Headstock Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, truffy said: That was the alternative (and better) explanation, other than it being super secret, that I read for its nickname. A Hornby TTS sound decoder. Thanks truffy / Nigel, I figured it was a sound decoder, I should have elaborated. What is specific about that particular model that would make it suitable for the Hush Hush? Edited January 22, 2020 by Headstock Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
truffy Posted January 22, 2020 Author Share Posted January 22, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Headstock said: What is specific about that particular model that would make it suitable for the Hush Hush? I'm not really 'genned up' on decoders, especially sound ones, but I understand that Hornby TTS sound decoders are fairly basic. I suspect that @Bishdurham's comment may have been tongue-in-cheek, hence the ":-)" Perhaps @Bishdurham could disabuse me of any misunderstanding. Edited January 22, 2020 by truffy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headstock Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 18 minutes ago, truffy said: I'm not really 'genned up' on decoders, especially sound ones, but I understand that Hornby TTS sound decoders are fairly basic. I suspect that @Bishdurham's comment may have been tongue-in-cheek, hence the ":-)" Perhaps @Bishdurham could disabuse me of any misunderstanding. Thanks, Nigel, I probably haven't initialised emojis, so I don't see them. The same question applies to Cock 'O' the North. What exactly does a three cylinder locomotive with Lentz rotary cam poppet valve gear and a Kylchap double blast pipe sound like? The closest would probably be the 'Duck' in preserved condition. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 5 hours ago, Bishdurham said: Maybe a Hornby R8119 would work? Very witty! (An R8119 is a TTS decoder for an English Electric Type 4 diesel...) Personally I'd have suggested R7140 OR R7239, though for verisimilitude, R8107 might be the best bet..... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishdurham Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Thanks to Hroth for explaining to those of us less familiar with the wonders of TTS decoders. I quite like the idea of the R7140 HST (Valenta)! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
truffy Posted January 31, 2020 Author Share Posted January 31, 2020 The latest update to The Engine Shed didn't give much on the development, except that research began in 2015 and the project was revived and expanded in 2019. But some very tempting cab shots! 7 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted February 1, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 1, 2020 Quite interesting to see the difference inside the cab between the 2 boiler types. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 Is that a dual control - LH / RH - regulator on the A4-styled one? Al. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted February 1, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 1, 2020 Looks like it is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 On 22/01/2020 at 17:52, Bishdurham said: I wonder what sound it made? Quick look on Youtube and the original footage was silent. Would a HP Boiler make different sounds? I suppose changing the chimney would also have some difference? The major contribution to the sound output is the release of the exhausting (low pressure, hopefully) steam through the system of an 'organ pipe' and resonating chamber which is the blast pipe, chimney and smokebox. The hoped for more efficient expansion of the steam which is a core principle behind compounding, should result in lower pressure at exhaust when running compound, and thus a quieter exhaust than from a simple loco performing equivalent work. All that said, the water tube boiler is a very different beast to fire tube, in that there is a continuous large cross section void all the way from grate to chimney aperture, and it was noted that the outer shell was sufficiently 'worked' by the induced partial vacuum that it developed air leaks. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MrTea Posted February 2, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 2, 2020 On 01/02/2020 at 06:32, Hilux5972 said: Quite interesting to see the difference inside the cab between the 2 boiler types. Yes. I thought that too. There’s definitely an opportunity for a future edition of the Engine Shed to explain more about the W1’s unique boiler and how it was driven and fired compared to a conventional locomotive. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 6 hours ago, MrTea said: ...There’s definitely an opportunity for a future edition of the Engine Shed to explain more about the W1’s unique boiler ... https://www.lner.info/locos/W/w1.php There's a picture in that article giving a good idea of the gubbins inside the external boiler casing. Very different to the usual Stephenson fire tube boiler isn't it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted February 2, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 2, 2020 If it was truly Hush Hush would it need a sound decoder at all? 2 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie K Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Keep your eyes peeled on 24th April. The latest WCML-focused edition of Hornby's Engine Shed blog says next's month's instalment will be a bumper LNER edition with updates on the W1, as well as the various Thompson Pacifics. Fingers crossed for good news! 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 (edited) Some amazing CAD images and I think a livery diagram or two of the W1 (both variants) in the April edition of TES https://www.Hornby.com/uk-en/news/the-engine-shed/east-coast-line-bumper-edition Edited April 24, 2020 by MGR Hooper! 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted April 24, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 24, 2020 Yeah I’m not sure about the darkness of the livery. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted April 24, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 24, 2020 Although I must say the dark livery does look fantastic and will look amazing set off by the silver. Will be interesting to see if they lighten it up. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre Grouping fan Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Could just be the artwork showing it as being rather dark, almost black. All models I've seen are much lighter but perhaps Hornby have more information from their research that suggests it was darker? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Should be Lead Grey, not Black. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted April 24, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 24, 2020 (edited) All the RAL 7016 examples I see online, although slightly varied between each one, look much darker than any photo of the loco I’ve ever seen. Edited April 24, 2020 by Hilux5972 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Fantastic set of works images in The Engine Shed of the W1 that I've never seen before. Also like the NEM socket on the front bogie. Could do with some of those as replacements for my A3 and A4s! to enable tender first haulage! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie K Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 (edited) A few take-aways from that very enjoyable update: So, the pre-rebuild W1 will indeed be single chimney. Phew! At last, a 1928-style non-streamlined corridor tender from Hornby. If only this was available to buy separately in LNER apple green - would be great for modelling the A1s and A3s between 1928 and 1935, like Papyrus on its 108.5mph record run. Interesting that they've got with a front coupling pocket after all. I agree that the livery looks too dark, but last month's TES update showed the artwork for the Coronation Scot coaches looking almost navy blue, so perhaps it's a known quirk of the art... Did the post-rebuild W1 really have a streamlined fairing to the top of the tender rear, around the water filler? I can't find a picture that clearly shows it. I was sure I'd read that by 1937 this was being cut away from the existing streamlined tenders as it made filling the water tank tricky, and may have even been a factor in an accident that inured a fireman. Happy to be corrected on that. Seem to remember because of the lack of tender tank fairing (plus extended front buffers and no recessed front coupling) the Hornby A4 Silver Link is only correct for a few months of the loco's life, when it had received said alterations but still carried its original livery, before a repaint into Garter Blue and fitment of cast nameplate. Good to have a bit more to get our teeth into. Great images of the 1:1 W1 in build all those years ago, too. Edited April 24, 2020 by OliverBytham typo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Islesy Posted April 24, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 24, 2020 14 minutes ago, Hilux5972 said: Yeah I’m not sure about the darkness of the livery. Comes up darker in artwork than it does on the RAL swatch, unfortunately, but we've discussed the livery at length with William Brown, whose knowledge of the subject is unsurpassed, and we're all happy that it is correct. 6 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Islesy said: Comes up darker in artwork than it does on the RAL swatch, unfortunately, but we've discussed the livery at length with William Brown, whose knowledge of the subject is unsurpassed, and we're all happy that it is correct. Hey @Islesy, The best option for Hornby is to share images of a painted pre-production W1. this should give Hornby a better chance to let people review the model before it goes into production. And yes I know you'll have the best possible man to check the colour for you. I recall you'll did this for the LMS Princess Coronation Class "Sir William Stanier FRS" where one studio pic looked to dark and in the following edition of TES you'll showed it off outside under natural light and it silenced the naysayers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted April 24, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 24, 2020 Apologies if already covered, but why the ship yard grey choice of livery anyway ? its hardly LNER standard and it wasnt a freight loco? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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