC Maroon

39-180A BR Mk1 BG Brake Gangwayed BR InterCity (Executive)

39-184B BR Mk1 BG Brake Gangwayed Royal Mail Letters

39-190 BR Mk1 BG Brake Gangwayed Generator Van Network Rail Yellow

39-200D BR Mk1 BG Brake Gangwayed High Security Rail Express Systems

39-266 BR Mk1 RMB Restaurant Miniature Buffet WCRC Maroon

39-275A BR Mk1 GUV General Utility Van Royal Mail Letters

39-334 BR Mk2 FK First Corridor BR ScotRail

39-353 BR Mk2 TSO Tourist Second Open BR ScotRail

39-354 BR Mk2 TSO Tourist Second Open WCRC Maroon

39-425A BR Mk1 POS Post Office Sorting Van BR Blue & Grey [W]

39-430A BR Mk1 POS Post Office Sorting Van Royal Mail Letters

39-604 SE&CR 60ft Birdcage Brake Composite Lavatory SE&CR Wellington Brown

39-614 SE&CR 60ft Birdcage Composite Lavatory SE&CR Wellington Brown

39-624 SE&CR 60ft Birdcage Brake Third SE&CR Wellington Brown

39-654 BR Mk2F FO First Open Virgin Trains (Original)

39-654DC BR Mk2F FO First Open Virgin Trains (Original)

39-679 BR Mk2F TSO Tourist Second Open Virgin Trains (Original)

39-679DC BR Mk2F TSO Tourist Second Open Virgin Trains (Original)

39-680 BR Mk2F TSO Tourist Second Open ScotRail Saltire

39-680DC BR Mk2F TSO Tourist Second Open ScotRail Saltire

39-687 BR Mk2F RFB Restaurant First Buffet Virgin Trains (Original)

39-687DC BR Mk2F RFB Restaurant First Buffet Virgin Trains (Original)

39-703 BR Mk2F BSO Brake Second Open Virgin Trains (Original)

39-703DC BR Mk2F BSO Brake Second Open Virgin Trains (Original)

39-704 BR Mk2F BSO Brake Second Open ScotRail Saltire

39-704DC BR Mk2F BSO Brake Second Open ScotRail Saltire

 

Edit history

13-2-19  37-560 & 37-561 added

19-2-19 Description of 32-217A amended  (loco number changed)

21-2-19 33-438 SSA Scrap Wagon EWS weathered , 38-117 102T TEA Bogie Tank Wagon 'BRT' Grey and 38-118 102T TEA Bogie Tank Wagon 'Shell' deleted (models released)

21-2-19 Introductory text amended to over 200 models to save on future editing.

22-2-19 Edit history added

12-3-19 31-215SF added, Models expected Jan 2020 noted

Edited March 12, 2019 by Butler Henderson
See edit history above

[tomparryharry]

I'd respectfully suggest that Bachmann are hedging their bets.  They won't exactly know how things will pan out over the next year or two. Looks to me that they are keeping the situation under review, and acting accordingly.

What I would think is that if things go favourably, then Bachmann will bring on a lot of product very quickly. If not, they might be tempted to shelve certain products until more favourable times re-appear. Either way, there might be gaps which others might have thought as 'dead cert'.

As you know, I have no way of knowing the inner workings of Bachmann, and Kevin the Office Boy is keeping schtum....

Cheers,

Ian.

[YesTor]

Nevermind those 240+ items, what about these beauties...  https://www.Bachmann.co.uk/product/branchline-br-45t-class-b-tta-conical-end-black-unbranded-37-560/

My pre-order for a dozen rake dates back to 29th August 2013 !!

...and with a predicted retail price of £10.88 !!

I'm unsure as to whether I should laugh or cry 

Edited February 2, 2019 by YesTor

[Legend]

Well they did used to say the catalogue represented releases in the next 18 months , so I suppose that would include releases in 2020 although the catalogue does say Branchline 2019. I think you do what most do and treat the catalogue with a pinch of salt . 

[34theletterbetweenB&D]

I quite seriously feel that a lot of that monster list is probably no longer viable, especially items that are on their umpteenth churn, from tooling of some age. We have seen the first hint of that with the J39 being deferred (was that the term used?). It would be unsurprising to see more such unannouncements as the evidence comes in from 2019 retail performance.

[County of Yorkshire]

20 minutes ago, 34theletterbetweenB&D said:

I quite seriously feel that a lot of that monster list is probably no longer viable, especially items that are on their umpteenth churn, from tooling of some age. We have seen the first hint of that with the J39 being deferred (was that the term used?). It would be unsurprising to see more such unannouncements as the evidence comes in from 2019 retail performance.

 

Yes, and if you look in the Bachmann sales announced this last week by Rails, Kernow, Derails etc, you'll see the same models again and again; LMS crabs, LNER K3s, LMS 4MTs, BR 2-6-4Ts etc. People aren't buying them at the new - in all reality too high for the market - retail price. Coaching stock is falling into this cachet too - the Birdcage coaches in olive green have been in every bargain bin I've look at over the last 6 months. 

 

Hornby, Dapol and Oxford Rail all mange to keep prices within a reasonable range, and so Kader's notion that Chinese wage rises being the main driver of price rises doesn't wash really. 

 

CoY

[159220]

14 hours ago, Butler Henderson said:

 Given the models stated in the current Bachmann availability list as being released in 2019 https://www.Bachmann.co.uk/availability/ their are no fewer than 248 OO models which will be appearing it seems in 2020......

Sorry, but I am genuinely concerned for you if you have firstly, had the time to compile such a list and secondly, worry about it?! You must not have much else to do if you worry about such things? Please remember that model rail is a HOBBY as defined as:

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Hobby

An activity done regularly in one's leisure time for pleasure.

Leisure

Time when one is not working or occupied; free time. i.e. use of free time for enjoyment.

 

As such, so what? If you are not finding model rail enjoyable, explore other hobbies!  Here is a good list to start with: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hobbies#External_links. I have other pleasures to pursue in one's leisure time. Models shall arrive when they arrive, I might or might not have the leisure time to play with them when they do. But I won't waste my time, spending hours making a list, to get myself in a twist. 

[Butler Henderson]

On ‎02‎/‎02‎/‎2019 at 12:02, 159220 said:

Sorry, but I am genuinely concerned for you if you have firstly, had the time to compile such a list and secondly, worry about it?! You must not have much else to do if you worry about such things?

It took hardly any time for your information, I did it during the commercials in a TV program- a copy of the list, dumped into excel, sorted by end column and all rows not containing TBA deleted, all columns other than the ref no and description deleted, sorted by ref number and pasted via word into the posting. Thank you for the most insulting comment I have ever received  here, I thought it would be a useful thread to avoid the endless speculation that no doubt will arise in the coming months of what Bachmann  will be announcing in 2020 when in fact a thread on what they might release in 2023 would probably be more a realistic one.

Edited February 5, 2019 by Butler Henderson
Missing "it"

[Butler Henderson]

9 hours ago, YesTor said:

Nevermind those 240+ items, what about these beauties...  https://www.Bachmann.co.uk/product/branchline-br-45t-class-b-tta-conical-end-black-unbranded-37-560/

My pre-order for a dozen rake dates back to 29th August 2013 !!

...and with a predicted retail price of £10.88 !!

I'm unsure as to whether I should laugh or cry 

If the availability list is correct they have been and gone as it states they are "Out of Stock"

[The Johnster]

The 'monster' list is cut down to size a bit when you take out the re-issues and livery variations; it is hardly bursting at the seams with brand new models or even re-tooled ones.  Many of the older moulds are in apparently good nick and ready to go; the limiting factor is production and assembly capacity in China, and booking 'slots'.  Basically, the catalogue is too large for all the models to be produced simultaneously, and they are done in 'runs'.  This is also clever marketing as it induces in the customer a desire to 'buy now while it's available'.  

There is little wrong with re-introducing models from old tooling; Hornby can see a market for shorty clerestories originally dating from 1962, and these were a very good moulding for the time that stands up to modern scrutiny.  The problems with such elderly models are to do with lack of interior detail, crude underframe, and completely wrong bogies; AFAIK the only thing that has ever changed on these models is the bogie mounting, which has changed from rivet to plug in.  The bodyshells, with some fairly complex panelling detail, are fine. 

There does seem to me to be a lack of questioning of the concept that 'new is better' when it comes to new toolings.  It might be; a new tooling is certainly an opportunity to rectify earlier errors and improve a model, but that opportunity is not always taken, and sometimes not necessary on mouldings that are already very good.  The current Bachmann 57xx body is much the same as the Mainline one from over 30 years ago, and none the worse for it, but the mechanism is vastly superior.  A retooled model is of course touted as A Good Thing by Marketing, but the reason for the retool may be in aid of more efficient production, or accommodating different mechanisms, and nothing to do with improving the realism or level of detail on a model.  

I have 2 GWR fruit vans in BR livery, one Silurian era Mainline and one recent Bachmann.  The recent chassis is, again, a quantum improvement over the Mainline effort, but I can't detect one iota of difference in the quality of the body moulding, from a tooling which has been in more or less continuous use since god was in short trousers.  Moulds presumably wear out eventually, but seem to be able to be reconditioned and refurbished successfully enough.

Bachmann have a lot of catching up to do, both in terms of actual production, where in all fairness there have been some problems not of their fault but in all equal fairness a general feeling of tardiness, and in terms of image; red box are coming to the market very quickly with brand new models announced only a few weeks ago and the 'we'll do it eventually' reputation is doing blue box no good at all.  Perhaps the policy of early announcements needs looking at, but this is a tough call; damned if you do and damned if you don't, it's red in toof an' clore out there!

[YesTor]

1 hour ago, Butler Henderson said:

If the availability list is correct they have been and gone as it states they are "Out of Stock"

They haven't been and gone for sure.  I'm in no way stressing over it, life is too short, I guess they'll come when they come... 

Edited February 2, 2019 by YesTor

[delticfan]

In the past I’ve bought plenty of Bachmann products but to be honest I’m sick of waiting years for pre announced items to be released to be the slightest bit concerned about it. I think the way they go about it is wrong so I take no notice of what nonsense they make up just to keep modellers on the hook especially at shows. With the likes of Accurascale about now with quicker releases and far better detail for the money they need to change, let’s face it there’s better stuff out there and if someone can make it quicker and better I know where my hard earned will be heading.

[Jub45565]

5 hours ago, The Johnster said:

There does seem to me to be a lack of questioning of the concept that 'new is better' when it comes to new toolings.  It might be; a new tooling is certainly an opportunity to rectify earlier errors and improve a model, but that opportunity is not always taken, and sometimes not necessary on mouldings that are already very good.

 

Yes, a good example is the 8F.  The current Hornby model might have a nicely running chassis, finer valvegear, sprung buffers, etc - but in basic shape the firebox has been fattened to allow for the loco drive mechanism.  The old tender drive body is therefore a better starting point from a dimensionally accurate, rather than nice looking bells and whistles, perspective (it is the old body sold in the Comet kit).

 

Horses for courses of course, in that if just using out of the box and as a passing train, the newer one looks better...

[adb968008]

9 hours ago, 159220 said:

Sorry, but I am genuinely concerned for you if you have firstly, had the time to compile such a list and secondly, worry about it?! You must not have much else to do if you worry about such things? Please remember that model rail is a HOBBY as defined as:

As such, so what? If you are not finding model rail enjoyable, explore other hobbies!  Here is a good list to start with: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hobbies#External_links. I have other pleasures to pursue in one's leisure time. Models shall arrive when they arrive, I might or might not have the leisure time to play with them when they do. But I won't waste my time, spending hours making a list, to get myself in a twist. 

i think its quite unfair for anyone on this forum to question how they spend their time pursuing their hobby.

 

ive no interest in football at all, yet i am always impressed at some of the most obscure statistics recalled during games.. i dont dare question their motives.

it amazes me people will up sticks and move across the country to see a bird in someones garden. I also cant understand obsession with comic characters and dedicating hours to translating interpretations of sci-fi movies.

 

however i totally respect their enthusiasm for something they are genuinely interested in.

 

i love to delve i to very obscure nooks and crannies of the hobby, ive learned through years of ribbing from “normals” that to be questioned in such veign is due to the lack of depth in character of the person questioning me. I was recently given the hotplate by someone extremely senior in the hobby who completely misses the point of it.. which means i suspect my participation as an enthusiast will out live their business interest in it.

 

This is a hobby, if someone working or practising in this hobby lacks enthusiasm, i generally would expect their commitment, longevity is short.

 

This isnt gardening, diy or car maintenance, its a practice in education, interpretation and science engineering, manifested in model form, which often means deep level analysis.. for fun.

without such stats, there is no obscure details, without those details there is less fun, which means no hobby, and hence no industry....

or to quote a far more respectable person than myself...

Your concern I interpret as  fear..

 

“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.” Master Yoda

 

Edited February 2, 2019 by adb968008

[Legend]

Hmmm . Your entitled to pursue your hobby in anyway you want. I’m interested in the business side of the hobby as well as actually running trains , so I thought the list was very interesting. And of course it shows only a fraction of the 2019 catalogue will be delivered in 2019.  

[Jol Wilkinson]

I found the Wikipedia listing interesting, given the introduction which included:

"A hobby is an activity, interest, enthusiasm, or pastime that is undertaken for pleasure or relaxation, done during one's own time. This list includes only recognized hobbies that have been the subject of published discussions or that have organized membership associations."

 

The Indoor Hobbies section included "Model Building" and "Model Engineering" but no reference to "Model Railways". The link from Model Building begins "Model building is a hobby that involves the creation of models either from kits or from materials and components acquired by the builder."

 

However, "Rail transport modelling" appears under Collection Hobbies, perhaps an indication that this hobby is largely regarded as "collecting" rather than "creating". So the OP would seem to be of particular relevance.

 

 

[The Johnster]

Wikipedia has it about right, defining what a hobby is and giving a list of them without stating that it needs to be included in the list to be a hobby; a hobby is by this definition any activity carried out purely for pleasure and relaxation that can be defined as a specific activity and given a name.  Like many such definitions, the edges can be a bit fuzzy, from bordering on business enterprise at one extreme to obsessive behaviour at another, and subdivided within itself.   

 

My own interest is in operating a railway (a real one, only small) to 1955 rules and making it look tolerably realistic; my concern with the business practices of an RTR manufacturer is passing and trivial beyond lobbying for products I particularly want.  I don't want Bachmann to go out of business, but apart from that it's none of my business.  Good luck to 'em; there are some items in the list I'm interested in and many more I'm not.

 

But I'll enjoy and participate in a discussion like this one for what the Irish would call the feck of it, nothing wrong with a bit of froth on a Sunday avo...

[34theletterbetweenB&D]

On ‎2‎/‎2‎/‎2019 at 1:39 PM, The Johnster said:

The 'monster' list is cut down to size a bit when you take out the re-issues and livery variations; it is hardly bursting at the seams with brand new models or even re-tooled ones...

Thus my thinking that once the retail results are in on 2019's reissue/livery variants, the 'monster' list may shrink pretty rapidly to something more manageable.  Everything is made on a pull system in response to retailer orders. And retailers will not order stock that is going to sit indefinitely on the shelf, which I fear will be the fate awaiting much of the ambitiously priced reissues.

 

On ‎2‎/‎2‎/‎2019 at 1:39 PM, The Johnster said:

...There does seem to me to be a lack of questioning of the concept that 'new is better' when it comes to new toolings.  It might be; a new tooling is certainly an opportunity to rectify earlier errors and improve a model, but that opportunity is not always taken...

Not among those of us who first look at every introduction of interest - whether a new tooling that superseded a previous model, or of a completely new subject - on the basis of fidelity to prototype. The Heljan class 47 and Hornby class 30/31 were both fails, despite significantly better drives compared to all previous models of these subjects. Both having errors in appearance that meant that they did not well represent their prototype subjects. For me that is game over unless I can see a definite path to correction, and I couldn't.  (I saved twice over, didn't get the Mazak rot problems that were concealed within these malformities!)

 

I was disappointed, having a great preference for the centre motor drive, but an excellent drive is no compensation for something that looks fundamentally wrong and resists fixing. What reviews I saw passed over the errors, and focussed on burblings about the quality of finish, the detail, the features, the great mechanism performance, all irrelevant when it doesn't look like the prototype. (The most superbly executed nine pound note is always a fake...)

 

On ‎2‎/‎2‎/‎2019 at 7:08 PM, Jub45565 said:

... a good example is the 8F.  The current Hornby model might have a nicely running chassis, finer valvegear, sprung buffers, etc - but in basic shape the firebox has been fattened to allow for the loco drive mechanism...

And there's a horrible intrusion of mechanism block garnished with spinning shiny gear shaft end on view, where there should be daylight between frames and boiler underside. And that's not the end of the infelicities that Hornby visited on this model. (But it was early in Hornby's China adventure, and a few years later their Britannia would begin the superior exploitation of HO technique, almost all the old Margateness left behind.)

 

If looking at the state of the art in RTR OO for comparison at the time of introduction, Bachmann's slightly earlier WD 2-8-0 showed what could be done, with a fully concealed high grade drive inside an accurate body form, and much other mechanical finesse such as two sprung driven axles either side of the gear axle. Not a reviewer noticed that... (The first RTR OO steam loco that I felt able to show to my HO habituated continental cousins.)

[Sir TophamHatt]

On 02 February 2019 at 12:02, 159220 said:

Sorry, but I am genuinely concerned for you if you have firstly, had the time to compile such a list and secondly, worry about it?! You must not have much else to do if you worry about such things?

 

Maybe the guys hobby is working with data?

 

I kept supermarket reciepts from 2018 to compile them into a list so I could see how much I spent.  Not only that, but how many times I visited a particular supermarket, how many times I went shopping in any given month, what the most expensive month was, the lowest...

 

I wouldn't call that a hobby and while overall, I wish I didn't bother, while messing about with the data, I somewhat "enjoyed" myself   Just like I am doing with digitalizing old insurance documents, old P45s and P60s... as well a making a quick-look document so I can see reference numbers of mortgages, insurances... all boring but I like working with data.

 

Shame Bachmann aren't doing a Central Trains 158 in the initial run :/

[Butler Henderson]

6 hours ago, Sir TophamHatt said:

 

Maybe the guys hobby is working with data?

Definitely not (3476 other postings would support that). In a separate now locked thread the 2019 dated releases were posted and that poster did not get insulted.

Edited February 4, 2019 by Butler Henderson

[Mallard60022]

On ‎02‎/‎02‎/‎2019 at 12:02, 159220 said:

Sorry, but I am genuinely concerned for you if you have firstly, had the time to compile such a list and secondly, worry about it?! You must not have much else to do if you worry about such things? Please remember that model rail is a HOBBY as defined as:

As such, so what? If you are not finding model rail enjoyable, explore other hobbies!  Here is a good list to start with: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hobbies#External_links. I have other pleasures to pursue in one's leisure time. Models shall arrive when they arrive, I might or might not have the leisure time to play with them when they do. But I won't waste my time, spending hours making a list, to get myself in a twist. 

What a patronising post

Edited February 12, 2019 by Mallard60022
Highlight the patronosing terms; quite unhelpful.

[class29returns]

Anyone like to hazard a guess when deltic Meld will see light of day?

Was on the York to Edinburgh train which turned oit to be its final duty,will get the sound one if its 2020/21

[Butler Henderson]

5 hours ago, class29returns said:

Anyone like to hazard a guess when deltic Meld will see light of day?

Was on the York to Edinburgh train which turned oit to be its final duty,will get the sound one if its 2020/21

In the worse case sometime in the next 3-4 years at a guess given the 2019 production (if the list is correct) includes relivered 03s that were announced in 2016.

[JSpencer]

15 hours ago, class29returns said:

Anyone like to hazard a guess when deltic Meld will see light of day?

Was on the York to Edinburgh train which turned oit to be its final duty,will get the sound one if its 2020/21

 

The Accurascale version will probably be out long before it. Doubtless an all round better model and only slightly more expensive.

 

https://accurascale.co.uk/products/55003-meld

[tomparryharry]

On ‎05‎/‎02‎/‎2019 at 07:22, Mallard60022 said:

What a patronising post

 

The hobby takes all sorts, from many diverse backgrounds. Brian McDermott & his happy band of compilers do just that every year, and we all know how many pages of RM Web that generates.

 

Reading between the lines, perhaps we need to be alarmed by the supposed performance (or perceived lack) of Bachmann. Strange as it seems, the UK hobby needs a Bachmann-like entity in our midst. Hornby is quite resurgent at the moment, based upon no small measure that competition  is a key factor within the market. If Bachmann drastically slims down the 2020 post, that opens the doors that much wider.

 

The absolute downside is when we have a singular large UK provider of model railway products. Bachmann appears to have donned the mantle of "the only game in town".  If we return to the 1970's-1980's , Hornby donned that mantle, do you see any historical similarities? Design clever?

 

Happy modelling,

 

Ian.