Pictures of 16t minerals being unloaded.

[LNERGE]

5 hours ago, Wickham Green too said:

He could be attached to the wagon ( somehow ) on the inbound movement - but getting him back for the next wagon might be tricky !

He’d look a bit odd upside down with the wagon on the tippler

[Il Grifone]

On 23/11/2022 at 19:28, johnofwessex said:

How did things work in the rest of Europe, what were their wagons like?

 

Here's a Lima model of an example (obviously the NCB livery is a figment of someone's imagination - they were/are usually shades of brown cf bauxite):

 

https://www.hattons.co.uk/137473/lima_l303173_continental_lwb_steel_coal_wagon_ncb/stockdetail

 

The Dia.1/112 (SNCF) is typical, but were sold back to us as being too small.

 

There is also a German bogie hopper:

 

https://www.hattons.co.uk/170023/roco_66018_set_of_four_bogie_hopper_wagons_of_the_german_db_epoch_iii/stockdetail

 

Sorry for any typing errors (Ziggy decided he had to come on my lap!) and for pictures of models - Google seemed to think that's what I wanted....

Edited November 29, 2022 by Il Grifone

[Il Grifone]

On 23/11/2022 at 19:28, johnofwessex said:

How did things work in the rest of Europe, what were their wagons like?

 

Double post - first The site  told me that I can't post as it's too soon after the last one (not so) and then posted it twice! (Mysteries of the faith!)

Edited November 29, 2022 by Il Grifone

[Wickham Green too]

On 23/11/2022 at 18:28, johnofwessex said:

How did things work in the rest of Europe, what were their wagons like?

German wagons and how NOT to unload them : - 

 

 

Weißes Roß : 15/9/90

[Il Grifone]

Oops!

 

I always thought those NG transporter wagons looked rather precarious....

Edited November 29, 2022 by Il Grifone

[Wickham Green too]

.... especially with a 4-wh hopper on top - those things look top-heavy even on 4'8½'' .... I mean 1435mm.

[johnofwessex]

But presumably European mines, goods yards and coal merchants could deal with much larger, and fitted wagons than we had in the UK?

[The Stationmaster]

On 29/11/2022 at 15:53, Wickham Green too said:

.... especially with a 4-wh hopper on top - those things look top-heavy even on 4'8½'' .... I mean 1435mm.

They look even better with a bogie wagon loaded with timber (Zillertalban 2003) -

 

[Wickham Green too]

Personally, I think the hopper wins in the instability stakes : -

 

Freital Hainsberg : 12/2/95

[41516]

On 20/11/2022 at 10:25, Hal Nail said:

Related question and I appreciate irrlevant very quickly, but were the insides painted when new or after a refurb?

 

(16t, not wooden ones)

 

On 20/11/2022 at 10:33, Wickham Green too said:

Never seen an answer to that in print - but looking at 'The 4mm Coal wagon', there are a handful of high-angle photos that seem to show a uniform interior colour darker that the grey outside

 

On 20/11/2022 at 15:53, Cwmtwrch said:

 

Some years ago, I tried to answer this question, with a complete lack of success. Lots of suggestions, but no conclusive evidence. The suggestions included both yes and no, production from Corten steel, and others.

 

Digging around in my screenshots for threads elsewhere, I'd fogotton I'd clipped this from Coal Trucks (1958) by British Pathe on Youtube.

 

Body colour in this case?

 

 

 

Edit - Near the end of Lot 2915, built by Met Cam 1957, so brand new.

 

Edited November 30, 2022 by 41516

[Sabato]

This is one of Ted Wests pics.

 

Probably not a good example as it was likely to have been given a paint refresh for the exhibition, but it appears the inferior may have been painted black or very dark grey.

 

Incidentally other wagons also photographed by Ted at that event shows timber vehicle interiors unpainted and "Green Arrow " types (Dia. 1/041 & 1/046) interiors painted same as exterior. 

[bécasse]

5 minutes ago, Sabato said:

Probably not a good example as it was likely to have been given a paint refresh for the exhibition, but it appears the inferior may have been painted black or very dark grey.

 

Bituminous black as I have already mentioned. It's use was soon discontinued (as the photo of the 1957 wagon shows) so it was presumably found that in practice it wasn't worth either the effort or the extra expense. The external body colour was used instead.

[KeithMacdonald]

59 minutes ago, 41516 said:

Digging around in my screenshots for threads elsewhere, I'd fogotton I'd clipped this from Coal Trucks (1958) by British Pathe on Youtube.

 

Linked version

 

 

[Il Grifone]

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Some sort of paint would have been essential, but how long it lasted under the onslaught of the load is debatable.