Formula 1 2022

[newbryford]

3 hours ago, RedgateModels said:

Well, George got a 5 second last race ....

 

But George wasn't diving up the inside or overtaking - he was already there.

[RedgateModels]

9 minutes ago, newbryford said:

 

But George wasn't diving up the inside or overtaking - he was already there.

yes, strange that, maybe the penalty was down to the fact it was a Red Bull at the Red Bull Ring?

[SR71]

3 minutes ago, newbryford said:

 

But George wasn't diving up the inside or overtaking - he was already there.

Had he gone in full lock understeering wide by precedent he would have avoided the penalty....

 

I don't think that should be where racing is at but somehow that's where F1 is. Stick angle iron on the front wing and see who can pass like that on a level playing field.

 

 

 

[newbryford]

40 minutes ago, SR71 said:

Had he gone in full lock understeering wide by precedent he would have avoided the penalty....

 

I don't think that should be where racing is at but somehow that's where F1 is. Stick angle iron on the front wing and see who can pass like that on a level playing field.

 

 

 

 

Nah - these are F1s. 

[SR71]

1 hour ago, newbryford said:

 

Nah - these are F1s. 

As ever the lower formula gives better racing. Supers always got quicker lap times, more passes, and bigger grids than the F1's at Wimbledon. 😝

 

Message brought to you from the sunny south coast this evening;

 

I have long wondered of the current F1 (Bernie Ecclestone not BRISCA) grid would come out top in a superstox 2 heat and final race.

Edited July 13, 2022 by SR71

[Obi-Jiff Kenobi]

That sort of car might well have suited Pastor Maldonado.

[Hroth]

10 hours ago, newbryford said:

 

Nah - these are F1s. 

 

They make the halo look rather wimpy....

 

(Going by the bump-bars, its a bit of a "contact" sport?)

 

[Hobby]

Just a little bit of a contact sport, though not as much as it was!

 

Though I think the F1s would come out top these days, SR71, certainly when I started watching them back in the 70s the F2s were quicker but not now, they did some F1 vs F2 lap times a few years ago and the F1s were now faster. The F1 chassis have caught up with F2s and the tyres they use are more racing than the road ones they used to use, not to mention the racing spec V8 up front!

 

If it were Hot Rods I'd have said Lewis, but with an F2/Superstox it'll be whoever learns quickest how to dispose of the car in front with the bumpers!

[Obi-Jiff Kenobi]

30 minutes ago, Hobby said:

If it were Hot Rods I'd have said Lewis, but with an F2/Superstox it'll be whoever learns quickest how to dispose of the car in front with the bumpers!

Max then!

[Hobby]

Maybe, but he'd have to be a bit more subtle about it, even in stock cars deliberate fencing isn't allowed! ;)

[SR71]

41 minutes ago, Obi-Jiff Kenobi said:

Max then!

Until last year I'd have said Kimi

 

This year I think maybe Cheko. He's got the accuracy and adaptability to adjust. I think Max would go all out in heat 1 then discover it cuts both ways and find himself in the fence thereafter. Of the now - not so - recent past I think Button, even now, would be right up there.

 

The reason I'm interested in superstox for this thought exercise rather than F1's is that it's also about momentum rather than relying on the torque. The guy who won both heats from my first pic was coming through and clearing the way with quite light taps but at the right moment to make a gap on the inside and retaining his speed. Hit too hard and you'll loose 3, 4, 5... places.

 

Sorry for those not interested in short oval. I've taken us off topic so I'll try and get us back. It doesn't look good for the Honey Badger;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/62147938

 

Any time those 'I'm staying with the team' articles come out it usually means there are strong signs are they aren't. Such as;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/62143952

[Obi-Jiff Kenobi]

47 minutes ago, Hobby said:

Maybe, but he'd have to be a bit more subtle about it, even in stock cars deliberate fencing isn't allowed! ;)

Not allowed in F1 either, but it seems to be at the stewards’ discretion whether it’s enforced, as some drivers get away with it on occasion.

[LNERandBR]

Admittedly I do like the whole 'how would they do in X discipline' debate.

 

F1 driver's are often touted as being the best drivers on the planet. However, in truth I think they are just the best at open wheel circuit racing.

 

Personally I'd like to see them all thrown into Rally Cars on some fast dirt roads in Finland and see how many end up in the trees 🤣

 

Of course, the same can most likely can be said of Driver's of other categories too. Many would flounder when given a F1 car to drive.

[great central]

2 hours ago, LNERandBR said:

Admittedly I do like the whole 'how would they do in X discipline' debate.

 

F1 driver's are often touted as being the best drivers on the planet. However, in truth I think they are just the best at open wheel circuit racing.

 

Personally I'd like to see them all thrown into Rally Cars on some fast dirt roads in Finland and see how many end up in the trees 🤣

 

Of course, the same can most likely can be said of Driver's of other categories too. Many would flounder when given a F1 car to drive.

 

Many years ago, a promoter (Mike Parker possibly?) managed to organise a couple of showcase type F1 stock car meetings at the old Wembley stadium.

There were a couple of races using tha same cars, possibly Ford Escorts, with the best drivers from, I think,  3 different short oval formulae. 

Stuart Smith, the BRISCA F1 driver won all the races, I think the Hot Rod driver was Barry Lee but I can't remember for certain.

Long time ago 

[Hobby]

It probably was Parker, it was his style, I wasn't there but I think you are right. He also set up a match race between F1 and F2 stockcars. Smithy was the F1 driver  can't remember who the F2 driver was but he was from the South West and was a top driver. That was the days of F2s using full race 1300cc engines and the F2 ran rings round the F1. The track was White City, Manchester, and was tarmac which suited the F2.

[great central]

7 minutes ago, Hobby said:

It probably was Parker, it was his style, I wasn't there but I think you are right. He also set up a match race between F1 and F2 stockcars. Smithy was the F1 driver  can't remember who the F2 driver was but he was from the South West and was a top driver. That was the days of F2s using full race 1300cc engines and the F2 ran rings round the F1. The track was White City, Manchester, and was tarmac which suited the F2.

 

Apologies for the serious thread swerve but I found this after a short Google, to round up the current discussion. 

Somewhat out of date regarding the current scene, but straightens out the story, because both Wimbledon and Arena Essex closed several years ago. 

[newbryford]

41 minutes ago, Hobby said:

It probably was Parker, it was his style, I wasn't there but I think you are right. He also set up a match race between F1 and F2 stockcars. Smithy was the F1 driver  can't remember who the F2 driver was but he was from the South West and was a top driver. That was the days of F2s using full race 1300cc engines and the F2 ran rings round the F1. The track was White City, Manchester, and was tarmac which suited the F2.

 

It was Bill Batten #667.

Edited July 14, 2022 by newbryford

[Hobby]

Trevor Redmond promoted it, Markku Alen was the Rally Driver in the match race with Smithy, Lee and Tom Pitcher (F2) all in Ford Escorts. 29 June 1974.

Edited July 14, 2022 by Hobby

[newbryford]

6 minutes ago, Hobby said:

Trevor Redmond promoted it, Markku Alen was the Rally Driver in the match race with Smithy, Lee and Tom Pitcher (F2) all in Ford Escorts. 29 June 1974.

 

Ta for that.  Tom Pitcher was 795 I think. It just seemed that all the F1 v F2 challenges were Smithy v Batten

[Hobby]

Certainly the ones I saw were, but they were in the late 70s when BB was top dog in F2. Pitcher was the reigning F2 world champion in early 1974 so the choice was logical. Smithy was 72 WC and runner up to Dave Chisholm in 73.

Edited July 14, 2022 by Hobby

[njee20]

What the hell is anyone talking about?! 🤣

[Hobby]

Formula One...

 

 

 

(Stock Cars)

 

 

 

 

Well there's nothing else happening and its more interesting than reading about Horners latest moan!!

[Pete the Elaner]

On 13/07/2022 at 20:09, newbryford said:

 

But George wasn't diving up the inside or overtaking - he was already there.

 

He was on the inside & slightly behind as they approached the turn. The stewards felt it was his fault.

 

On 13/07/2022 at 16:19, 298 said:

Having seen a compilation of Maxxident's trademark overtakes where his usual dive up the inside results in oversteering off the track completel on the exit, there need to be proper penalties for such moves instead of at best handing the place back.

 

I completely agree. There are some incidents where it seems like just a racing incident where maybe one could be argued to be marginally more at fault.

There are others where it is blatantly bad driving. The worst I can think of was Brazil 2021. How that never even got investigated was appalling.

A penalty needs to be a deterrent. Drivers need to know that they will lose out for a blatant shove or unnecessary discretions. My personal hate is track limits. I disagree with any argument that they need to go off unless avoiding a collision. If they can't keep their car on the track, what are they doing in F1? They are clearly taking the P. It is an easy rule to get right too. Time penalties for this are poor too. Most tracks can easily cope with a penalty chicane & I am sure one could even be added to Monaco if they bothered to try finding a way.

[newbryford]

2 hours ago, njee20 said:

What the hell is anyone talking about?! 🤣

 

F1s....

 

Just different ones!

 

 

[SR71]

10 hours ago, njee20 said:

What the hell is anyone talking about?! 🤣

 

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0015204

 

They don't have the series they did in the F1's which was better produced but that one gives you an idea. If you like Motorsport find your local track and go along. It is very hard to get across on film what it's like to be there.

Edited July 15, 2022 by SR71
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