guarded Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Hunt couplings.Often admired.Never mispronounced. 1 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffnut Thorston Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, Ravenser said: >Snipped... It would be good to see these Hornby "specials" in regular postwar BR liveries . And if Hornby do make an LNER streamliner set , then those could be issued in BR liveries as they were used post war as general service vehicles in ECML express sets. The problem, I suspect, is that many of them were articulated twins: not cheap for the modeller, and needing more complicated handling. Has anyone ever done an articulated twin RTR?? Well, there was the LNER twin set made by Hornby Dublo... Not coaches, but Tri-ang Hornby made the two outer wagons from a Cartic 4 set. These were carried on a common centre bogie. Both of these went around Radius 1 type curves too... Edited December 10, 2020 by Ruffnut Thorston Added images... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clearwater Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 (edited) Different era but Hornby eurostar is articulated. Does the APT have articulation as well? Edited December 10, 2020 by Clearwater remove duplicate pic 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, Clearwater said: Different era but Hornby eurostar is articulated. Does the APT have articulation as well? Yes. The 1980s one was. There is no way the new one will be less accurate. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted December 10, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 10, 2020 22 hours ago, Ravenser said: Has anyone ever done an articulated twin RTR?? Hornby has previously made the APT, Eurostar, PKP Commuter stock (Rivarossi range) 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 On 09/12/2020 at 20:49, Ravenser said: Has anyone ever done an articulated twin RTR?? No. Apart from manufacturers where they are virtually built up kits like Golden Age and MARC Models. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9402 Fredrick Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 (edited) Sad cause the coaches are now out of pre-order stock on Hornby. Edit, nvm just saw they, along with the W1 and Standard 2MT have been removed from the website completely, which is very concerning to me honestly. Edited December 12, 2020 by 9402 Fredrick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
exet1095 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 6 hours ago, Steamport Southport said: No. Apart from manufacturers where they are virtually built up kits like Golden Age and MARC Models. Jason Hornby Dublo did LNER artic twins in tinplate, as mentioned above. Just saw a pair on Facebook marketplace... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 17 hours ago, exet1095 said: Hornby Dublo did LNER artic twins in tinplate, as mentioned above. Just saw a pair on Facebook marketplace... Tinplate toys though. I thought we were talking about modern detailed models? I took the question to be whether Hornby had made an articulated twin out of the Gresley coaches in their range. Which is virtually what the LNER did. Ian Kirk did the same with his model kits. Really you just need to alter the bogie and some minor alterations to the fittings and you've got articulated coach sets. But will people buy them? I doubt they will be cheap. Maybe you need a new bogie design which Hornby don't make, I think these are the correct type. https://www.dartcastings.co.uk/mjt/2412.php Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenser Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 5 hours ago, Steamport Southport said: Tinplate toys though. I thought we were talking about modern detailed models? I took the question to be whether Hornby had made an articulated twin out of the Gresley coaches in their range. Which is virtually what the LNER did. Ian Kirk did the same with his model kits. Really you just need to alter the bogie and some minor alterations to the fittings and you've got articulated coach sets. But will people buy them? I doubt they will be cheap. Maybe you need a new bogie design which Hornby don't make, I think these are the correct type. https://www.dartcastings.co.uk/mjt/2412.php Jason Accept I was not quite correct in thinking it hadn't been done. In terms of price constraints and handling the Hornby Dublo twin is highly relevant, though they retooled it post-war as separate carriages So an LNER articulated twin out of the streamlined sets could be done. The question would be whether you'd have a detachable 1 bogie coach, or whether - as I think was done with the Eurostar = the centre bogie splits in two . You would be into three figures per unit, and the box would be long and awkward for all Whether that would be commercially viable must be a bit marginal. It feels more like Rapido territory to me. And if any of the streamliners had a dining triplet, I think that would put the kibosh on the project. Beavertail observation saloons and twins could sell separately, though the price would be high. An articulated dining triplet would be surely uncommercial as a separate item in post=war livery 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 I think it would be doable, At a price. The main problem would be making a bogie that works as the real one does which works with "train set curves" but is visually acceptable. No much room to play with. This is part of the Quad Art. You also need to have a pair of corridor connections if you are thinking about the Streamliner sets. https://www.flickr.com/photos/fredpipes/6978870587/ Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted December 12, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 12, 2020 (edited) 16 hours ago, Steamport Southport said: I think it would be doable, At a price. The main problem would be making a bogie that works as the real one does which works with "train set curves" but is visually acceptable. No much room to play with. This is part of the Quad Art. You also need to have a pair of corridor connections if you are thinking about the Streamliner sets. https://www.flickr.com/photos/fredpipes/6978870587/ Jason ive got an Ian Kirk twin set, and hit that issue, looks nice, but tight on my corners. I resolved it by adding 2x0.5mm washers around the pins , it lifted the bogie just enough to clear the wheel flange from the coach frame on my tight corners. I think visually its passable. If ive time tomorrow i’ll post a picture. The kirk articulateds are a virtual stones throw from Hornbys suburbans, I was thinking of converting some teaks to articulated (as theres no way i’d ever replicate that paint finish)... if its 90% there its good enough for me, the other 10% can wait until if I can still retire in several decades time. Edited December 13, 2020 by adb968008 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted December 13, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 13, 2020 (edited) warning this is off topic... Here’s the comparison of the Ian Kirk kit vs the Hornby Suburban.. for dimensions, they are the same... length, width, height. both Brake and 3rd are identical above the frame. Under the frame, the significant detail appears to be down to tooling age rather than technical difference. However the under frame bars are both longer, and start further back from the non-articulated bogie. (You can see the Kirk kit uses the chassis for fixing both the articulated (held via pin) vs the non-articulated bogie. and fixing the coaches to the bogies is just about drilling holes eqidistant either side of where the centre pin would go. I did note that to compensate the added ride height, I substituted 12.9mm vs 14.1mm coach wheels... not that you’d notice..(some height is factored into the articulated bogie already). I can not vouch for accuracy of the Kirk prototype, but given its similarity to the Hornby one I’m assuming it’s accurate. So my next step is to remove a bogie from the Teaks, drill some holes, and consider a little adjustment to the under frame detail.... tbh if the kit is accurate, I’d very surprised if Hornby didn’t consider doing the same next steps as well, which is why I haven’t yet done it..I’m guessing it’s down to lack of a new tooled something to pull them. Edited December 13, 2020 by adb968008 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 Placed an order for a small rake of 6 - as listed - today. I was told, as is now common, that delivery is not anticipated until MAR2021. Al. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 15 hours ago, atom3624 said: Placed an order for a small rake of 6 - as listed - today. I was told, as is now common, that delivery is not anticipated until MAR2021. Al. I couldn’t believe the price until I realised that the coaches are Railroad! The saving is so great that I expect that the Railroad models are the old version rather than a downgraded version of the latest tooling. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Don't look very Railroad, and are supposed to have lighting ... Al. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 3 hours ago, atom3624 said: Don't look very Railroad, and are supposed to have lighting ... Al. What you’re showing there is a full fat version. Looking at the illustration on the Hornby website, I see no pressure ventilation ducting, no NEM pockets and moulded corridor connections. I can’t see three £47·99 coaches being offered for £69·99, even down-specked a bit, wonderful though that would be. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aire Head Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 14 minutes ago, No Decorum said: What you’re showing there is a full fat version. Looking at the illustration on the Hornby website, I see no pressure ventilation ducting, no NEM pockets and moulded corridor connections. I can’t see three £47·99 coaches being offered for £69·99, even down-specked a bit, wonderful though that would be. I'm pretty sure what you have found is the old old Hornby "LMS" coaches. Neither are a good example of an actual LMS coach but they have been dressed up in a variety of different liveries for many many years now. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Aire Head said: I'm pretty sure what you have found is the old old Hornby "LMS" coaches. Neither are a good example of an actual LMS coach but they have been dressed up in a variety of different liveries for many many years now. Exactly my point. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 One of the updates - on Hattons' pages https://www.hattons.co.uk/newsdetail.aspx?id=671 Al. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 6 hours ago, No Decorum said: I couldn’t believe the price until I realised that the coaches are Railroad! The saving is so great that I expect that the Railroad models are the old version rather than a downgraded version of the latest tooling. The full fat ones were on the website until a couple of days ago then disappeared.... Now back again! https://www.Hornby.com/uk-en/catalogsearch/result/?q=coronation Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 New coaches looked good on Signalbox. Only thing which showed up was perhaps the zoom exaggerating, but the moulding of the 'Art Deco' table lamps didn't look the best. Loving the sprung buffers and lamps on the Hornby higher fat coaches. Al. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 2 hours ago, atom3624 said: New coaches looked good on Signalbox. Only thing which showed up was perhaps the zoom exaggerating, but the moulding of the 'Art Deco' table lamps didn't look the best. Loving the sprung buffers and lamps on the Hornby higher fat coaches. Al. Shouldn't be much of an issue with normal viewing distances. As you said it was zoomed in quite a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maico Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Do these come with lights fitted? Hatton's say they do but the Hornby site doesn't mention them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, maico said: Do these come with lights fitted? Hatton's say they do but the Hornby site doesn't mention them. I remember reading that Hornby are working on the lighting to make it realistic, ie. not too bright. I can't remember where I saw that though. I guess we will just have to wait for a future Engine Shed to see the next stage of development. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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