black and decker boy Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Confirmed (well on BBC), protest rejected and result stands. max wins Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Collier Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Just had the ruling read out on Sky. So the rules are the rules unless the race director decides otherwise. Total farce. 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted December 12, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, Gareth Collier said: So rules are just a suggestion then. FIA couldn't admit they got it wrong. A dark day for F1. At the end of the day, the real loser is the FIA/F1. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crisis Rail Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 1 minute ago, 37114 said: Horner apparently saying Max is confirmed as Champion... Well - there you have it at least they've gone through the motions - it'll give next season a bit of Zip which is of course music to the FIA's ears. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cary hill Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 What a complete joke of a "sport" F1 is with zero credibility. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Well if that’s finally that, it’s been a great season, lots of spice. Our man didn’t win but how excited are we all going to be to see 2 Brits climb into the Mercs in March to take the fight back to Max. who knows, it could be a 3 or 4 way fight next year though Max & Lewis have simply been on another level all year and it’s up to the others to rise to fight them 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crisis Rail Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, newbryford said: At the end of the day, the real loser is the FIA/F1. Not really. FIA/F1 = Controversy. Part of the package. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieB Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Let’s be honest, because of the way the safety car and restart were handled, it would be a hollow victory for whoever was given it. Lewis deserved the win today, but on the track rather than through shouting at the stewards. Lewis has emerged from this debacle with dignity. Masi and F1 have not. 3 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iak Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 The only way this mess can begin to get cleaned up, is for Masi to be fired. The FIA then must look at its rulebook and leave it beyond any doubt or random interpretation by anybody. Nonsense like this brings F1 into disrepute; the pinnacle of motor-sport must be exactly that - the pinnacle. It must not become a sick, insipid joke! 2 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERandBR Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 They often penalise drivers and teams for bringing the sport into disrepute and that's exactly what Masi has done here. On the BBC's live reporting page they've just asked for people to 'vote' for if they think the decision was correct or not by using the 'thumb up' or 'down' buttons. The 'thumbs down' are well in the lead at the moment! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 No-one saw this coming, here we were looking at Verstappen to take Hamilton out and there be a massive hoo-haw about docking points and then the FIA go and do this instead. And it completely takes the sting out of any complaints against RB because whilst Verstappen benefitted massively he was just in the right place at the right time when the FIA unleashed their end game. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37114 Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Mercedes going to appeal the decision.... Join us for the Winter championship; Formula Courtroom.. 3 3 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Harlequin Posted December 12, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 12, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, woodenhead said: No-one saw this coming, here we were looking at Verstappen to take Hamilton out and there be a massive hoo-haw about docking points and then the FIA go and do this instead. And it completely takes the sting out of any complaints against RB because whilst Verstappen benefitted massively he was just in the right place at the right time when the FIA unleashed their end game. Ah but did the FIA bend to RB’s pressure and engineer the end game? That’s really where the complaints are… Edited December 12, 2021 by Harlequin 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted December 12, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 12, 2021 Much as I don't like the outcome, I think Mercedes should do the graceful thing, take it on the chin and move on. I doubt Lewis would want it decided in the courtroom (I could be wrong, but he's always talked about winning on the track) and it lowers them to RBs level. One of the outcomes of all this will be MV feeling empowered about his overly aggressive driving style and his self-entitlement will be through the roof. 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted December 12, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 12, 2021 15 minutes ago, woodenhead said: And it completely takes the sting out of any complaints against RB because whilst Verstappen benefitted massively he was just in the right place at the right time when the FIA unleashed their end game. He wasn't "just" in the right place at the right time, it was artificially engineered for him to be there by ignoring the rulebook on safety car restarts because they wanted the spectacle of a 1 lap decider. 1 7 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, 57xx said: Much as I don't like the outcome, I think Mercedes should do the graceful thing, take it on the chin and move on. I doubt Lewis would want it decided in the courtroom (I could be wrong, but he's always talked about winning on the track) and it lowers them to RBs level. One of the outcomes of all this will be MV feeling empowered about his overly aggressive driving style and his self-entitlement will be through the roof. You’d normally want to see him driving a lame duck next season but that would deprive us of the racing. MV shouldn’t be champion based on 57 of todays laps but I agree, the result should now stand as to win in 3 months in a court room in Switzerland seems wrong. By all means challenge FIA over the rules & implementation but let the result stand. Ham still has the fire to fight back and hopefully George will be a better wingman than the lacklustre Bottas. 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Jonboy Posted December 12, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 12, 2021 It’s a shame, the last lap debacle is taking away from some of the highlights such as the Perez, Hamilton scrap. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Pannier Tank Posted December 12, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 12, 2021 Mercedes lodge an appeal https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/formula1/54911288?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=61b650b6531c2c4733360c53%26Mercedes lodge intention to appeal%262021-12-12T19%3A42%3A46.855Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:3d13260f-f950-48e6-97f7-2519e5df7159&pinned_post_asset_id=61b650b6531c2c4733360c53&pinned_post_type=share 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
didcot Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Massi needs to go. Absolute joke. Allowing RB to bargain in the last race was disgraceful. RB and MV have been allowed to get away with all sorts of bad behaviour this year. The constant whinging and finger pointing has been unbelievable. Let's not forget RB had an illegal wing at the start of the year, but had "time" to replace it. It should have been there and then. The rules on a restart are black and white. Yet it seems the FIA can make it up as they go. No other sport has this kind of woolly rules or governing body that can change the outcome of an event on a whim. Total let down for the fans. 1 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgeconna Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 40 minutes ago, 37114 said: Mercedes going to appeal the decision.... Join us for the Winter championship; Formula Courtroom.. Sorted I believe MV has it. Proper order too. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Geep7 Posted December 12, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 12, 2021 (edited) I think the appeal now shouldn't be about the race result, what's happened on the track is what happened and the stewards have made their decision (rightly or wrongly). What it should be about now is whether the decision made by the race director unduly influenced the race result, and whether that decision was influenced by any other parties..... Edited December 12, 2021 by Geep7 2 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERandBR Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Geep7 said: I think the appeal now shouldn't be about the race result, what's happened on the track is what happened and the stewards have made their decision (rightly or wrongly). What it should be about now is whether the decision made by the race director unduly influenced the race result. Or has the decisions taken by the Race Director brought the sport into disrepute? 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, LNERandBR said: Or has the decisions taken by the Race Director brought the sport into disrepute? Does he 3 points on his license or a £25k fine? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Norris: race director’s lapped cars decision ‘was for TV’. https://www.racefans.net/2021/12/12/norris-race-directors-lapped-cars-decision-was-for-tv/ 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Geep7 Posted December 12, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 12, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, LNERandBR said: Or has the decisions taken by the Race Director brought the sport into disrepute? Exactly, that as well.... I said it when Max pitted for the hards, if he manages to catch and pass Lewis, then fair play to Max. If all the lapped cars had been allowed to pass, and then Max caught and passed Lewis, then I'd have been unhappy, but it would have been a correct result, or if the lapped cars had been left and Max had won, I'd be happy. The fact the race director decided to make his own interpretation of the rules on the most important decision of the season it what the problem is. Edited December 12, 2021 by Geep7 Correction of Max's tire change 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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