RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted September 25, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 25, 2010 It was Bob that sent me the Hawksworth. Go for HMRS Methfix if you can get them. Much easier to line up that Pressfix and they dont go a sticky over time. Modelmaster also offer coach transfers of the waterslide type. More thanks due Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 The coach formations I've got (c.1930 and 1938) both show it as alternating LNER and GWR stock. Adrian In the Summer 1954 NER carriage workings, the York-Swansea train alternated between NER and WR stock the basic formation being BTK, CK, Restaurant (WR)/RB (NER), 2 TK, CK, BTK. Strengthened by an extra 3 TK on Fridays and Saturdays when the train ran through to/from Newcastle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekEm8 Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 oOOO Now you've got me thinking Coach... Any get to Liverpool or North of the border he asks as his credit card runs away and hides Ian, Plenty of Eric Treacy photos of GW through coaches at the front of trains coming out of Liverpool. Plenty of other Pics in Manchester (London Road/Piccadilly) and the previously mentioned through coaches Glasgow - West of England that were detached at Crewe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted September 25, 2010 Share Posted September 25, 2010 Anyone know when the other blood and custards are due out? The corridor third for instance. I'm tempted to run one in GW double waist livery with BR markings - when they eventually come out, but I'm glad I can avoid the dowdy maroon ones! Glad to watch the YouTube Rob. I see you have got the Hawksworth together at the front of the train so that only one corridor adapter is required. A list here earlier suggested possible arrival of R4404 (blood and custard full brake) and R4405 (blood and custard corridor 3rd) on 20 Sept. but R4408 (bck) arrived earlier than the same list's 'possible' arrival on 27 Sept. The other blood and custard carriages, R4406 brake third and R4407 composite, were listed at 30 Sept. Like you I wait with anticipation. Thanks for looking at the video clip I made, a pleasure. The mixtures of carriages in the 1950s and 60s certainly was interesting, here in NZ at holiday times with extra mostly steam expresses we used all kinds of 'occasional' old main line stock and suburban carriage stock to augment regular trains, with often old 1st class 'provincial' (that is, older main line) carriages which rode beautifully to be had for 2nd class fares. Carriage stocks were severely stretched at Easter and Christmas-New Year. With modelling BR I get the feeling that if it was improbable and unlikely, it probably did happen somewhere... Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 7013 Posted September 26, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 26, 2010 Saw R4404 and R4405 at Banrail 2010 today, they do look superb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iak Posted September 26, 2010 Share Posted September 26, 2010 Ian, Plenty of Eric Treacy photos of GW through coaches at the front of trains coming out of Liverpool. Plenty of other Pics in Manchester (London Road/Piccadilly) and the previously mentioned through coaches Glasgow - West of England that were detached at Crewe. Time to dig the books out of the loft then.. Sláinte B) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted September 26, 2010 Share Posted September 26, 2010 Hi Rob, the days of dragging exotic coaches out of sidings at holiday periods dissapeared in the late 1960s on BR. But it was at its best in the early postwar period when even named trains had elderly arc roof coaches added. Thanks also for the info on release dates. . As you pointed out, the need for adaptors for GW and LMS additions to trains of BR Mk1s and/or ER and SR stock would have been a considerable influence on things, quite apart from loading-gauge issues. There are a lot of DVDs of 1950s-1960s trains around now which show a lot of interesting combinations. 'Heyday of British Steam' (5 volumes) comes to mind, with S & D Fowler 2-8-0s hauling Thompson stock through Radstock, also a grimy 'Evening Star'.... I'm sure there are others. Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Garry D100 Posted September 27, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 27, 2010 Maroon corridor brake 3rd now arriving. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iak Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 Stop it Coach Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
malcolmy Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 I really hope Hornby do these in authentic GWR livery. But actually I only need one full third no 829! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 Before I dive in and respray a blood & custard into GWR/BR chocolate & cream livery of early 1949, is there any indication Hornby will eventually do this or the full GWR variant? Can't answer that Coach but the very idea of it has made me reach for Russell's 'GW Coaches Appendix #1' again.... on page 165 our man has an official Swindon shot of W7383 in double lined out chocolate & cream 'as bult in 1948'! How long would they have lasted in this livery do you think? (I'm not sure how often Swindon shopped their coaching stock in those days). A mate is bringing his Hawksworth round tomorrow, can't wait to get my sticky mitts on them! Nidge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Garry D100 Posted September 27, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 27, 2010 Before I dive in and respray a blood & custard into GWR/BR chocolate & cream livery of early 1949, is there any indication Hornby will eventually do this or the full GWR variant? I would think Hornby will do them eventually, maybe worth waiting for the xmas announcement for the 2011 range.....if you can wait that long Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidw Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 Nice work and pictures as always Larry :-) Mine arrived today so for what its worth I took some pictures along with the maroon version to compare. I am really pleased with the blood and custard version, the first for me in that livery. I was going to keep this as the odd one out and get a couple more maroon. Now thinking more B&C and use the maroon as the odd one with mk1's. I think this must be one of the best coaches that Hornby have produced so far. Oh Thompson's to the same quality please! These are good!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidw Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 Before I dive in and respray a blood & custard into GWR/BR chocolate & cream livery of early 1949, is there any indication Hornby will eventually do this or the full GWR variant? Wouldn't be surprised - this is likely to be popular. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted September 27, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 27, 2010 Before I dive in and respray a blood & custard into GWR/BR chocolate & cream livery of early 1949, is there any indication Hornby will eventually do this or the full GWR variant? Simon Kohler 'expressed an interest' in that livery (not sure whether full GWR version or very early BR?) once he learnt the coaches actually wore those colours. So you might get an answer in your Christmas box - it you're prepared to wait that long (and if he's finished his love affair with the Southern) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iak Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 Now the early variant would be nice................. Is it just me or are Hornby just getting better and better? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted September 27, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 27, 2010 Now the early variant would be nice................. Is it just me or are Hornby just getting better and better? We might have an answer to that when the BR black 28XX appears Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigwelsh Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 Can't answer that Coach but the very idea of it has made me reach for Russell's 'GW Coaches Appendix #1' again.... on page 165 our man has an official Swindon shot of W7383 in double lined out chocolate & cream 'as bult in 1948'! How long would they have lasted in this livery do you think? (I'm not sure how often Swindon shopped their coaching stock in those days). A mate is bringing his Hawksworth round tomorrow, can't wait to get my sticky mitts on them! Nidge The two royal duties ones lasted long enough to go straight to BR choc cream.. chrisf is the man with the details there though, i'd had too big a hangover to remember the numbers of them i'm afraid! I'd be amazed if Hornby didn't do the GWR livery as no doubt many will buy them anyway for choc box layouts without any worries about them being a post war design.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted September 27, 2010 Share Posted September 27, 2010 I suspect those built and outshopped between 1948 and May 1949 were in chocolate and cream double waist livery with W prefix numbers, and those after this date in bood & custard. If we give a coach five years between painting, the choc & cream liveries would last until 1954 and possibly longer if Swindon was still busy with a backlog of other work. Thanks Larry. Time to dig out a few more books and have a good old perusal methinks... a nice plain black Grange with early BR crest and red backed plate, hauling some choc & cream / blood & custard Hawksworths and the odd Syphon suddenly seems very appealing B) Craig - I wasn't aware of the Royal pair, cheers for the tip. Nidge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iak Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 We might have an answer to that when the BR black 28XX appears Agreed mon... I'm no GW modeller but if they nail this I can see a LOT of happy people Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted September 28, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 28, 2010 Thanks Larry. Time to dig out a few more books and have a good old perusal methinks... a nice plain black Grange with early BR crest and red backed plate, hauling some choc & cream / blood & custard Hawksworths and the odd Syphon suddenly seems very appealing B) Nidge Or you could be absolutely prototypical and have a 'Modified Hall' in full GW livery as one survived in that condition until the mid 1950s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted September 28, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 28, 2010 I've been looking through my Ian Allan colour albums and found on page 75 of "Working Steam, Collett and Hawksworth Halls" a photo of a Hawksworth BSK in maroon. The curtains do stand out and are a sort of cream colour, so maybe Hornby are not too far off the mark with theirs. The main difference is that they are tied back much further, so less obtrusive than in the models. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iak Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 Ian, Plenty of Eric Treacy photos of GW through coaches at the front of trains coming out of Liverpool. Plenty of other Pics in Manchester (London Road/Piccadilly) and the previously mentioned through coaches Glasgow - West of England that were detached at Crewe. Had a look last night and what a lovely load of examples. Even some in North Wales and other places I cannae remember just now.... Verily these Hawksworths are looking very much a buy methinks Moving on a bit - who is first to take a BG and give it a coat of BR Blue then? That is one variant I think Hornby will miss off... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigwelsh Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 Moving on a bit - who is first to take a BG and give it a coat of BR Blue then? That is one variant I think Hornby will miss off... I know of someone on here wanting to do that. Don't need the corridor connectors in some cases then as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Garry D100 Posted September 28, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 28, 2010 Maroon full brake now showing in stock at some retailers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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