darrel Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 As the 54 new trains for HS2 don't tilt. Journey time will be longer on the WCML. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 1 minute ago, adb968008 said: And theres no plan to cut back Curzon street, and build 10000 flats on it, as at Euston ? Nothing announced, or contained in the DafT document published this afternoon. What are we to make of the authors of this fiction? Clueless or what? . 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium DavidLong Posted October 4, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 4, 2023 39 minutes ago, APOLLO said: https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/government-pledges-extend-metrolink-line-27842632 Clueless !! Brit15 Just noticed that map has the Port Road on it! Dream on . . . David 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grovenor Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 8 minutes ago, Ron Ron Ron said: Ironically, Euston is now being cut down to 6 platforms to cater for 9 tph to Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool and Scotland. On Shinkansen turn round times 4 trains per hour per platform is do-able so 6 platforms should be plenty for the 18 tph originally planned for, the 11 then 10 platforms were very wasteful. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, darrel said: As the 54 new trains for HS2 don't tilt. Journey time will be longer on the WCML. Journey times will only be marginally slower on the affected sections of the WCML. It's a non-issue as it'll be more than compensated by the length of the journey that'll be on the new, faster HS2 line, south of Handacre. . Edited October 4, 2023 by Ron Ron Ron 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted October 4, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 4, 2023 1 minute ago, Ron Ron Ron said: Nothing announced, or contained in the DafT document published this afternoon. What are we to make of the authors of this fiction? Clueless or what? . Maybe they dont know themselves… At the start of this week, I suspect they thought they had until November to figure it out… This web page has evolved at least 3 times today… some web editors on overtime. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ryde-on-time Posted October 4, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 4, 2023 Our MP who’s on the transport select committee has waded into the HS2 arguments (a dare not comment further!) https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-67006130 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley Melrose Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Wait until the cancellation charges start to appear and see how little of the £36 billion is available for these uncosted, unplanned altrenative expenditures. When Hancock reorganised Public Health England to avoid being crucified when the COVID enquiry* eventually took place, the reorganised staff were re-located to new offices. One of my daughters was involved in the financial management of all this and she found that they were still contracted to pay the leases on the now unoccupied offices as well as paying for the newly leased replacement offices. It made a big hole in the imagined savings. I'm pretty sure the same idiocy will be on display on this decision before long. Stan * He'll be crucufied anyway, if there's any justice. 5 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 4 minutes ago, Ryde-on-time said: Our MP who’s on the transport select committee has waded into the HS2 arguments (a dare not comment further!) https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-67006130 This complete buffoon was spouting nonsense all over the TV, last weekend. If he's repeated it again today, assuming that's not another BBC rehash of a few days old story, then he wasn't listening to his bosses' speech today. HS2 will go to Euston as planned. . 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Brit15 2 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Nobody is challenging the narrative that not only was the cost of HS2 running away, massively over the original budget, but was dogged by delay after delay. Has anyone pointed out that most of the delay, has been as a direct result of various government interventions, including reviews and enquiries, over the last 10 years. The original Euston plan was scrapped as being too ambitious and unaffordable. Then after several years, the resulting full Euston design was ditched at a reputed cost of £100m down the drain, because the Treasury said it was too expensive. The latest design introduced more delay and was going to end up costing even more. That too is now in the dustbin. Post Covid, they deliberately slowed down the programme, extending the timeline to completion of later stages. Then again, we had the 2 year "pause" announced, only a few months ago, putting the completion date to Manchester (as was) back to 2040-2042. Various factors and miscalculations are said to have all contributed to the doubling and possible trebling of the expected total cost of HS2. I wonder if we'll ever learn how much of that was down to government and treasury meddling and delaying tactics? . 4 9 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Jeremy Cumberland Posted October 4, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 4, 2023 20 minutes ago, DavidLong said: Just noticed that map has the Port Road on it! Dream on . . . David From https://www.gov.uk/government/news/boost-for-scotland-and-uk-wide-transport-connectivity: Quote Scotland will benefit from funding to solve the pinch points on the A75 between Gretna and Stranraer, providing better links between the Cairnryan ferry terminals serving Northern Ireland and southwest Scotland – recognising the importance of east-west connectivity within the UK. That's the A75, not the Port Road. No rail spending at all in Scotland. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 6 minutes ago, Jeremy Cumberland said: From https://www.gov.uk/government/news/boost-for-scotland-and-uk-wide-transport-connectivity: That's the A75, not the Port Road. No rail spending at all in Scotland. That's now devolved to Scotland isn't it? . 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium DavidLong Posted October 4, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 4, 2023 8 minutes ago, Jeremy Cumberland said: From https://www.gov.uk/government/news/boost-for-scotland-and-uk-wide-transport-connectivity: That's the A75, not the Port Road. No rail spending at all in Scotland. Thanks. At least that has an element of sense to it! David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted October 4, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 4, 2023 10 minutes ago, Jeremy Cumberland said: From https://www.gov.uk/government/news/boost-for-scotland-and-uk-wide-transport-connectivity: That's the A75, not the Port Road. No rail spending at all in Scotland. that’s because it’s the Scottish Govt that’s responsible for Rail spending 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Jeremy Cumberland Posted October 4, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, Ron Ron Ron said: That's now devolved to Scotland isn't it? . I've no idea, but I am sure that the people of Scotland will be delighted that instead of being able to get from Glasgow and Edinburgh to London a little quicker by train, Dumfries and Galloway will get more lorries travelling between England and Northern Ireland. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoingUnderground Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 2 hours ago, adb968008 said: Now steam on High Speed 2 I could be convinced to ride behind…but i’m still awaiting steam on HS1… Who said anything about steam? We need somewhere to run retired AC locos and EMUs. Electrics should get some sort of a look in. Even better if it could be switched to 1500V DC so that 27000 Electra and 26010 could come out to play as well. The LT Museum has done several trips with its '38 Stock this year, Acton Town to Uxbridge, Acton Town to Terminal 4, and Harrow to Amersham (can' t remember if they included Watford and the North Curve for Watford to Ricky, (sorry Rickmansworth for those not familiar with that neck of the woods). Mind you, I can't see the LT museum sticking a panto on the roof and transformers in the '38 Stock, or the MetroVic Sarah Suddons, or the hopefully restored 4 car Q Stock set when that is completed in a few years time. Laying 3rd & 4th rail for them might be a tad expensive and have the elf an safty polis up in arms. Still when Euston has become home to all stations to Manchester they'll need to do something with the DC lines to Harrow & Wealdstone. I'll get my hat & coat... 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Also from today's story time......... Just as with the North, we will reconnect communities by reopening closed Beeching lines. We will reopen the Ivanhoe Line between Leicester and Burton, connecting nearly 2 million people across South Derbyshire and North West Leicestershire. We will also reopen the Oswestry-Gobowen line, with a new stop at Park Hall; build a new station in Meir (Stoke) on the existing Crewe-Derby line; and reopen the disused Barrow Hill and Stoke- Leek lines. Angling for the nostalgic, train enthusiast, "grey vote" ? No mention of steam trains to go with it though. . 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 (edited) Full list of all the UK projects now going ahead with the £36bn meant for HS2 https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1820116/hs2-cancelled-transport-projects Includes what the Beatles were complaining about in Blackburn many years ago !!! £3.3bn long-term road resurfacing fund for North to fix potholes I read the news today, oh boy Four thousand holes in Blackburn, Lancashire And though the holes were rather small They had to count them all Now they know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall Brit15 Edited October 4, 2023 by APOLLO 1 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoingUnderground Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 And why don't the councils currently have the funds to fix potholes, or do much else come to that......... Take the money from them and then expect a pat on the back for giving some of it back to them......... Talk about having your cake and eating it!!!!!! Sorry it's politics, but HS2 is now all about politics and hoovering up votes, not improving the UK's public transport infrastructure. 1 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ramblin Rich Posted October 4, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 4, 2023 8 minutes ago, Ron Ron Ron said: Also from today's story time . 8 minutes ago, Ron Ron Ron said: We will also reopen the Oswestry-Gobowen line, with a new stop at Park Hall; build a new station in Meir (Stoke) on the existing Crewe-Derby line; and reopen the disused Barrow Hill and Stoke- Leek lines. That includes the rather hairy long-disused level crossing on the A5! A5 https://maps.app.goo.gl/zrwG4cuQmgTDy7YW9 I doubt that could be made as a regular use feature, surely needs a bridge to be viable? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Grovenor said: ........Shinkansen turn round times 4 trains per hour per platform is do-able so 6 platforms should be plenty for the 18 tph originally planned for, the 11 then 10 platforms were very wasteful. The issue with reducing Euston to only 6 platforms and hemming it in, with a large over site development, there will never be any capacity for expansion. They are only providing terminus capacity for opening day. HS2 and the stations were meant to provide capacity to last well into the later parts of this century. Maybe they're anticipating that in the future, we'll be confined to within 15 minutes from our allotted spot, with robot enforcers keeping us there. . 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted October 4, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Ron Ron Ron said: Are you are forgetting the tram link? Plus, bus routes are planned to be remodelled to serve the HS2 station. . No I didn't mention it as Jeremy had already done so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roythebus1 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 So much mention of £37bn being "saved", odd as that is the same sort of amount that was spaffed against the wall during the covid crises. If this amount is being "saved" over a construction period of say 20 years, that's only £2bn a year for the next 20 years. At the rate it's taken to get HS2 done or undone, the proposed Ricky-Watford Junction link of a mile of new track and a bridge has taken from 1973 to now to get started then delayed, how much hope is there for any further rail improvements in our lifetimes? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted October 4, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 4, 2023 Spotted this in the Daily Express link on the projects: Scotland Reducing congestion for the communities of Ashington, Felton, Alnwick, and Amble. Looks like Rishis giving Northumberland to Scotland🙂 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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